Goodbye NOF

[stevec5375]

I have been using NOF since the early days. Granted, I'm not a prolific web site creator and it certainly isn't my main mode of income. But I have to say that even in my limited use of the product, I've finally had it. I'm tired of working around the work arounds. I just converted a friend of mine's web site from NOF 12 to Joomla 1.7. It was relatively quick and painless. The product is open source and therefore free. There are tons of extensions that far exceed anything NOF has to offer.

I'm sorry NOF but in today's market, you just aren't cutting it. If this is the result of your outsourcing your development than I would say it's a major FAIL.

[Adrian]

HI Steve

I know exactly what you mean.

I have a large-ish website that is a community directory - created in
NOF10 and subsequently transferred (in the approved fashion) into V11
and V12.

I've since 'seen the light' - and now use a different web design package
for all of my new work.

In the new package, editing is easy. Open program, make amendments, save
file, upload to server.

It's just taken me the best part of an hour to make a three-line edit to
the front page of my NOF12 site.
During this time NOF has displayed the pieces of text I was editing
'overlayed' as some sort of a layer on top of the real text, and,
eventually, provoked my rock-solid install of Win XP into blue-screening.

On rebooting, and opening NOF12 it went into 'not responding' mode - and
had to be killed in task manager.
On the third attempt, it actually started, and now it's screwing up the
text display again - duplicating the text and images, but offsetting it
from the 'real' text. Double-clicking on the text makes the phantom text
disappear. 'Save' on the file make it come back.

This is on V12 - I've no intention of installing the long-awaited patch!

It's a tribute to NOF that they seem to have attracted a forum of loyal
long-term users, who are able to support this flaky software for them -
but it's a hell of a way to run a company!

Looks like I shall have to migrate this large site to my new web-design
software sooner than I thought - thanks a bundle Netobjects.
What a waste of time & effort!

Adrian

On 11/09/2011 01:36, stevec5375 wrote:
> I have been using NOF since the early days. Granted, I'm not a prolific
> web site creator and it certainly isn't my main mode of income. But I
> have to say that even in my limited use of the product, I've finally had
> it. I'm tired of working around the work arounds. I just converted a
> friend of mine's web site from NOF 12 to Joomla 1.7. It was relatively
> quick and painless. The product is open source and therefore free.
> There are tons of extensions that far exceed anything NOF has to offer.
>
> I'm sorry NOF but in today's market, you just aren't cutting it. If
> this is the result of your outsourcing your development than I would say
> it's a major FAIL.
>
>

[Adendum]

I do feel sorry for all the early adopters of NOF12, and equally sorry for all those loyal NOF Fourm members that are stoically waving the banner for NOF. I too am a long term NOF user but I stopped at version 11. I never take on a new release (of any software or OS) until at least 12 months have passed but in this case I wont be taking on NOF.

I too have found alternative generating software that is extremely fast, has rock solid stability, intuitive, easy to use, crammed with features and add-on plugins (extensions), there is a Mac version and the support - from the the actual author no less - is exemplary (actually it's bloody awesome!). And, incredibly, it's a fraction of the cost of NOF at just $45.

I'll still visit this forum as I do still use NOF11 from time to time and will continue to try and help other NOF8-11 users but, for the record, NetObjects Inc. have lost me as a customer.

So, belatedly, I also say farewell - at least to NOF12 and NO themselves.

[Joe Rotello]

We too are strongly looking at both Joomla 1.7 -- IF 1and1 web hosting
would update their MySQL and PHP to THE latest versions that Joomla 1.7
can work with...

AND we are looking deeply into WYSIWYG Web Builder v7.6.4 -- a product
that years ago I used to exhort the author to keep at it...glad the
author did!

One question begs an answer, however...for those of us that bought into
NOF 12 Update or Full version...how do we get our money back ?

Then again, maybe we can pray that Update 2 for NOF 12 will be coming
along fairly shortly now. Crossing fingers on that one.

Joe

WYSIWYG On 9/11/2011 7:22 AM, Adendum wrote:
> I do feel sorry for all the early adopters of NOF12, and equally sorry
> for all those loyal NOF Fourm members that are stoically waving the
> banner for NOF. I too am a long term NOF user but I stopped at version
> 11. I never take on a new release (of any software or OS) until at least
> 12 months have passed but in this case I wont be taking on NOF.
>
> I too have found alternative generating software that is extremely
> fast, has rock solid stability, intuitive, easy to use, crammed with
> features and add-on plugins (extensions), there is a Mac version and the
> support - from the the actual author no less - is exemplary (actually
> it's bloody awesome!). And, incredibly, it's a fraction of the cost of
> NOF at just $45.
>
> I'll still visit this forum as I do still use NOF11 from time to time
> and will continue to try and help other NOF8-11 users but, for the
> record, NetObjects Inc. have lost me as a customer.
>
> So, belatedly, I also say farewell - at least to NOF12 and NO
> themselves.
>
>
>
> Paul - 'Aditerum Ltd' (http://www.aditerum.co.uk) and 'AllSortsOfStuff
> Ltd' (http://www.allsortsofstuff.net)
> NOF11 (in Admin mode!); Vista Premium 64bit; AMD Phenom IIx4 945
> Processor 3.00Ghz; 8.0Gb RAM
> -wouldn't it be great if there was only a single browser to worry
> about!!!-

