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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Rotello View Post
    On 6/19/2011 2:55 PM, cummingsworld wrote:

    > I'm very disappointed in NOF 12. No where in advertising (emailings) or
    > website that says it only 32bit compatible. I've been on Windows 7
    > 64bit for over a year now and when I got the emailing I thought it would
    > be a good time to reinstall NOF but with a newer version so I bought
    > the upgrade (I've been using NOF off and on since version 2). Got it
    > installed and found that it doesn't work no matter what compatabitly
    > mode I put it in Here was my solution to get NOF 12 to run >>


    Why did you insist on wasting ones time?

    Under Windows 7 64bit with NOF 12, and there's no real reasons or
    findings to run it under anything but as a 32bit app.

    You will also find NOF 12 more stable being run as a 32bit app.

    The 12 "hard-core work ethic" Win 7 64bit units we assist, and we use
    one ourselves, show no problems, no speed or efficiency increases, etc.
    by running NOF 12 in a "normal" 32bit mode. These are dual-core and some
    quad-core units all with 4 to 8 GB mainboard RAM, as well.

    You and others may find that forcing to change this status quo will be
    opening up more cans of worms.

    Ditto also, for Dreamweaver CS5 as well.."forcing" it to run at other
    than a 32bit product under Win 7 64bit is useless and pointless.

    BTW, running it as you are doing it, via a virtual machine, actually
    slows it down, and increases chances of instability.

    Joe
    Dreamweaver CS5 is not 64bit native? I thought all CS5 apps were 64bit (although I generally work with the 32bit versions as most of the dozens of plugins I've accumulated over the years are only 32bit and won't work with the 64bit version of, for example, Photoshop.

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    On 6/20/2011 8:01 PM, franko wrote:
    > Dreamweaver CS5 is not 64bit native? I thought all CS5 apps were 64bit
    > (although I generally work with the 32bit versions as most of the dozens
    > of plugins I've accumulated over the years are only 32bit and won't work
    > with the 64bit version of, for example, Photoshop.


    To the best of my knowledge, and an Email that I recall getting a few
    months ago from a Dreamweaver so-called "insider"...

    Dreamweaver and most of the CS5 family are still 32bit apps, with SOME
    of the heavy graphics intensive CS5 products -- a very few -- capable of
    running on x64 systems, but there's again, no real; speed, efficiency or
    stability advantage incurred by running on x64...regardless if the apps
    still function as 32bit.

    At least, that is the way things were explained by the insiders --
    apparent staff members.

    Joe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Rotello View Post
    On 6/20/2011 8:01 PM, franko wrote:
    > Dreamweaver CS5 is not 64bit native? I thought all CS5 apps were 64bit
    > (although I generally work with the 32bit versions as most of the dozens
    > of plugins I've accumulated over the years are only 32bit and won't work
    > with the 64bit version of, for example, Photoshop.


    To the best of my knowledge, and an Email that I recall getting a few
    months ago from a Dreamweaver so-called "insider"...

    Dreamweaver and most of the CS5 family are still 32bit apps, with SOME
    of the heavy graphics intensive CS5 products -- a very few -- capable of
    running on x64 systems, but there's again, no real; speed, efficiency or
    stability advantage incurred by running on x64...regardless if the apps
    still function as 32bit.

    At least, that is the way things were explained by the insiders --
    apparent staff members.

    Joe

    The only one I have found that is x64 close is PS CS5. The 64 bit install disk works reasonably well at addressing large blocks of ram without the x86 ram limit being hit and disk caching/swapping occurring.
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    On 6/21/2011 10:30 AM, gotFusion wrote:
    > The only one I have found that is x64 close is PS CS5. The 64 bit
    > install disk works reasonably well at addressing large blocks of ram
    > without the x86 ram limit being hit and disk caching/swapping occurring.


    Thank you...that is indeed welcome information.
    As one might expect, the CS product family "insiders" would not tend to
    be 100% "wide open" on their assessment of their own products.


    Now speaking of Fusion 12/XII...

    We have seen in the past, and welcomed it, that even when updates take
    what seems to be an eternity, and we are ALL waiting -- some desperately
    -- for the NOF 12 first Update...

    That WebSite Pro's and now the NetObjects Inc. people usually do their
    best they can to get items like both the major version releases and the
    needed Update(s) out.

    Joe

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    Just for the complainer up at the top of this thread.
    I run Win 7 64bit, no tweaks etc, installed NO 12 right out of the download.

    Here is my sysinfo:

    OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Professional
    Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601
    Other OS Description Not Available
    OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
    System Name XXXX-PC
    System Manufacturer Dell Inc.
    System Model Latitude D830
    System Type x64-based PC
    Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7300 @ 2.00GHz, 2001 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
    BIOS Version/Date Dell Inc. A14, 11/12/2008
    SMBIOS Version 2.4
    Windows Directory C:\Windows
    System Directory C:\Windows\system32
    Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
    Locale Earth
    Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.1.7601.17514"
    User Name XXXX-PC\YYYY
    Time Zone XYZ Daylight Time
    Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB
    Total Physical Memory 4.00 GB
    Available Physical Memory 2.19 GB
    Total Virtual Memory 7.99 GB
    Available Virtual Memory 5.77 GB
    Page File Space 4.00 GB
    Page File C:\pagefile.sys


    I run MySql in 64 bit, VMware player in 32 bit, NO in 32 bit, Nvidia drivers in 64 bit, PHP in 32 bit and Apache server in 32 bit

    All without any problems.

