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Junior Member
import new site
I'm trying to import/edit an existing site but the NO directions are extremely vague, almost nonexistent, on this matter. When I try New Site>From Existing Web Site the popup gives no option for user name/password or other hosting information. I enter the URL of the site and give a file name, but the program simply creates a new home page without downloading anything and then gives an error message saying "page not found'. I shouldn't have to resort to the forum for such a basic operation. Is there a definitive NOF manual that I can refer to for instructions? The instructions that come with the software are pretty much useless.
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Senior Member
Simple answer -don't try it. It won't work, you'll waste hours and simply become more and more frustrated.
NoF is a great web site creator, not a site importer and editor.
If you no longer have the original files, use HTTRack to download a copy of the site to your local drive, this will give you access to all the graphics and test, then re-create the site in NoF. It will work, and you'll save hoyrs of time and frustration.
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Senior Member
What he said. It is in no way a "basic operation".
NOF generates HTML from your layout when you hit "publish". Trying to go backwards is like putting a loaf of bread in your bread machine and expecting it to give you flour, salt, sugar and yeast.
If you're planning to maintain a site on an ongoing basis in NOF, you will most certainly have to re-create the site in NOF. HT-Track can help you gather all of the resources.
If you simply need to make some changes to an existing site, you can use a true HTML editor. Kompozer is a free-ware one that you can download.
HTH
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Junior Member
did you tell it the URL name? If YES. did you brows to the index page and click on it. ? at that it should pull the entire site into NO. I'm only giving info about NO12. I imported a site from FP2000. it seemed to go OK. the site is in NO. But now I have a problem opening any of the pages to work on them. it says the pags are to big -- can't open. so what do i do?
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Re: import new site
Like they have already said, use httrack and download the site to your hard
drive and then roll up your sleeves and start to rebuild the site in NOF
from the data on your hard drive, longhand, like you would if you were
starting a site from scratch with text files and images. Site Import never
has been a a winner, so far, in any version of NOF.
Sorry about that.
Ian
"jcwill60" wrote in message
news:jcwill60.4uj1ah@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com...
did you tell it the URL name? If YES. did you brows to the index page
and click on it. ? at that it should pull the entire site into NO.
I'm only giving info about NO12. I imported a site from FP2000. it
seemed to go OK. the site is in NO. But now I have a problem opening
any of the pages to work on them. it says the pags are to big --
can't open. so what do i do?
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Junior Member
Thank you all. I've been so discouraged by this awful software that I dread even starting it up to do any work. I'm on my third rebuild of the site from scratch due to various issues (with the web store, with lack of compatibility with Essentials, with inability to import my almost perfectly functioning (after way too much work in the first place) site). Have tried every suggestion I could find including uninstalling and reinstalling the program... Have now broken down and just learned to write HTML and PHP myself, so I really have no need for this junk any more. I feel like I've been deceived and ripped off.
Why would NetObjects claim to have capabilities that it doesn't? If it doesn't import existing websites then why does it even offer that function? If I would have known that, I never would have purchased it. (I guess that's the short answer to the question...) Just reeks of sleazy business practice.
I know that no one in this forum has any control over this, so forgive my rant. But, as I have mentioned previously, if anyone has contact with the developers/marketers you might suggest that they be more truthful in describing the true nature of their product and its obvious limitations. Ultimately, that's just got to be more profitable than lying and pissing people off.
Off now to research HTTrack and try to mitigate my losses...
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Re: import new site
Rather than go through the entire procedure in this thread, it may have
saved you a lot of time and frustration if you had adopted an incremental
backup system using templates, as described here.
http://www.1ahost.co.uk/html/backups.html
I know it's stable doors and horses (and written for V9) but the concept
works well with just about every form of development.
Ian
"1968jmw" wrote in message
news:1968jmw.4v6naq@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com...
Thank you all. I've been so discouraged by this awful software that I
dread even starting it up to do any work. I'm on my third rebuild of the
site from scratch due to various issues (with the web store, with lack
of compatibility with Essentials, with inability to import my almost
perfectly functioning (after way too much work in the first place)
site). Have tried every suggestion I could find including uninstalling
and reinstalling the program... Have now broken down and just learned to
write HTML and PHP myself, so I really have no need for this junk any
more. I feel like I've been deceived and ripped off.
Why would NetObjects claim to have capabilities that it doesn't? If it
doesn't import existing websites then why does it even offer that
function? If I would have known that, I never would have purchased it.
