I stumbled across this link, which appears to be on an old section of the
NetObjects website.
http://www.netobjects.com/workbench/spamfree.html
Does anyone have a clue whether this would work in NOF 10?
Thanks.
RayC
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I stumbled across this link, which appears to be on an old section of the
NetObjects website.
http://www.netobjects.com/workbench/spamfree.html
Does anyone have a clue whether this would work in NOF 10?
Thanks.
RayC
use this instead, takes only a simple ctrl+t to implement
http://www.web1marketing.com/resourc...il-encoder.htm
--
Anton Strauss
www.videoproductions.com.au
"RayC" <campbell.reXspamX@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:f3p6p2$8sa2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> I stumbled across this link, which appears to be on an old section of the
> NetObjects website.
>
> http://www.netobjects.com/workbench/spamfree.html
>
> Does anyone have a clue whether this would work in NOF 10?
>
> Thanks.
>
> RayC
>
>
I prefer this http://www.bitmotion.com/products/superspamfree.asp much
better. It's a component which, when installed, automatically
obfuscates all email addresses on all sites, rather than having to do
them one by one. Set it and forget it.
Laurence
RayC wrote:
> I stumbled across this link, which appears to be on an old section of the
> NetObjects website.
>
> http://www.netobjects.com/workbench/spamfree.html
>
> Does anyone have a clue whether this would work in NOF 10?
>
> Thanks.
>
> RayC
>
>
LBA wrote:
> I prefer this http://www.bitmotion.com/products/superspamfree.asp much
> better. It's a component which, when installed, automatically
> obfuscates all email addresses on all sites, rather than having to do
> them one by one. Set it and forget it.
But control whether the component is set to be published in Publish view
every now and then. - Though I am not sure whether spam bots can't
read the code. Isn't it set in Unicode?
Peter
>
> Laurence
>
>
> RayC wrote:
>> I stumbled across this link, which appears to be on an old section of
>> the NetObjects website.
>>
>> http://www.netobjects.com/workbench/spamfree.html
>>
>> Does anyone have a clue whether this would work in NOF 10?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> RayC
>>
I thought they were ASCII numbers or something like that... and yes,
I've always presumed that it would be pretty easy bot bots to interpret
that. It surprises me that email obfuscators still claim to be
effective... but they do claim that. In reality, the best thing is not
to put any email addresses on a web site... and use forms instead.
Laurence
Peter Eisenburger wrote:
> LBA wrote:
>> I prefer this http://www.bitmotion.com/products/superspamfree.asp much
>> better. It's a component which, when installed, automatically
>> obfuscates all email addresses on all sites, rather than having to do
>> them one by one. Set it and forget it.
>
> But control whether the component is set to be published in Publish view
> every now and then. - Though I am not sure whether spam bots can't read
> the code. Isn't it set in Unicode?
>
> Peter
>
>>
>> Laurence
>>
>>
>> RayC wrote:
>>> I stumbled across this link, which appears to be on an old section of
>>> the NetObjects website.
>>>
>>> http://www.netobjects.com/workbench/spamfree.html
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a clue whether this would work in NOF 10?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> RayC
>>>
LBA wrote:
> I thought they were ASCII numbers or something like that... and yes,
> I've always presumed that it would be pretty easy bot bots to interpret
> that. It surprises me that email obfuscators still claim to be
> effective... but they do claim that. In reality, the best thing is not
> to put any email addresses on a web site... and use forms instead.
>
> Laurence
Hi Laurence,
Yes, the Bitmotion SpamFree component (which still works fine under NOF
10 as long as you install it on NOF 7 and manually copy it to the NOF 10
...\components folder) obfuscates all e-mail addresses in the site by
substituting ANSI codes for the characters in the address itself and the
linked "mailto:" address.
And you're right, that's not enough anti-spam protection these days...
The bad news is that forms can easily be spammed too. My site`s original
"contact us" form was getting hit by a trickle that grew to more than
100 spams a month when I finally got fed up and redesigned the form.
I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I also
enclose in the form`s CFMail output). Since then, I haven't had a single
spam from it.
