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    Quote Originally Posted by franko View Post
    Well, no, not at all. I'm doing a lot of sites at the moment that are utilising a flat design paradigm and graphics rather than the traditional banner, horizontal or (much less these days) vertical nav bars. Design tastes change and a designer needs to keep up with them. NoF is great at this. You can start with zero margins and place what you want where you want; you're limited only by your imagination and you design skills. Or you can have one or more masterborders wherever you want (well, top, bottom, left or right anyway) if you have repeating elements in those places.



    I agree and have posted on this at great length. It's been an issue for most of the wysiwyg type code generators but one or two of them are making inroads (I believe wysiwyg web thingy has a solution altough I haven't checked out the latest version. I'm entitled to an upgrade, though, so probably will soon). You can bet the developers at NetObjects are working hard at a solution but like the release of 2013 you won't hear anything about it until it's released and then you'll be very pleasantly surprised (again, if 2013 is anything to go by). Like you I have a number of sites that use redirects to mobile versions and from a design perspective I find this a better solution for small sites. For larger sites with a mobile-first approach I'm using Bootstrap but the development time is obviously much longer.

    As I said, my belief is that it's horses for courses and I use the appropriate tool often with assistance from others (for example, there's no reason you can't generate a site in NoF and then edit the resulting html and css files to make them responsive.

    Joe - I know you're a fan of EZGenerator and I did check it out a year or so ago but didn't find any reason to go through a whole new learning curve. I don't know if they've solved the RWD conundrum but they certainly hadn't when I last looked. I'll take another gander although as I now mostly do pro-bono work I find it hard to justify further investment.
    RWD

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    Joe Rotello
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    Default Re: Goodbye NOF Hello EZGenerator ??

    On 10/15/2013 8:46 PM, franko wrote:
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    > Joe - I know you're a fan of EZGenerator and I did check it out a year
    > or so ago but didn't find any reason to go through a whole new learning
    > curve. I don't know if they've solved the RWD conundrum but they
    > certainly hadn't when I last looked. I'll take another gander although
    > as I now mostly do pro-bono work I find it hard to justify further
    > investment.


    '-*RWD*' (http://www.aditerum.co.uk/templates/T4/index.html)

    Franko, that www.aditerum.co.uk RWD site and demo page IS VERY interesting!

    Hmm...does give rise to a lot of interesting possibilities.

    EZGenerator certainly should be inspected, and perhaps ask them to look
    at the RWD page for possible inclusion or licensing www.aditerum.co.uk's
    idea into EZGenerator ?

    Frankly, EZGenerator's "learning curve" was a heck of a lot shorter for
    a busy person, than I feared when I first started.

    Agreed, every product has SOME learning curve, yet EZGenerator seems to
    be logically laid out and as of version 4, appears to me and others to
    be relatively easy to pick up and use to create needs.

    Joe




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    Joe, following your enthusiastic recommendations of EZGenerator I once again checked out their web site expecting to see they had now added Responsive Web output to their program. However, just as last time I checked it out, I could find no reference to it on their site. Could you post the link that demonstrates their responsive output capabilities and methods?

  4. #44
    Joe Rotello
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    Default Re: Goodbye NOF Franko and RWD / Responsive Output

    On 10/16/2013 11:19 PM, franko wrote:
    > Joe, following your enthusiastic recommendations of EZGenerator I once
    > again checked out their web site expecting to see they had now added
    > Responsive Web output to their program. However, just as last time I
    > checked it out, I could find no reference to it on their site. Could you
    > post the link that demonstrates their responsive output capabilities and
    > methods?
    >
    >

    Just go to their website, and send Miro or their general staff RWD
    request, and ask them to add RWD / Responsive Output to EZGenerator, or
    they can code in any "links" and auto include RWD in the EZGenerator
    capabilities.

    If you like, I will also follow-up and ask them to "meet" with you or to
    add RWD / Responsive Web to EZGenerator's array of options.

    They may elect to add it as a "Widget", which is the quickest way I have
    seen smart ideas added to EZGenerator.

    But it might take people like you or I specifically asking them to add
    RWD capability in...it's the only way they can possibly know about it.

    Feel free to drop me email about this, as RWD / Responsive web looks
    like a "winner" idea, indeed. My pleasure to help.

