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    Default 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.

    Title says it all.

    What a waste of money this has been. I get the feeling the graphics issues will never be fixed.

    NOF seems to have gone AWOL

    Ritch
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    Feeling your pain too.

    Over the years this product has always been buggy, unstable, and problematic. With each new version I cross my fingers and HOPE that it will improve. and am usually disappointed.

    It has always been the best product for what it is, but I have had to invest too much of my time constantly fidling with it, using work-arounds or trying to figure out things that lack any usable documentation (such as SQL integration). I mean really, how long has that Cut/Paste with keyboard shortcuts bug been in the "Object HTML" code editing window, 10 years? more?.

    I was really hoping that v12 would resolve shortcomings in CSS3 implementation so we could get good results publishing for the non-I.E. browsers (Firefox, Chrome, etc). But the lack of an update to fix the graphics publishing bug has me stopped cold and continuing to use version 11, hand coding the CSS3 tags. The idea of once agian having to go back and rework already completed items due to buggy software and a reluctance to release a fix, is just too infuriating.

    Since Fusion is NetObect's only product, and the lack of an update, or even any timely information on the schedule for an update, leads me to believe they must farm out their development and lack the expertise to fix this in house.

    To get around NOF shortcomings I've had to learn so much code that I don't really need it anymore.
    The time it seems to save with what it is good at, is quickly washed away with it's problems.

    I believe I have built my last new website with NOF.

    Goodbye NOF
    Hello DreamWeaver, Expression Web, WordPress, or whatever will get it done. All of them release patches and updates on regular schedules.

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    Ian
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    Default Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.

    I'm sorry - this is not a HaHa!

    I was a bit late getting the email about the new version and, when I did, I
    was already seeing other people who had bought in getting problems.

    I decided to wait for some of the initial issues to be resolved before I
    threw my hat into the ring.

    I am still waiting.

    It's the first time for about ten years that I haven't taken the latest
    version when it was first released. I am sure I am not the only one.

    Like I said, I am still waiting for some of the fundamental issues to be
    resolved.

    Still waiting.

    Ian



    "Ritch" wrote in message news:Ritch.4uwxyg@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com...


    Title says it all.

    What a waste of money this has been. I get the feeling the graphics
    issues will never be fixed.

    NOF seems to have gone AWOL

    Ritch



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    iMac 24" 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo.....4Gb 800Mhz DDR2 SDRAM


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    Adrian
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    Default Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.

    On 06/06/2011 17:55, djpimpstick wrote:
    > Feeling your pain too.
    >

    <snip>


    > I believe I have built my last new website with NOF.


    Built my last one about a 6 weeks ago - now migrating _all_ my NOF sites
    to an alternative product (WYSIWYG web builder) - which is cheaper than
    NOF, has forum and email support direct from the technical design staff,
    frequent updates, doesn't screw up your graphics, has an 'import from
    web feature' that actually works.... and so on.....

    It's a lot of extra work that I shouldn't really have to do....
    but I know it'll make my life easier in the long-term -
    so it's worth the effort.

    >
    > Goodbye NOF
    > Hello DreamWeaver, Expression Web, WordPress, or whatever will get it
    > done. All of them release patches and updates on regular schedules.
    >


    As in 'professional' companies that stand by their products....
    you mean?

    What have the famous 'all star team' at Netobjects been doing for the
    last six months?
    How long does it take to fix the very obvious graphics bugs ?

    Suggestions on a website please <g> - but not one written in NOF
    'cos we can't wait that long!

    Adrian


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    @Adrian

    Yawn, yawn, yawn......
    First of all, you filled the boards with your complains about the "unfair" pricing of the software in Euro.

    Now you don't miss any possibility to make advertising for the software you are obviously using by now, whatever it might be.
    Get on with it, be happy with whatever you use.

    It would be very kind and pleasant if you would not use any thread which might be suitable to jump onto the possibility to make advertising for another software.
    Honestly you are getting on my bl..... nerves.
    Why don't you go and play around in the forum of this W..W... software?

    If you are not using NOF anymore, what are you still doing here?