I also haven't had a single nibble from a maybe web dev customer from it
either, but that's obviously a different problem :-(.
--
Cheers,
Karl
http://www.k-c-p.com/
Karl Strieby wrote:
> I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
> display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I also
> enclose in the form`s CFMail output).
Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem. Could
you explain your solution a little further? I've played with Captcha
but I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better way. Damn
spammers.
Laurence
..
I don't allow any html to be processed (i.e. throw an error if < is present).
<cfif '#Form.description#' CONTAINS "<">
<h5">HTML is not allowed <a href="javascript:history.back()">re-try</a>.</h5>
<cfabort>
</cfif>
Spamers want to send you a URL so this stops a lot of BS emails
Mike
LBA said:
| Karl Strieby wrote:
|| I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
|| display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I
|| also enclose in the form`s CFMail output).
|
| Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem.
| Could you explain your solution a little further? I've played with
| Captcha but I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better
| way. Damn spammers.
|
| Laurence
Interesting. I wonder if I can modify fommailer.php to do that or if I
need to write my own form mail script. I'll give the former a try and
see if that works.
Laurence
gotFusion.com wrote:
> .
> I don't allow any html to be processed (i.e. throw an error if < is present).
>
> <cfif '#Form.description#' CONTAINS "<">
> <h5">HTML is not allowed <a href="javascript:history.back()">re-try</a>.</h5>
> <cfabort>
> </cfif>
>
> Spamers want to send you a URL so this stops a lot of BS emails
>
> Mike
>
>
> LBA said:
>
> | Karl Strieby wrote:
> || I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
> || display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I
> || also enclose in the form`s CFMail output).
> |
> | Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem.
> | Could you explain your solution a little further? I've played with
> | Captcha but I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better
> | way. Damn spammers.
> |
> | Laurence
>
>
if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since the email
address is not visible in the form html page and is only in the script which
is not visible to the spammer
--
Anton Strauss
www.videoproductions.com.au
"LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
news:f3qn8g$ct77@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Interesting. I wonder if I can modify fommailer.php to do that or if I
> need to write my own form mail script. I'll give the former a try and
> see if that works.
>
> Laurence
>
>
> gotFusion.com wrote:
> > .
> > I don't allow any html to be processed (i.e. throw an error if < is
present).
> >
> > <cfif '#Form.description#' CONTAINS "<">
> > <h5">HTML is not allowed <a
href="javascript:history.back()">re-try</a>.</h5>
> > <cfabort>
> > </cfif>
> >
> > Spamers want to send you a URL so this stops a lot of BS emails
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > LBA said:
> >
> > | Karl Strieby wrote:
> > || I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
> > || display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I
> > || also enclose in the form`s CFMail output).
> > |
> > | Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem.
> > | Could you explain your solution a little further? I've played with
> > | Captcha but I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better
> > | way. Damn spammers.
> > |
> > | Laurence
> >
> >
Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you haven't run
into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out how to identify
common patterns of form tags, such as Name and Email and Comments and
Submit, and are now able to submit form data. That explains why
preventative measures like "captcha" are showing up more and more... and
why "captcha" images are getting even more obscure looking, as the bots
even try to figure out how to read that. Damn spammers.
Laurence
Anton Strauss wrote:
> if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since the email
> address is not visible in the form html page and is only in the script which
> is not visible to the spammer
>
don't worry, the day of reckoning will come for spammers
--
Anton Strauss
www.videoproductions.com.au
"LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
news:f3rr30$ib41@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you haven't run
> into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out how to identify
> common patterns of form tags, such as Name and Email and Comments and
> Submit, and are now able to submit form data. That explains why
> preventative measures like "captcha" are showing up more and more... and
> why "captcha" images are getting even more obscure looking, as the bots
> even try to figure out how to read that. Damn spammers.
>
> Laurence
>
>
> Anton Strauss wrote:
> > if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since the
> > address is not visible in the form html page and is only in the script
which
> > is not visible to the spammer
> >
..
Another thing I do is that I use unconventional form names which are not easily identified.