    Joe
    joerotello at windowgroup dot com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Rotello View Post
    On 10/16/2013 11:19 PM, franko wrote:
    > Joe, following your enthusiastic recommendations of EZGenerator I once
    > again checked out their web site expecting to see they had now added
    > Responsive Web output to their program. However, just as last time I
    > checked it out, I could find no reference to it on their site. Could you
    > post the link that demonstrates their responsive output capabilities and
    > methods?
    >
    >

    Just go to their website, and send Miro or their general staff RWD
    request, and ask them to add RWD / Responsive Output to EZGenerator, or
    they can code in any "links" and auto include RWD in the EZGenerator
    capabilities.

    If you like, I will also follow-up and ask them to "meet" with you or to
    add RWD / Responsive Web to EZGenerator's array of options.

    They may elect to add it as a "Widget", which is the quickest way I have
    seen smart ideas added to EZGenerator.

    But it might take people like you or I specifically asking them to add
    RWD capability in...it's the only way they can possibly know about it.

    Feel free to drop me email about this, as RWD / Responsive web looks
    like a "winner" idea, indeed. My pleasure to help.

    Joe
    joerotello at windowgroup dot com

    Isn't a BIT Naïve to Believe it is all that EZ(Easy) as You Suggest ??? WB9 is the only one Doing it NOW......

    Lookey See Here.......
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    Indeed if adding repsonsive output was as easy as that then everybody else would have it by now. The fact is, from a programming perspective, it's extremely difficult to automate output to a fluid design. Artisteer does it, but that's specifically designed to output to certain CMSes and doesn't give you the design flexibility that a normal wysiwyg code generator.

    WB9 does allow it, but it's only for advanced users. However, as I have an earlier version and can upgrade for around $30 if NoF don't find a solution for it soon I may spring for the $30. IMHO it's the single biggest cause of the professional market moving away from NoF. But then, maybe they're happy with the newbie market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franko View Post
    Indeed if adding repsonsive output was as easy as that then everybody else would have it by now. The fact is, from a programming perspective, it's extremely difficult to automate output to a fluid design. Artisteer does it, but that's specifically designed to output to certain CMSes and doesn't give you the design flexibility that a normal wysiwyg code generator.

    WB9 does allow it, but it's only for advanced users. However, as I have an earlier version and can upgrade for around $30 if NoF don't find a solution for it soon I may spring for the $30. IMHO it's the single biggest cause of the professional market moving away from NoF. But then, maybe they're happy with the newbie market.
    I Thought You were an Advanced User...... Maybe A Couple of Online Computer Courses will Take You Where You Wanna Go....

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    I Thought You were an Advanced User...... Maybe A Couple of Online Computer Courses will Take You Where You Wanna Go....
    It's more the $30 I'm thinking about... As I have more time than money I'm coding responsive sites in BlueGriffon...

  9. #49
    Joe Rotello
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    On 10/17/2013 7:10 PM, franko wrote:
    > Indeed if adding repsonsive output was as easy as that then everybody
    > else would have it by now. The fact is, from a programming perspective,
    > it's extremely difficult to automate output to a fluid design. Artisteer
    > does it, but that's specifically designed to output to certain CMSes and
    > doesn't give you the design flexibility that a normal wysiwyg code
    > generator.
    >
    > WB9 does allow it, but it's only for advanced users. However, as I have
    > an earlier version and can upgrade for around $30 if NoF don't find a
    > solution for it soon I may spring for the $30. IMHO it's the single
    > biggest cause of the professional market moving away from NoF. But then,
    > maybe they're happy with the newbie market.
    >
    >

    There are options already in EZGenerator V4 that are on a par with the
    "complexity" of responsive output, but of COURSE, not yet actually
    responsive output itself.

    ImageLine's EZGenerator group has been asked to investigate responsive
    output, with an eye towards incorporating or licensing it into
    EZGenerator as a selectable option among many existing options.

    As a side-note, EZGenerator and Artisteer softwares already "talk" to
    each other, and Artisteer output melds seamlessly into EZGenerator
    V4'sTemplate selection and design process.

    With the advancements of HTML5, jQuery and other inner-code tools, one
    will find that EZGenerator already uses many of these tools and that
    responsive output is likely quite capable to be added.

    Joe Rotello / Knoxville, TN / USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by franko View Post
    It's more the $30 I'm thinking about... As I have more time than money I'm coding responsive sites in BlueGriffon...
    You Do Not Have to spend $30 for WB9..... WB8 Will Take You where You Wanna Go.......
    Looky See Here... Scroll to Bottom of This Page.......

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