[Adrian]

HI Joe

On 11/09/2011 16:50, Joe Rotello wrote:
> We too are strongly looking at both Joomla 1.7 -- IF 1and1 web hosting
> would update their MySQL and PHP to THE latest versions that Joomla 1.7
> can work with...
>
> AND we are looking deeply into WYSIWYG Web Builder v7.6.4 -- a product
> that years ago I used to exhort the author to keep at it...glad the
> author did!

That's my favourite at the moment (and I have a sneaking suspicion
that's the program that Paul is talking about too).

It's a great relief to now be able to design or update sites without
that nagging fear that it's all going to fall in a twitching heap!
(a la NOF)

I'm working on a shopping cart in MagentoGO at the moment - bit of a
learning curve if you're not up to speed on CMS, but a great piece of
kit once you've got over that particular 'hump'.
Probably easier if you have a Joomla-esque background... (I don't)
It also doesn't fall in a heap.....

>
> One question begs an answer, however...for those of us that bought into
> NOF 12 Update or Full version...how do we get our money back ?

Good luck with that one - let me know how you get on!

>
> Then again, maybe we can pray that Update 2 for NOF 12 will be coming
> along fairly shortly now. Crossing fingers on that one.

Surely you're not bored with all the _new bugs_ in 12.1 already! <g>
Sorry to be cynical! - but that's how I get..... around flaky software.

Adrian

[gotFusion]

I've used DW (CS 5.5) and Homesite (5.5) for just as long as I have used the Fusion product.

I find it much faster to do a layout in Fusion then switch to other tools to finish the coding.

Most of what I do is dynamic sites (database content) so all I need is 2 pages (a display page and an admin page). From these 2 pages I can create just about any web site.

[Adrian]

HI Mike
I know you're a great & loyal supporter of Fusion, and that you give an
awful lot of helpful advice to folks
- but I'm not sure what your point is.

If 'all' (<g>) you're doing is using NOF to create 'template' pages for
db-driven sites then maybe you're not seeing the same level of defects
and frustrations that are experienced by people for whom NOF is their
chosen (?single?) web authoring tool.
Something about not really pushing the NOF software to its limits - maybe ?

Don't want to waste your time with a long discussion - but just don't
see the point you are making here?

Adrian

[gotFusion]

HI Mike
I know you're a great & loyal supporter of Fusion, and that you give an
awful lot of helpful advice to folks
- but I'm not sure what your point is.

If 'all' (<g>) you're doing is using NOF to create 'template' pages for
db-driven sites then maybe you're not seeing the same level of defects
and frustrations that are experienced by people for whom NOF is their
chosen (?single?) web authoring tool.
Something about not really pushing the NOF software to its limits - maybe ?

Don't want to waste your time with a long discussion - but just don't
see the point you are making here?

Adrian

The point is.... It is called web design. You need to use all of the tools that are available for the job. I have never "just" used Fusion alone, always in conjunction with other tools.

I can understand others who put all of their eggs in one basked, especially when that basket is as easy to use as Fusion. Sooner or later everyone moves on once they get more adept at working with all of the tools that are out there.


Besides.... If Fusion were a perfect product. I would need to find something else to do as there would be no need for the gotFusion business

[JLewis]

This thread is all about what's wrong with Netobjects. I would like to see everyone who is happy with the NO 12 Update to post here what thay like about Netobjects and why they are not jumping ship. Everyone wanted the Version 12 patch. Now we have it and there still are complaints. Won't there always be complaints with any software? It would take a lot for me to jump ship from Netobjects, altjough I have to say that reading this thread makes me wonder. I am planning on investing a lot more time developing a site, and want to make certain from the beginning that I am using the right software with the least problems. Xara Web Designer looks attractive, though from what I read it cannot handle large sites. Also, I don't see in Xara were you can exclude a page from navigation while you are working on it, or exclude a page from puiblishing. So, I look at programs like Xara though always come back to Fusion. I want to hear from people who love Fusion, would never change, and know how to use the program. I do believe that many of the problems that people report turn out to be from "user error." From all the people who love Fusion, let us know why.

[Beach Ape]

This thread needs some music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nllCZI1XoE