If you use easy form name titles such as email, name, url, etc... expect to get whacked by the bots. Try keeping the Fusion defaults of FormsEditField1, FormsComboBox1, SmackMe (instead of submit), etc....
It does not matter WHAT you call the fields as long as you remember what they are and can associate them with plain text labels when you process the form to email and sent the results
Mike
LBA said:
| Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you
| haven't run into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out
| how to identify common patterns of form tags, such as Name and
| Email and Comments and Submit, and are now able to submit form
| data. That explains why preventative measures like "captcha" are
| showing up more and more... and why "captcha" images are getting
| even more obscure looking, as the bots even try to figure out how
| to read that. Damn spammers.
|
| Laurence
|
|
| Anton Strauss wrote:
|| if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since
|| the email address is not visible in the form html page and is only
|| in the script which is not visible to the spammer
Yuh, that's a good point... but I suppose it would only work if you
write your own script.... and that way, your script replaces the
non-standard labels with something that makes sense when the client
receives the email. Using formmailer, that couldn't be done. Maybe
I'll suggest that to Dave (formmailer author.) Maybe it wold work to
use modified labels like "CustomerName" or something like that.
Laurence
gotFusion.com wrote:
> .
> Another thing I do is that I use unconventional form names which are not easily identified.
>
> If you use easy form name titles such as email, name, url, etc... expect to get whacked by the bots. Try keeping the Fusion defaults of FormsEditField1, FormsComboBox1, SmackMe (instead of submit), etc....
>
> It does not matter WHAT you call the fields as long as you remember what they are and can associate them with plain text labels when you process the form to email and sent the results
>
> Mike
>
>
> LBA said:
>
> | Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you
> | haven't run into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out
> | how to identify common patterns of form tags, such as Name and
> | Email and Comments and Submit, and are now able to submit form
> | data. That explains why preventative measures like "captcha" are
> | showing up more and more... and why "captcha" images are getting
> | even more obscure looking, as the bots even try to figure out how
> | to read that. Damn spammers.
> |
> | Laurence
> |
> |
> | Anton Strauss wrote:
> || if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since
> || the email address is not visible in the form html page and is only
> || in the script which is not visible to the spammer
>
>
Yeah, tha Last Judgement?
I certainly hope they burn in hell ( I myself designed a nice variation, ask
my wife...:)
I dont thing the items mentioned do much good anyway. To use forms is the
only way.
But then, before you realize this and you've had your e-mail address on your
webpage for a fourthnight or so...
I'm recieving cca 100 spams a day. And some of my friends keep telling me
I'm a lucky bastard.
Indeed, give me a kalashnikov and just tell me who they are!
:)
"Anton Strauss" <anton@will-not-reply.com> wrote in message
news:f3rrft$h301@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> don't worry, the day of reckoning will come for spammers
>
> --
>
>
> Anton Strauss
> www.videoproductions.com.au
>
>
>
> "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
> news:f3rr30$ib41@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you haven't run
>> into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out how to identify
>> common patterns of form tags, such as Name and Email and Comments and
>> Submit, and are now able to submit form data. That explains why
>> preventative measures like "captcha" are showing up more and more... and
>> why "captcha" images are getting even more obscure looking, as the bots
>> even try to figure out how to read that. Damn spammers.
>>
>> Laurence
>>
>>
>> Anton Strauss wrote:
>> > if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since the
>> > address is not visible in the form html page and is only in the script
> which
>> > is not visible to the spammer
>> >
>
>
LBA wrote:
> Karl Strieby wrote:
>> I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
>> display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I also
>> enclose in the form`s CFMail output).
>
> Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem. Could
> you explain your solution a little further? I've played with Captcha
> but I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better way. Damn
> spammers.
>
> Laurence
Hi Laurence,
I see you have already received some suggestions more advanced than what
I am using, but you're welcome to look at my new improved contact
form...http://www.k-c-p.com/html/NewContact.cfm
--
Cheers,
Karl
http://www.k-c-p.com/
I use the coffeecup form builder, it uses xml and when I place it in front
of my guest books I never get spammed.
