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    Adrian
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    HI Folks

    This just in from the All-star Team @ Netobjects

    "I know that it's been a while since we discussed about AU#1. It's still
    in work in parallel with other items. I just want to assure you that we
    want to release a solid, tested, working AU released rather than a patch
    that fixes one problem but leaves others open. Thank you again for
    understanding."

    So there you go - four months & counting since the release of NOF12
    ....... anybody else impressed with this ?
    Particularly liked the 'in parallel with other items'.
    Good to know that NO see the fixing of bugs in NOF12 as high priority!

    Adrian


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    Ian
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    Curious. This is the first version of NOF (since V2.00) I didn't buy when
    it was first released. Now I have no reason to give for this course of
    action because the mobile template would have been a useful tool to have. I
    just didn't. Nothing to do about not being accepted as a Beta tester 5 or 6
    years ago. I just didn't. I think I'm now going to wait until I hear some
    more positive comments on these groups. V11 seems to work fine for me, even
    down to the scrolling MLRs.

    Ian

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    HI Folks

    This just in from the All-star Team @ Netobjects

    "I know that it's been a while since we discussed about AU#1. It's still
    in work in parallel with other items. I just want to assure you that we
    want to release a solid, tested, working AU released rather than a patch
    that fixes one problem but leaves others open. Thank you again for
    understanding."

    So there you go - four months & counting since the release of NOF12
    ....... anybody else impressed with this ?
    Particularly liked the 'in parallel with other items'.
    Good to know that NO see the fixing of bugs in NOF12 as high priority!

    Adrian


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    Ian

    It is interesting that you should raise the topic of beta testing.

    I accept that there are limits to the permutations that can be tested but it would appear that some basic stuff wasn't tested. The graphics problem is really shameful.

    I have always rushed in and bought the upgrade on release day and managed to get by but this has been a bummer for me. The time taken for the fix is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

    Ritch
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    Ian
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    Rich,

    Yes I know what you mean.

    When ever I bought the upgrades when they first hit I didn't seem to get
    many, if any, of the problems that other people got upgrading or using the
    new features and often wondered what they were doing that I wasn't. I mean,
    if you accept that the software is designed and written to work in a certain
    way, and you can get to grips with how the authors intended it to be used,
    then you worked it as they had written it to work not how you wanted it to
    work. You developed some little work-arounds for bits that it wouldn't do
    easily or at all and got on with things. I'm glad I didn't jump this time
    because the problems seem to be fairly deep rooted and the conversion from
    V11 to XII appear to be giving headaches to a lot of people. Then again,
    maybe they're not following a logical progression of steps. I don't know.
    Not currently something I want to try just to see if I can do it.

    I always thought that the MLRs, for example, were a good idea but didn't
    like the way that they would always set themselves to be the depth of the
    deepest page. So if you had one tab with not much in it you ended up with a
    lot of "white space". I wanted to keep everything within NOF so worked out a
    smoke and mirrors way of having scrolling MLRs without going outside of NOF
    apart from the insertion of a couple of lines of extra HTML/CSS code. From a
    design point of view it looks a bit messy but from the from front end - the
    observer wouldn't know.

    I did this because I'd seen a number of Flash (spit) sites that had a
    similar effect and wanted to see if I could get NOF to do something close
    without breaking it and without putting too much custom code in. I also
    wanted NOF to continue to format the contents regarding images etc! within
    the layout region. Like I say - smoke and mirrors but it works for me.

    I think I shall wait on the side-lines and continue to be a spectator for
    the time being.

    Ian


    "Ritch" wrote in message news:Ritch.4s78tz@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com...


    Ian

    It is interesting that you should raise the topic of beta testing.

    I accept that there are limits to the permutations that can be tested
    but it would appear that some basic stuff wasn't tested. The graphics
    problem is really shameful.

    I have always rushed in and bought the upgrade on release day and
    managed to get by but this has been a bummer for me. The time taken for
    the fix is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

    Ritch



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    iMac 24" 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo.....4Gb 800Mhz DDR2 SDRAM


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    Rich,

    Yes I know what you mean.

    When ever I bought the upgrades when they first hit I didn't seem to get
    many, if any, of the problems that other people got upgrading or using the
    new features and often wondered what they were doing that I wasn't. I mean,
    if you accept that the software is designed and written to work in a certain
    way, and you can get to grips with how the authors intended it to be used,
    then you worked it as they had written it to work not how you wanted it to
    work. You developed some little work-arounds for bits that it wouldn't do
    easily or at all and got on with things.
    Maybe what they need is a few knuckleheads like us, or a focus group of relative newbies as a "Gamma Group" just prior to release. I've done a bit of beta testing for software developers, mainly because I seem able to break almost anything. You need to stomp in wearing your workboots wielding a chainsaw, not tiptoe in like an experienced ninja.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian View Post
    I always thought that the MLRs, for example, were a good idea but didn't
    like the way that they would always set themselves to be the depth of the
    deepest page. So if you had one tab with not much in it you ended up with a
    lot of "white space". I wanted to keep everything within NOF so worked out a
    smoke and mirrors way of having scrolling MLRs without going outside of NOF
    apart from the insertion of a couple of lines of extra HTML/CSS code.
    I've devised a way to have "variable height" MLRs, although for smaller MLRs I do see the attraction of having a fixed height. It's been posted before, so I won't derail this thread with that discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    So there you go - four months & counting since the release of NOF12
    ....... anybody else impressed with this ?
    Particularly liked the 'in parallel with other items'.
    Good to know that NO see the fixing of bugs in NOF12 as high priority!
    Adrian
    That opinion is a question of optics and I see it through a different lens.