(I guess that's the short answer to the question...) Just reeks of
sleazy business practice.
I know that no one in this forum has any control over this, so forgive
my rant. But, as I have mentioned previously, if anyone has contact with
the developers/marketers you might suggest that they be more truthful in
describing the true nature of their product and its obvious limitations.
Ultimately, that's just got to be more profitable than lying and pissing
people off.
Off now to research HTTrack and try to mitigate my losses...
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Re: import new site
In news:irvhfh$h8r$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com,
Ian <ianh@1ahost.co.uk> typed:
> Like they have already said, use httrack and download the
> site to your hard drive and then roll up your sleeves and
> start to rebuild the site in NOF from the data on your
> hard drive, longhand, like you would if you were starting
> a site from scratch with text files and images. Site
> Import never has been a a winner, so far, in any version
> of NOF.
> Sorry about that.
>
> Ian
>
> "jcwill60" wrote in message
> news:jcwill60.4uj1ah@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com...
>
>
> did you tell it the URL name? If YES. did you brows to
> the index page and click on it. ? at that it should
> pull the entire site into NO. I'm only giving info about NO12. I imported
> a site from
> FP2000. it seemed to go OK. the site is in NO. But now
> I have a problem opening any of the pages to work on them. it says the
> pags are
> to big --
> can't open. so what do i do?
I've had good luck using FileZilla to simply pull a site down to my hard
drive with the same structure it has on the server, and then tell NOF to
create a new site by simply pointing to the Home Page (root) file, usually
index.html or default.html or a few other names they prefer you use.
Worst case I lose the Master Borders but it's easy to reassign them as
long as the author didn't use too many custom nav bars.
I forget what causes the "page too big" error message, but it's simple. If
no one has a good answer, look back thru the archives & search for it. It's
been discussed more than once here.
BTW: NO = Netobjects, who are not the owners of NO Fusion. NOF = NetObjects
Fusion.
HTH,
Twayne`
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Re: import new site
In news:1968jmw.4v6naq@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com,
1968jmw <1968jmw.4v6naq@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com> typed:
> Thank you all. I've been so discouraged by this awful
> software that I dread even starting it up to do any work.
> I'm on my third rebuild of the site from scratch due to
> various issues (with the web store, with lack of
> compatibility with Essentials, with inability to import
> my almost perfectly functioning (after way too much work
> in the first place) site). Have tried every suggestion I
> could find including uninstalling and reinstalling the
> program... Have now broken down and just learned to write
> HTML and PHP myself, so I really have no need for this
> junk any more. I feel like I've been deceived and ripped
> off.
> Why would NetObjects claim to have capabilities that it
> doesn't? If it doesn't import existing websites then why
> does it even offer that function? If I would have known
> that, I never would have purchased it. (I guess that's
> the short answer to the question...) Just reeks of sleazy
> business practice.
> I know that no one in this forum has any control over
> this, so forgive my rant. But, as I have mentioned
> previously, if anyone has contact with the
> developers/marketers you might suggest that they be more
> truthful in describing the true nature of their product
> and its obvious limitations. Ultimately, that's just got
> to be more profitable than lying and pissing people off.
> Off now to research HTTrack and try to mitigate my
> losses...
Essentials is very old and lacking in most of the features that many find
useful. IIRC it's actually version 7.5. Plus, you have to also be sure to
get the updates that are available for it. Don't even try to run it without
the updates available to you. I started with 7.0 and it updated to 7.1, and
I cut my teeth on that version, catching on early to their lack of actually
doing any improvements and actually breaking things in 8 & 9 and less so in
10. Then 11 came out and people were saying good things about it, so I tried
it and haven't looked back since. 12 seems to be pretty buggy and a few
things seem to have broken in it, so I'm not even thinking about going to
12, 300 new features or not (something I dispute, by the way). They must
have statistics gurus counting these things for them because many of the
things claimed to be "new" in 12 are already n 11 and a few have been there
since 7 if I'm not mistaken.
NetObjects, and whoever actually owns Fuson now, are sure not the kind of
people I have much respect for and even less respect for their credibility.
They probably only bought it iin order to be able to resell it agaiin. Heck,
I'd offer them $US109 for the IP and all the supporting paperwork for it,
but ... I don't think I'd go any higher than that.
Sorry if I sound "down" on Fusion; it's the people, not the app, I'm down
on.
HTH,
Twayne`
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