Mike C
"Karl Strieby" <karlDOTstrieby@kDASHcDASHp.com> wrote in message
news:f3vvqf$1jk6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> LBA wrote:
>> Karl Strieby wrote:
>>> I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
>>> display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I also
>>> enclose in the form`s CFMail output).
>>
>> Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem. Could you
>> explain your solution a little further? I've played with Captcha but
>> I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better way. Damn
>> spammers.
>>
>> Laurence
>
> Hi Laurence,
>
> I see you have already received some suggestions more advanced than what I
> am using, but you're welcome to look at my new improved contact
> form...http://www.k-c-p.com/html/NewContact.cfm
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Karl
>
> http://www.k-c-p.com/
Mike C wrote:
> I use the coffeecup form builder, it uses xml and when I place it in front
> of my guest books I never get spammed.
>
> Mike C
>
> "Karl Strieby" <karlDOTstrieby@kDASHcDASHp.com> wrote in message
> news:f3vvqf$1jk6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> LBA wrote:
>>> Karl Strieby wrote:
>>>> I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
>>>> display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I also
>>>> enclose in the form`s CFMail output).
>>> Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem. Could you
>>> explain your solution a little further? I've played with Captcha but
>>> I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better way. Damn
>>> spammers.
>>>
>>> Laurence
>> Hi Laurence,
>>
>> I see you have already received some suggestions more advanced than what I
>> am using, but you're welcome to look at my new improved contact
>> form...http://www.k-c-p.com/html/NewContact.cfm
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Karl
>>
>> http://www.k-c-p.com/
>
>
Can you tell me which coffee cup modules are worth buying in your view?
I have a interesting way of stopping spammers and it seems to work well. I
have not got a single spam from that email address. :-)
Here is the code I use.
-
<a href='mailto:webmasterATlearnNOF.creationtidbitsDO Tcom?body=Please fix
the email address above by changing the AT and the DOT<br>I have done that
to cut out spam. Thank you'>Micah Klesick</a>
-
It seems funny, but works well.
--
Micah Klesick
www.learnNOF.com
Flash video and PDF tutorials on
NetObjects Fusion
--
For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
www.learnNOF.com/index.php
--
"RayC" <campbell.reXspamX@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:f3p6p2$8sa2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>I stumbled across this link, which appears to be on an old section of the
>NetObjects website.
>
> http://www.netobjects.com/workbench/spamfree.html
>
> Does anyone have a clue whether this would work in NOF 10?
>
> Thanks.
>
> RayC
>
Well, that certainly would work. So would not providing your customers
with a way of contacting you. But be realistic... you can't make a
website for client and then provide them with a solution like that.
Laurence
Micah Klesick wrote:
> I have a interesting way of stopping spammers and it seems to work well. I
> have not got a single spam from that email address. :-)
> Here is the code I use.
> -
> <a href='mailto:webmasterATlearnNOF.creationtidbitsDO Tcom?body=Please fix
> the email address above by changing the AT and the DOT<br>I have done that
> to cut out spam. Thank you'>Micah Klesick</a>
> -
> It seems funny, but works well.
>
I don't use it for clients websites, only mine. :-) I was playing with
different ways to stop spammers, and that worked better than anything else.
I would not use it for a client though.
--
Micah Klesick
www.learnNOF.com
Flash video and PDF tutorials on
NetObjects Fusion
--
For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
www.learnNOF.com/index.php
--
"LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
news:f42alu$c2e4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Well, that certainly would work. So would not providing your customers
> with a way of contacting you. But be realistic... you can't make a
> website for client and then provide them with a solution like that.
>
> Laurence
>
>
>
> Micah Klesick wrote:
>> I have a interesting way of stopping spammers and it seems to work well.
>> I have not got a single spam from that email address. :-)
>> Here is the code I use.
>> -
>> <a href='mailto:webmasterATlearnNOF.creationtidbitsDO Tcom?body=Please fix
>> the email address above by changing the AT and the DOT<br>I have done
>> that to cut out spam. Thank you'>Micah Klesick</a>
>> -
>> It seems funny, but works well.
>>