    I don't forget all the similar talk on impatience when NOF'ers were wondering about an upgrade from 11 because it seemed to take 'too long'. No doubt the new company took notice since the comments were peppered with questions about NOF's relevance in the industry. IMHO I figured we got a rushed bad upgrade as a result and I encourage the writers to not bow to that pressure again. Every past version of NOF has 4 or 5 updates, except 11. 11 was the best most solid upgrade in their history and I expect it's because of quality, thought out and tested work.

    Re: "the fixing of bugs in NOF12 as high priority!" - I see that being satisfied through careful quality of work, not speed. Simple math really, jpeg compression is good example of how anyone treats their customers.

    Last edited by Beach Ape; 04-15-2011 at 08:31 PM.

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    Wink Netobjects 12.1

    There have been many "bugs" reported for NO 12, and missing elements such as ability to place FLV files. Also, lots of chatter about a new Wisywig web authoring program. It has many nice features, such as the ability to place FLV files. But in my view, NO 12 still beats them all. What other program, for example, has such a good site view? The overall layout of the program and documentation are the best. With a 12.1 update, I believe that NOF can lay to rest many of the "bugs" and most of the chatter. However, I do hope that NOF 12.1 comes very very soon, or more NOF users will be jumping ship. I'm selfish. I don't want them to do this. I want a strong NOF customer base to ensure the long-term stability of the company. Hurry up with 12.1 NOF. We need you!

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    I've devised a way to have "variable height" MLRs
    Would you mind linking again to your thread, Ray? I missed that one!

    Thanks and best regards
    Barbara

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    Joe Rotello
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    It's now June 8, 2011.

    Is there any "new news" on the upcoming NetObjects Fusion XII / 12
    Update / Patch ?

    Many web-sites and parts of sites being accomplished with purchased
    copies of NOF 12 lay waiting for completion, due to non-working or
    improperly working functions and options in the initial Fusion 12 software.


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    Personally I never buy any software upgrade until it's been out for at least 12 months. That includes software that has far bigger investment in development teams than nof can possible afford with one application to develop. Adobe, for example, has hundreds of the best software engineers on the planet working for it. Yet I still wait 12 months before upgrading Photoshop and other CS apps, despite the fact that these are my core business tools. The fact is, I can always do what I need to with current releases and wait for the bugs to be ironed out before buying an new one.

    Windows, for example, can be years before most of the bugs are squashed and I've only just upgraded to windows 7 from XP. How many patches have windows had since 7's release? Complex applications can have millions of lines of code and an error in one routine can have implications throughout the whole program. And while the mega-corporations can afford huge teams of developers tracking down and correcting those error, a small one-product company simply cannot afford the investment (and frankly cannot afford to attract the very best talent) that the big companies can. Basic business economics.

    Windows was the flaky OS it was because it tried to incorporate every user need within the OS rather than taking the modular approach of, for example, unix. Win 7 is much better and much more stable yet it still falls over on one of my computers at least once a week, usually after a 'critical update' necessitating a rollback to a previous restore point. OTOH I have a Free BSD box that's been running without too many major upgrades to the OS since the end of the '90s.

    Personally I don't care how many people jump ship to the latest "magic program that does everything and does away for the necessity for me to learn anything to create awesome web sites." NoF 11 does everything I need it to do to build the front-end of web sites. And, like my kiwi mate on here, I'm going with 4D for the back end components. IMOH that's an unbeatable combination. OTOH, I still need a large number of other progams, including photoshop, illustrator, acrobat, textpad, various lightbox/slider type programs. Hell, I even still us Vim for code editing; it's the most powerful text editor there is an it's all of 35 years old.

    Now I did buy the latest web design wonder program "that cannot be named here." It's ok for what it does and you can build web site front ends as easily as you can with NoF. But it still won't give you the interactive functionality that modern business web sites require. You still have to interface with db's which usually need custom design and installation and maintenance to build an interactive web site. NoF does 70% of what I need for my web sites, 4D will add a further 25% (and growing) and the other 5% will still require custom programming, usually by a number of different programmers and will be the most expensive of all. Wasn't it ever thus?

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