    Hope this helps

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    On 6/20/2011 10:22 AM, barbara0701 wrote:
    > Perhaps you have problems running NOF because you have only installed
    > the Java RU 64 BIT. NOF needs theJRE 32 bit version to run correctly.
    >
    >
    >
    > "When the shoe fits, you don't think about the foot" (Chuang Chou)
    > '*NOF-SCHULE - Forum, Tutorials, Support für NetObjects Fusion*'
    > (http://www.nof-schule.de) | *'Understanding CSS and Styles in NOF -
    > Tutorial in English'
    > (http://www.nof-schule.de/netobjects-.../CSS-in-NOF/)* |


    This is more directed to the JVM "mess around with it" people...

    Actually, one does NOT install the JVM in both 64bit and 32bit on the
    same Windows 7 or Vista 64bit system. Not needed, not proper.

    Install only the JVM 32bit, and DE-install the 64bit JVM if it was
    installed.

    And quite fooling around with the systems, as one is bound to cause a
    lot of problems.

    Joe



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    Actually, one does NOT install the JVM in both 64bit and 32bit on the
    same Windows 7 or Vista 64bit system. Not needed, not proper.
    Hello Joe,

    pls give me some more information on this. As far as I know both JRE should be installed on the same system,, if needed. For example, this is what Java itself recommends when using IE 32 bit:

    http://www.java.com/de/download/faq/java_win64bit.xml

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    On 6/23/2011 9:30 AM, barbara0701 wrote:
    >> Actually, one does NOT install the JVM in both 64bit and 32bit on the
    >> same Windows 7 or Vista 64bit system. Not needed, not proper.

    >
    > Hello Joe,
    >
    > pls give me some more information on this. As far as I know both JRE
    > should be installed on the same system,, if needed. For example, this is
    > what Java itself recommends when using IE 32 bit:
    >
    > http://www.java.com/de/download/faq/java_win64bit.xml
    >
    >
    >
    > "When the shoe fits, you don't think about the foot" (Chuang Chou)
    > '*NOF-SCHULE - Forum, Tutorials, Support für NetObjects Fusion*'
    > (http://www.nof-schule.de) | *'Understanding CSS and Styles in NOF -
    > Tutorial in English'
    > (http://www.nof-schule.de/netobjects-.../CSS-in-NOF/)* |


    Will translate to English, or locate the same page in English, first,
    then comment.

    In the past, Sun and now Oracle, Microsoft, and we engineering /
    computer techs, have all tested and found that ones does NOT install
    BOTH 32bit and 64b it JVM on the same machine, be that machine Win 7
    32bit based, or Win 7 64bit based.

    There's just no real need to do so.

    Win 7 64bit runs just fine and at full speed with the 32bit JVM
    installed, as does the 32bit Win XP, Vista and Win 7 installs. Stability
    is excellent, compatibility with other apps in the same systems appears
    high confidence and stable, etc.

    HOWEVER, we are always open to other views on this.

    Joe

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    On 6/23/2011 9:30 AM, barbara0701 wrote:
    >> Actually, one does NOT install the JVM in both 64bit and 32bit on the
    >> same Windows 7 or Vista 64bit system. Not needed, not proper.

    >
    > Hello Joe,
    >
    > pls give me some more information on this. As far as I know both JRE
    > should be installed on the same system,, if needed. For example, this is
    > what Java itself recommends when using IE 32 bit:
    >
    > http://www.java.com/de/download/faq/java_win64bit.xml


    Our recommendation still stands:

    If you are using:

    32-bit Internet Explorer (IE), you need to download 32-bit Java
    (Verify browser)
    64-bit IE, you need to download 64-bit Java (Verify browser)
    Both 32-bit and 64-bit IE, you need to download both 32-bit and
    64-bit Java respectively

    MS IE 9 64bit is Microsoft's unmitigated disaster, and even MS will
    advise you of that, albeit with a little sugar coating applied.

    MS IE 9 32bit runs far better, more stable and far faster execution in
    Win 7 64bit OS than does MS IE 9 64bit...period.

    Likewise, JVM 32bit runs far superior to JVM 64bit on BOTH Win 7 32bit
    AND Win 7 64bit installations.

    End of argument.

    Joe

    >
    >
    >
    > "When the shoe fits, you don't think about the foot" (Chuang Chou)
    > '*NOF-SCHULE - Forum, Tutorials, Support für NetObjects Fusion*'
    > (http://www.nof-schule.de) | *'Understanding CSS and Styles in NOF -
    > Tutorial in English'
    > (http://www.nof-schule.de/netobjects-.../CSS-in-NOF/)* |



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    Default Me too.

    I get exactly the same error. Install hangs. Windows 7 says incompatible application.


    Quote Originally Posted by cummingsworld View Post
    Don't know who Charles is.. nor do I care because of his response to my post was useless.

    If NOF12 works on Win7/64bit tell me how to get it running. I've tried all the compatibility setting



    So unless someone can tell me how to get this product working on a Win 7 64bit OS I'm still very disappointed

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