Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.
On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:37:25 +0000, Beach Ape wrote:
> -Never trust a skinny chef-
Love the sentiment<g>.
As a bread baker, my favorite is:
"Life is too short to bake with fake butter!"
:-)
Charles
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Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.
My father, who grew up on a farm, and cringed at margarine, used to
frequently say:
"It's better with butter"
tOC
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> On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:37:25 +0000, Beach Ape wrote:
>
>> -Never trust a skinny chef-
>
> Love the sentiment<g>.
>
> As a bread baker, my favorite is:
>
> "Life is too short to bake with fake butter!"
>
> :-)
>
> Charles
>
>
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Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.
On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:52:11 -0400, the other Chuck wrote:
> My father, who grew up on a farm, and cringed at margarine, used to
> frequently say:
> "It's better with butter"
I can remember hearing that a lot (I grew up on a farm).
There was a neighbor that had a tee shirt with the word MARGARINE on it and
below that it said:
"What's that made of anyway?"
:-)
Charles
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Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.
Often happens when we olduns start to think about the past.
I remember, when I was just a small boy, saying to Noah "You'll never be
able to drag that boat to the water."
Ian
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Seems like this thread has wandered off the topic.
Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.
On 19/06/2011 16:18, stevec5375 wrote:
>
> I was over in that WYSIWYG 7 forum taking a look and that product
> sounds interesting. It's only $45 !! It might be worth taking a look
> at.
>
>
Trust me - it is!
Email me direct (adrian@inspired-glass.com) if you
want to chat about it.
Not advertising the product - just a very satisfied customer, ex-NOF...
Adrian
Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.
In news:Beach.Ape.4vg2w9@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com,
Beach Ape <Beach.Ape.4vg2w9@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com> typed:
> stevec5375 wrote:
>> The last I heard the development for NOF was outsourced
>> to Romania. Another case of outsourcing gone bad.
>
>
> Many NOfer's have advanced several theories in an effort
> to explain the Edsel's, uh NOF's failure. Popular culture
> often faults the car’s styling, ummm software.
> Consumer Reports has alleged that poor workmanship was
> the Edsel's (NOF12) chief problem. Marketing experts hold
> the Edsel (sorry, I mean v12) up as a supreme example of
> the corporate culture’s failure to understand
> American consumers. Business analysts cite the weak
> internal support for the product inside Ford’s
> (oops, web pros) executive offices. According to author
> and Edsel scholar Jan Deutsch, the Edsel was "the wrong
> car at the wrong time." Ahh, fergetit. Whereever it says
> Edsel ... NOF12, whereever it says Ford, websitepros.
> Anyway ....
>
> "The aim was right, but the target moved" One popular
> misconception is that the Edsel was an engineering
> failure, or a lemon, even though it shared the basic
> technology and overall reliability of the concurrent
> Mercury and Ford models that were built in the same
> factories.[citation needed] The Edsel is most famous for
> being a marketing disaster. Indeed, the name "Edsel"
> became synonymous with commercial failure, and similar
> ill-fated products have often been colloquially referred
> to as "Edsels". Since the Edsel program was such a
> debacle, it gave marketers a vivid illustration of how
> not to market a product. The principal reason the Edsel's
> failure is so famous is that it failed despite
> Ford’s investment of $400,000,000 in its
> development.
>
> The prerelease advertising campaign touted the car as
> having "more YOU ideas", and the teaser advertisements in
> magazines only revealed glimpses of the car through a
> highly blurred lens or wrapped in paper or under tarps.
> Edsels were shipped to the dealerships undercover and
> remained wrapped on the dealer lots.
>
> The public also had difficulty understanding what the
> Edsel was, primarily because Ford made the mistake of
> pricing the Edsel within Mercury’s market price
> segment. Theoretically, the Edsel was conceived to fit
> into Ford’s marketing plans as the brand slotted in
> between Ford and Mercury. However, when the car debuted
> in 1958, its least expensive model—the
> Ranger—was priced within $73 of the most expensive
> and best-trimmed Ford sedan and $63 less than
> Mercury’s base Medalist model.
>
>
>
> -Never trust a skinny chef-
My God, the first Edsel debut was in 1958? That's really interesting because
I recall the Edsel and all the negativity about it as having been in the mid
to late 60's! Interesting for sure but I suppose marketing and all that
worked a lot differently than our "more instant" world of today.
http://normantranscript.com/opinion/...he-Edsel/print
has a good artcle on ths too with a tad more detail.
Videos:
http://www.history.com/shows/modern-...the-ford-edsel
Thanks for an interesting wrote-up. Hard to believe it had such a short
life, but there were a lot of lessons to be learned there!
Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.
In news:stevec5375.4vl5l0@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com,
stevec5375 <stevec5375.4vl5l0@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com> typed:
> I'm going to go out on a limb here and conjecture that
> one reason NOF doesn't fix all the bugs in the software
> is because it helps drive sales of upgrades. I know for
> me, that I thought by upgrading that many of the bugs
> would probably be fixed. However, as we've seen, there
> are still bugs in the application that have been around
> for many years and still not addressed. I would love to
> see the definitive list of what is considered a bug.
>
> I was over in that WYSIWYG 7 forum taking a look and that
> product sounds interesting. It's only $45 !! It might
> be worth taking a look at.
I'm surprised it's still available at that price; it was $50 for a long
time. I'd say go for it as it is actually a great product; just don't expect
fast bug fixes or any real support except for this newsgroup.
Upgrades are normally (and advertised as such) $109 with a Full Product
costing $199. And, when I was messing around with following the progress,
you were only allowed one competitive upgrade. You had to them buy a full
upgrade in order to get another competitive upgrade. And I've never seen the
cheaper $45/50 upgrades advertised or linked to on the NO website. I was
there a few days ago to see what worked and what didn't and there weren't
any new things at all that I could find; only a few links that quit working
long ago were taken down. I don't look at it having been outsourced to
Romanis as one poster said as a very good indicator.
Anyone have a link to anyplace it's sold except netobjects.com? I've
never found one at least. The only thing I feel sure of is that Netobjects
doesn't own it, which means they're getting a hefty payment for
selling/delivering the product to unsuspecting users who are unaware there
is no offical support for the app.
HTH,
Twayne`
