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  1. #1
    Joe Rotello
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    Default WYSIWYG 8

    For those on the fence, or over the hill, about NOF 12/XII and wanting
    to look over an alternative, (OR) to add the alternative to your NOF
    12/XII stable of tools:

    WYSIWYG 8 is now available.

    Among many other items, 8 incorporates a built-in-CMS and supposedly
    "over 150" new features.

    At the least, it's worth a look.

    http://wysiwygwebbuilder.com/index.html

    Joe

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    who stands behind wysywygwebbuilder? can those, who make PR for this product, give us some information?

    look, what can be found on the Web.

    "http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/support.html
    Not Found
    The requested URL /support.html was not found on this server.
    Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de Port 80"

    while the English version doesn't provide _any_ information on "who is?",
    the German version is totally offline:
    http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/

    for as many as "in wenigen Tagen": several days! frightening.

    it seems, there's only one man behind this project: Götz Morgenschweis (Germany):
    http://www.goemo.de/Impressum.html

    here's an old capture from archive org from May 2011:
    http://web.archive.org/web/201012021...impressum.html

    there's another "company" or programmer mentioned and affiliated:
    http://pablosoftwaresolutions.com/

    instead of "who is" (deutsch: Impressum) it only states:

    "Thanks for visiting my website!
    Pablo"

    Now would you trust and make your projects and yourselves dependent on "Pablo" and Götz? Decide for yourselves!

    Peter

    P.S. I am missing any information on NetObjects Inc. on their website as well.

  3. #3
    Adrian
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    Default Re: WYSIWYG 8

    Hi
    For what it's worth - the German website for WYSIWYG is currently being
    rebuilt following the release of Version 8 (in the last week or so).

    Based on my personal experience of WYSIWYG since January - I have 100%
    confidence in the product. Support is provided in the forum 365 days /
    year by 'Pablo' - who is the man behind the software.

    The software costs a fraction of what NOF costs, updates within versions
    and major updates add functionality and more the product forward -
    unlike some products where each new update introduces a new wave of bugs.

    I've recently converted all of my websites (50+!) from NOF to WYSIWYG,
    and now I can confidently make changes to the websites, secure in the
    knowledge that the new development environment won't trash my websites,
    and that simple 'one line' changes won't result in hours of wasted effort.

    WYSIWYG also produces standards-compliant HTML.....

    I'd rather trust my web development to 'somebody called Pablo' who
    produces good software and supports it, than to some amorphous entity
    called NetObjects that produces unreliable, overpriced software....

    I have no connection with NOF or WYSIWYG - other than as a satisfied
    customer of one company, and a grateful escapee from the other!

    Your choice, of course.

    Adrian

    On 27/11/2011 18:02, Peter wrote:
    > who stands behind wysywygwebbuilder? can those, who make PR for this
    > product, give us some information?
    >
    > look, what can be found on the Web.
    >
    > "http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/support.html
    > Not Found
    > The requested URL /support.html was not found on this server.
    > Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_ssl/2.2.9
    > OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de Port 80"
    >
    > while the English version doesn't provide _any_ information on "who
    > is?",
    > the German version is totally offline:
    > http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/
    >
    > for as many as "in wenigen Tagen": several days! frightening.
    >
    > it seems, there's only one man behind this project: Götz Morgenschweis
    > (Germany):
    > http://www.goemo.de/Impressum.html
    >
    > here's an old capture from archive org from May 2011:
    > http://tinyurl.com/7mzqddd
    >
    > there's another "company" or programmer mentioned and affiliated:
    > http://pablosoftwaresolutions.com/
    >
    > instead of "who is" (deutsch: Impressum) it only states:
    >
    > "Thanks for visiting my website!
    > Pablo"
    >
    > Now would you trust and make your projects and yourselves dependent on
    > "Pablo" and Götz? Decide for yourselves!
    >
    > Peter
    >
    > P.S. I am missing any information on NetObjects Inc. on their website
    > as well.
    >
    >



  4. #4
    Joe Rotello
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    Default Re: WYSIWYG Web Builder 8

    RE: WYSIWYG Web Builder 8

    I have known Pablo for a few years, not personally or in any way
    associated with Pablo... but as a recommend-er, product reviewer and
    discussing features for WYSIWYG Web Builder. And as a user, of course.

    A pretty good product now/ At the start, appeared to be more of a
    "NetObjects wanna-be sort of", but in the past two or so years, WYSIWYG
    has really come into its own.

    And, if it gives NOF a run for the money, well, that may be due as much
    to Pablo's hard work, as it is Fusion's failures and "digital chuckholes
    on the Information Highway" problems...

    WYSIWYG Web Builder 8 sells for about $45 $US, and even at quite a bit
    more if it was priced higher, it's well worth considering and using.

