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  1. #1

    Default damaged objects

    Hi there,

    I had this problem with my old (very large) site, but now I have damaged objects also with a new site.

    This happens only when I upload pages and only when I upload the english pages that have a different masterborder than the german ones. No problem with german pages, I can upload them without any errors. But when I upload the english pages, Fusion crashes and when I re-open it, it says damaged objects have removed and my masterborder is GONE!

    This does NOT always happen.. mostly when I upload several pages together. When I upload them alone, mostly no problem.

    I have deleted ALL those pages and created them from scratch, SAME problem though!!!

    what can this be??

    Is this frequent in the 11 version?

    thanks,

    marc

  2. #2
    Peter Eisenburger
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    Default Re: damaged objects

    Marc,

    not sure I understand. do you speak of different languages in terms of
    content in a single web site or in terms of NetObjects Fusion versions?

    I found installing the English and German versions of NOF on the same
    computer can cause conflicts.

    Peter


    werbemaxe wrote:
    > Hi there,
    >
    > I had this problem with my old (very large) site, but now I have
    > damaged objects also with a new site.
    >
    > This happens only when I upload pages and only when I upload the
    > english pages that have a different masterborder than the german ones.
    > No problem with german pages, I can upload them without any errors. But
    > when I upload the english pages, Fusion crashes and when I re-open it,
    > it says damaged objects have removed and my masterborder is GONE!
    >
    > This does NOT always happen.. mostly when I upload several pages
    > together. When I upload them alone, mostly no problem.
    >
    > I have deleted ALL those pages and created them from scratch, SAME
    > problem though!!!
    >
    > what can this be??
    >
    > Is this frequent in the 11 version?
    >
    > thanks,
    >
    > marc
    >
    >


  3. #3

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    Peter, I have only ONE Fusion version installed, the german one. But my statement of "different languages" was just to explain that I have different web pages and with some pages I have these problems, with others not.

    Example: that's my site structure:

    home
    - page1
    - page2
    - index_de
    - page_de1
    - page_de2
    - index_en
    - page_en1
    - page_en2

    I can uplod all pages, but when I upload the english pages (index_en and child pages), I get the error. NOT always!! I can upload a single page of the last pages (for example page_en1) without errors, but when I upload 2 or 3 of them, I get an error. Fusion crashes and when I reopen it it found damaged objects. I have already created the masterborder NEW, but still (sometimes) damaged objects!

    thanks, marc

  4. #4
    Twayne
    Guest

    Default Re: damaged objects

    In news:werbemaxe.4gtrhn@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com,
    werbemaxe <werbemaxe.4gtrhn@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com> typed:
    > Peter, I have only ONE Fusion version installed, the german
    > one. But my statement of "different languages" was just to
    > explain that I have different web pages and with some pages
    > I have these problems, with others not.


    Not a NOF guru here, but I have had that problem in the past, only once with
    NOF11 and a couple times each with older versions. Whatever causes it I
    don't know and it's been discussed a few times here if you want to check old
    posts and they go back far enough. AFAIK a solution to avoid them 100% has
    never been found.

    It's probably only one page or Master Border causing the problem. I do think
    it's the relatonship between the MB and other objects, maybe just the whole
    body that causes it, but that's pure conjecture on my part. n my cases, I
    WAS able to fix t by elminating the one page that turned out to be
    responsible. No "fix" I ever found would work; I had to delete and then
    recreate the whole page from scratch. Or at least I fou8nd no other way that
    would fix it. If were you, I'd start by elmnating pages by "halves"; it's
    fast and easy for this kind of operation. If it throws an expected,
    different error after cutting in half, fix that; remove a link or something
    to stop other types of errors; IIRC I never encountered any problems; common
    sense prevails in choosing the halves.

    Go to Siite View, Structure our Outline View as you prefer. Save a template
    off to some safe locaton first: File; Export; Template; path&name, so you
    don't lose the original work. I often copy off to a CD or DVD.

    Then delete 1/2 of the pages and re-publish. After the re-publish, if the
    problem is stll there, the problem is in one of the pages you just
    published.

    Reload the saved site from template and repeat the above, this time deleting
    the other half of the pages and re-publish those. IFF my assumptiong are
    right, the problem will be gone in the published pages, meaning it's the
    other half that has the problems. If the problem remains in both halves,
    stop; I don't know if my instructions will help or not in that case, so
    whether to proceed is up to you.

    Now, take the half of the site that showed the problem and delete half of
    THOSE pages. See which half retains the problem. Take the half with the
    problem, and cut it in half again, and see if the problem is still there.

    By using the rule of halves you'll fairly quickly have only a few pages
    left, and then only one, eventually. THAT, IME, is the problem page.
    You'll quickly home in on the problem page, assuming it's just one page
    causing the problem. It's a lot faster than doing them one at a time. With a
    200 page site, you'll delete 100 and have100 left. Then 50 left, 25 left, 12
    or 13 left, 6 or 7 left, 3 or 4 left,1 or 2 left, and DONE. (You processed
    1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc. pages in each step) .

    Go back to the original complete site file, remove THAT file, and see if the
    problem is gone. It always was in my case. Then by manually recreating, no
    copy pastes, that page I removed, it remained working OK.

    I'd love to see something more indcative than my own process here, so if
    anyone has something I hope they'll paste the reasoning behind what's
    happening. All I know for sure is it's one of those things with multiple
    causes and has been around for almost all of NOF's life.

    HTH,

    Twayne`


    >
    > Example: that's my site structure:
    >
    > home
    > - page1
    > - page2
    > - index_de
    > - page_de1
    > - page_de2
    > - index_en
    > - page_en1
    > - page_en2
    >
    > I can uplod all pages, but when I upload the english pages
    > (index_en and child pages), I get the error. NOT always!! I
    > can upload a single page of the last pages (for example
    > page_en1) without errors, but when I upload 2 or 3 of them,
    > I get an error. Fusion crashes and when I reopen it it
    > found damaged objects. I have already created the
    > masterborder NEW, but still (sometimes) damaged objects!
    >
    > thanks, marc





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