    I am waiting for an update of NOFXII as well, like a lot of other users. Just by the way.....
    http://www.nof-community.de
    NOF-Community, Hilfe, Support, Tutorials, Anleitungen, Tipps und Tricks für Netobjects Fusion und SwissKnife Komponenten

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    Adrian
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    Default Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.

    HI Mia

    Thanks for your comments

    On 06/06/2011 23:29, mia wrote:
    > @Adrian
    >
    > Yawn, yawn, yawn......
    > First of all, you filled the boards with your complains about the
    > "unfair" pricing of the software in Euro.


    Hardly 'filled the boards' - but should we all look the other way when
    companies operate unequal pricing policies?

    >
    > Now you don't miss any possibility to make advertising for the software
    > you are obviously using by now, whatever it might be.
    > Get on with it, be happy with whatever you use.


    Thank you - I'm not 'advertising' (look it up on Wikipedia) -
    just pointing out the difference between the way NOF run things and the
    way some other companies operate.

    >
    > It would be very kind and pleasant if you would not use any thread
    > which might be suitable to jump onto the possibility to make advertising
    > for another software.
    > Honestly you are getting on my bl..... nerves.
    > Why don't you go and play around in the forum of this W..W... software?


    I'm too busy doing paid-for work to play around anywhere -
    that's why I like my software tools to actually work, and make me more
    productive. That's why I pay money for them - not to act as an unpaid
    beta-tester. If I bought a hammer to put nails in, and the head fell
    off, I'd complain. Same applies here.

    >
    > If you are not using NOF anymore, what are you still doing here?


    Please read my message - I am in the process of migrating my NOF sites
    to another package. This takes time - so some of them are currently
    still in NOF12 (some in NOF 11 even) - so it's handy for me to keep an
    eye on these forums in case I learn something that's (short-term) useful
    to me - while some of my sites are still in NOF.

    I've also got a morbid curiousity to see just how long it takes NOF to
    sort out the problems they introduced in NOF12...

    >
    > I am waiting for an update of NOFXII as well, like a lot of other
    > users. Just by the way.....
    >

    Enjoy the wait!
    Given that NOF12 is now 6 months old, and no statement has been made
    about just 'when' a 12.1 release might be available, I'm amazed that
    so many of the 'faithful' are still here, waiting patiently, and
    creating inventive work-arounds for the very obvious flaws in NOF12.

    Example in the forums the other day for the banner transparency bug -
    'just change all of your banners across all of your sites from png to
    gif - that'll fix it'.
    Seems to me that NOF owes you (the regular experts and moderators) an
    immense debt of gratitude for the endless hours that you put in propping
    up their flaky software.

    Hats off to you - you're doing a great job (and I mean that sincerely).

    Adrian
    >
    >
    > mia - Global Moderator im deutschen NOF-Forum
    > http://www.nof-forum.de
    > Germany´s biggest NOF-Community



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    Twayne
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    Default Re: 6 months gone and still no fix for Version 12.

    In news:isj3d4$6l9$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com,
    Adrian <adrian@inspired-glass.com> typed:
    > On 06/06/2011 17:55, djpimpstick wrote:
    >> Feeling your pain too.
    >>

    > <snip>
    >
    >
    >> I believe I have built my last new website with NOF.

    >
    > Built my last one about a 6 weeks ago - now migrating
    > _all_ my NOF sites to an alternative product (WYSIWYG web
    > builder) - which is cheaper than NOF, has forum and email
    > support direct from the technical design staff, frequent
    > updates, doesn't screw up your graphics, has an 'import
    > from web feature' that actually works.... and so on.....
    > It's a lot of extra work that I shouldn't really have to
    > do.... but I know it'll make my life easier in the long-term -
    > so it's worth the effort.
    >
    >>
    >> Goodbye NOF
    >> Hello DreamWeaver, Expression Web, WordPress, or
    >> whatever will get it done. All of them release patches
    >> and updates on regular schedules.

    >
    > As in 'professional' companies that stand by their
    > products.... you mean?
    >
    > What have the famous 'all star team' at Netobjects been
    > doing for the last six months?
    > How long does it take to fix the very obvious graphics
    > bugs ?
    > Suggestions on a website please <g> - but not one written
    > in NOF 'cos we can't wait that long!
    >
    > Adrian


    If you think this is a long time, think about how long NOF 11 languished in
    limbo with absolutely nothing being done about it; it's like almost 18
    months with a bug fix or change of any kind! And worse yet, who owns Fusion
    now? NO is still selling it, but past posts indicate it's been sold at least
    two more times since NO owned it.
    I got their add about version 12 today and actually had to laugh at it.
    It makes it sound as though "free support" is right there and available,
    when it is not and hasn't been for going on two years now.

