Publishing and Arranging Files by Site Structure

[chuckj]

No orphan files guys. I often republish the whole site. And 2 days ago I finally upgrade to NOF 11 hoping that might fix things


I created a template from nof 10 and did not include orphan files. I imported that into 11 and rebuilt the whole site. Still way too many files per directory

Looks like i am pretty much screwed

"Orphan files" means files left on the server that are no longer needed.

You may not have any unused files in your site files in Fusion... but you could have files left over from much earlier in the history of your site.

Looks like you've been working on the site since at least Fusion 8 times... several years ago.

With stacked pages for your catalog, every item has its own html page.

If you have 3,000 items, you'll have 3,000 pages just for those items.

You've outgrown stacked pages and need to consider going to a database solution.

BTW: if you just bought 11 in the past few days, you're entitled to a free upgrade to 12. It was just released late last week.

[RayC]

To elaborate on what Chuck is saying, when you hit "Publish" in NOF, it will dutifully create and publish all files in your site to your server. What is DOES NOT do is delete any old files on the server.

As a very simple example, say you have a single page site that has two images, jpeg1.jpg and gif1.gif. Then, in NOF, you change the images used to PNG files and call them ping1.png and ping2.png. The original files jpeg1.jpg and gif1.gif will still be on the server unless you specifically go in and delete them.

If this is the case, you would need to access the server using an FTP client, delete the entire site, then republish the entire site.

As far as reorganizing files in Publish View, per your earlier post, they should be found in the folders
/html/
and
/assets/images/db_images/

Publish view will show the files in the same structure as they will be published. You could try a Local Publish and see if those folders in the Local Publish directories contain that many files. If they don't, you likely do have some orphan files that have accumulated over the years.

[Twayne]

In news:gotFusion.4mye7z@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com,
gotFusion <gotFusion.4mye7z@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com> typed:
> That is the way publish by asset type works. Only the html
> documents go into the separate folders. All banners and
> autogenerated go into the domain root folder.
>
> Are you on a free hosting account? I've never heard of a
> host throttling the number of files/folders. Bandwidth and
> storage capacity maybe but what you put on your hosting
> partition should be your business not theirs (as long as
> you are not breaking the law or something).

Or a not-yet-found policy buried somewhere in their site, especially if it's
a "free" site but I've heard it's being done on pay-for basic sites, too.
Comcast comes to mind, but the person who told me that wasn't very techie.
I know on my own server if my usage reaches 90+% I'll get notifications
that I should "upgrade" and if it hits 98% it'll issue notices that I must
change my site or upgrade it. Thanks to their own server updates though, I'm
not even using 10% of available anymore. Same thing with bandwidth usage;
exceed it and you're off-air for a week. Don't recall all about how they
work that; It's been too long ago to remember.

HTH,

Twayne`

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[Twayne]

In news:akaharry.4mydpn@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com,
akaharry <akaharry.4mydpn@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com> typed:
> I am having a major problem. Godaddy, my hosting service,
> notified me that I have too many files in my assets and
> html directory. I have been publishing my site arranging
> the files by asset type. So I changed it to by site
> structure so that the files would be broken up. But when I
> publish now, only the html files that are generated are put
> into separate subdirectories. All the assests, ie jpg
> files, etc are put into the root directory, giving me over
> 6000 files in the root
>
> What am I doing wrong? Please help ASAP as godaddy is
> going to delete my site
>
> Thanks
>
> Paul
>
> http://www.EarthAngelsToys.com

Could you simply have too many leftover files on the server that have not
been deleted? Fix: Delete whole site, re-upload

Have you tried a Dynamic Page Layout?

Truthfully I'm at a loss here - overall, I'd say go-daddy's comment that
you'll have latency problems, etc., is true and I'd never allow a page to
contain that many objects.

I do see some that would likely make it nearly impractical for anyone using
an analog modem or ISDN or low-speed DSL connections.

Looks like, unless you can find a better NOF setting (Dymanic pages
perhaps?) & UNCHECK html files in their own directory . That way they can
live in the directories the related objects live in. Keep the Home Page
brief.

Go to Tools; Options; Current Site and try out the various layouts to see
what they'll give you. Dynamic Page Layout or the one under it might show a
different structure; I'm not experienced on all of them.
As a general rule, one never wants to allow that many objects in one
folder as you indicate elsewhere either; Creating a better structure of
directories would go a long ways for you by cutting down on the number of
items in each directory and spreading them out among others. DO NOT allow
your original site to be changed; save a template of it somewhere safe and
work on a layer at a time as seen in Structure View, if that makes any
sense.
Gotfusion may well comment on this post as he's/she's a lot more
experienced than I am, but ... the only thing I can see to do is more
"Categories".

IMO you are not "screwed"; it's a structuring/settings issue. You could also
minimize a lot of objects, I bet, by doing away with the flyouts. They
create a LOT of objects.
If your situation happened to me, I wouldn't want it either! That's not
saying you're wrong; simply that even if it were allowed by your server, the
reasons given are mostly valid and are avoided if at all possible by
experienced authors. And I think it's still possible for you, though I can't
come uip with a concrete answer (sorry).
But, I don't know if any of that will help you at all; just kind of
thinking off the top of my head here. It's hard without something to
actually see & touch.

HTH,

Twayne`

[akaharry]

How do I go about getting the free upgrade to 12? I just bought the upgrade to 11 last friday

[chuckj]

If you registered 11, you'll get an email from NetObjects in the near future with information on how to get your upgrade to 12.

[akaharry]

Ray

I never use the NetObjects publish to site feature. I always publish the whole site to a local temp directory on my computer, then FTP the complete site up to the godaddy server to a new location. Then when I am ready to go live, I rename the existing site to .old and rename the new site to the live directories.

[akaharry]

I have never tried the Dynamic Page Layout. I guess I am going to have to give that a try

[chuckj]

Dynamic Layout (HTML 4.01 with tables - in Fusion 12) is better than fixed for browser compatibility reasons, but it won't affect how many files you have.

[gotFusion]

Ray

Then when I am ready to go live, I rename the existing site to .old and rename the new site to the live directories.

That's your problem right there.....

You need to DELETE the old content off of the server not rename it.

If you open windows explorer and navigate to your user sites folder and click on LOCAL PUBLISH which is located within your project name, windows explorer will tell you how many files are present in that folder. The # of folders shown is all that is required for your web site.

If your folders are within what godaddy allows you must log in to your domain using FTP and DELETE all content before you upload the current site files/folders, otherwise you will have the excessive files that they are complaining about still hanging around in your hosting folders.