    Joe

    On 11/27/2011 1:02 PM, Peter wrote:
    > who stands behind wysywygwebbuilder? can those, who make PR for this
    > product, give us some information?
    >
    > look, what can be found on the Web.
    >
    > "http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/support.html
    > Not Found
    > The requested URL /support.html was not found on this server.
    > Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_ssl/2.2.9
    > OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de Port 80"
    >
    > while the English version doesn't provide _any_ information on "who
    > is?",
    > the German version is totally offline:
    > http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/
    >
    > for as many as "in wenigen Tagen": several days! frightening.
    >
    > it seems, there's only one man behind this project: Götz Morgenschweis
    > (Germany):
    > http://www.goemo.de/Impressum.html
    >
    > here's an old capture from archive org from May 2011:
    > http://tinyurl.com/7mzqddd
    >
    > there's another "company" or programmer mentioned and affiliated:
    > http://pablosoftwaresolutions.com/
    >
    > instead of "who is" (deutsch: Impressum) it only states:
    >
    > "Thanks for visiting my website!
    > Pablo"
    >
    > Now would you trust and make your projects and yourselves dependent on
    > "Pablo" and Götz? Decide for yourselves!
    >
    > Peter
    >
    > P.S. I am missing any information on NetObjects Inc. on their website
    > as well.
    >
    >



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    Senior Member LBA's Avatar
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    Does WWB rely on a NOD-like database to generate the HTML and thus run into the same problems as NOF... i.e. dependency on the database not corrupting and inability to import a published site?

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    yers, it does, and is hpeless at importing html.

    I have just done a site in ms eXPRESSION wEB AS IT COULD IMPORT AN EXISTING HTML SITE and allow me to edit and republish.

  7. #7
    Adrian
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    Default Re: WYSIWYG 8

    Hi

    On 27/11/2011 23:49, 1FugleyKiwi wrote:
    > yers, it does, and is hpeless at importing html.


    With respect - that's rubbish! (in my experience with 50 or so client
    sites in the last 6 months)
    WYSIWYG was very happy to import sites created in NOF11 and NOF12 -
    and did a much better job of importing sites than NOF ever did.

    Not to say that some things didn't need tweaking - but the basic look
    and feel, the layout, and the majority of the content imported fine.
    The latest version can now do a recursive import (follows site structure
    and collects all linked pages of that site)

    Adrian


  8. #8
    Joe Rotello
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    Default Re: WYSIWYG 8

    On 11/27/2011 6:49 PM, 1FugleyKiwi wrote:
    > yers, it does, and is hpeless at importing html.
    >
    > I have just done a site in ms eXPRESSION wEB AS IT COULD IMPORT AN
    > EXISTING HTML SITE and allow me to edit and republish.
    >
    >

    Yes, WYSIWYG HTML file/website importing has improved, yet it actually
    did a credible job importing webpages and sites in the past, and does so
    today.

    NOF, being a HTML creator, has had an abysmal record in importing
    web-pages and sites, and it historically for years can not, even try to
    import websites or even webpages from servers that host virtual server
    websites.

    If one downloads a webpage or website to ones local computer, THEN ask
    WYSIWYG Web Builder or NOF 10/11/12 to open and import the downloaded
    site, NOF is still abysmal, while WYSIWYG does a much better job of it,
    albeit not 100% perfect.

    Joe

  9. #9
    Joe Rotello
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    Default Re: WYSIWYG 8

    On 11/27/2011 6:18 PM, LBA wrote:
    > Does WWB rely on a NOD-like database to generate the HTML and thus run
    > into the same problems as NOF... i.e. dependency on the database not
    > corrupting and inability to import a published site?
    >
    >

    Looking at an example site file in progress, I get the impression that
    the "file format" Pablo uses is more of an HTML-like markup language
    looking file.

    Does not resemble a database file that I can associate it with,
    either...again, resembles a mark-up language file a LOT.

    For example, part of the file reads in my ASCII editor:


    \rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{ \f0\fnil\fcharset0
    Arial;}{\f1\ftech\fprq1\fcharset0 Arial;}{\f2\fnil\fprq12\fcharset0 Arial;}}
    {\colortbl ;\red0\green64\blue128;\red0\green0\blue0;}
    \viewkind4\uc1\pard\qc\tx720\cf1\highlight0\fs16 Copyright \'a9 2007 by
    "Your Name"\par
    All Rights reserved\par
    \f1 E-Mail: yourname@yourdomain.com\cf2\highlight0\f2\fs20\par
    }

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    Arial;}{\f1\ftech\fprq1\fcharset0 Arial;}{\f2\fnil\fprq15\fcharset0 Arial;}}
    {\colortbl
    ;\red255\green255\blue255;\red255\green102\blue0;\ red0\green0\blue0;}
    \viewkind4\uc1\pard\qc\tx720\cf1\highlight0\b\i\fs 14 Designed by
    GOEMO\cf2\fs24 .\cf1\fs14 d\f1 e\cf3\highlight0\b0\i0\f2\fs20\par


    Joe

  10. #10
    Charles Edmonds
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    On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:53:03 -0500, Joe Rotello wrote:

    > Does not resemble a database file that I can associate it with,
    > either...again, resembles a mark-up language file a LOT.
    >
    > For example, part of the file reads in my ASCII editor:
    >
    >
    > \rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{ \f0\fnil\fcharset0


    That looks pretty much like a standard RTF file.

    Charles



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