    You have to watch those Fusion guys real carefully. Sometimes their
    "upgrades" for $110 are nothing but a couple of esoteric bug fixes and no
    real improvements at all. 12 seems to fit in that boat. 10 and especally 11
    seem to have been the most reliable revs wth the preceding one being around
    version 7. I'm still using NOF 11 because I have sites already desgned in
    it, fool that I was, but like others I'm looking around. The only thing I
    know I don't want right now is CMS and all the other problems and
    incontinuities that go with those. NVU was an up and comer for awhile but
    they lost steam, too. It's just too bad someone with some smarts can't get
    hold of NOF 11, OR an open source version of it, and bring it along much
    like the LibreOffice package now going so successfully. It's interesting
    that so little competition exists for database oriented tools a la Fusion
    don't exist, because I really think it's the right way to go IFF it has some
    people who will dedicate themselves to it. Their work is so pathetic the
    last couple years they must be down to only a couple of designer/engineering
    types who obviously cannot handle the load or don't want to. Coders used to
    actually post in the ng's originally but they're long gone now for whatever
    reason.

    HTH,

    Twayne`



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    The last I heard the development for NOF was outsourced to Romania. Another case of outsourcing gone bad. In the meantime, software developers in the U.S. go without jobs. I should know, I've been laid off 7 times in 26 years and am going on 6 months out of work. If I had expertise in NOF code, I'd gladly take it over and give you people a bug fix!

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    Don't worry guys, all is well.

    NoF XII has just won 2011 Editor's Choice Award!

    How do I know this? Because the clowns at NO can't even do a database purge, so I got 3 emails to breathlessly announce you’d be hard pressed to know that the pages weren’t the work of a professional designer.

    What a shame to company behind the product no longer seems to be professional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevec5375 View Post
    The last I heard the development for NOF was outsourced to Romania. Another case of outsourcing gone bad.

    Many NOfer's have advanced several theories in an effort to explain the Edsel's, uh NOF's failure. Popular culture often faults the car’s styling, ummm software. Consumer Reports has alleged that poor workmanship was the Edsel's (NOF12) chief problem. Marketing experts hold the Edsel (sorry, I mean v12) up as a supreme example of the corporate culture’s failure to understand American consumers. Business analysts cite the weak internal support for the product inside Ford’s (oops, web pros) executive offices. According to author and Edsel scholar Jan Deutsch, the Edsel was "the wrong car at the wrong time." Ahh, fergetit. Whereever it says Edsel ... NOF12, whereever it says Ford, websitepros. Anyway ....

    "The aim was right, but the target moved" One popular misconception is that the Edsel was an engineering failure, or a lemon, even though it shared the basic technology and overall reliability of the concurrent Mercury and Ford models that were built in the same factories.[citation needed] The Edsel is most famous for being a marketing disaster. Indeed, the name "Edsel" became synonymous with commercial failure, and similar ill-fated products have often been colloquially referred to as "Edsels". Since the Edsel program was such a debacle, it gave marketers a vivid illustration of how not to market a product. The principal reason the Edsel's failure is so famous is that it failed despite Ford’s investment of $400,000,000 in its development.

    The prerelease advertising campaign touted the car as having "more YOU ideas", and the teaser advertisements in magazines only revealed glimpses of the car through a highly blurred lens or wrapped in paper or under tarps. Edsels were shipped to the dealerships undercover and remained wrapped on the dealer lots.

    The public also had difficulty understanding what the Edsel was, primarily because Ford made the mistake of pricing the Edsel within Mercury’s market price segment. Theoretically, the Edsel was conceived to fit into Ford’s marketing plans as the brand slotted in between Ford and Mercury. However, when the car debuted in 1958, its least expensive model—the Ranger—was priced within $73 of the most expensive and best-trimmed Ford sedan and $63 less than Mercury’s base Medalist model.

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