WYSIWYG 8

[Joe Rotello]

For those on the fence, or over the hill, about NOF 12/XII and wanting
to look over an alternative, (OR) to add the alternative to your NOF
12/XII stable of tools:

WYSIWYG 8 is now available.

Among many other items, 8 incorporates a built-in-CMS and supposedly
"over 150" new features.

At the least, it's worth a look.

http://wysiwygwebbuilder.com/index.html

Joe

[Peter]

who stands behind wysywygwebbuilder? can those, who make PR for this product, give us some information?

look, what can be found on the Web.

"http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/support.html
Not Found
The requested URL /support.html was not found on this server.
Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_ssl/2.2.9 OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de Port 80"

while the English version doesn't provide _any_ information on "who is?",
the German version is totally offline:
http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/

for as many as "in wenigen Tagen": several days! frightening.

it seems, there's only one man behind this project: Götz Morgenschweis (Germany):
http://www.goemo.de/Impressum.html

here's an old capture from archive org from May 2011:
http://web.archive.org/web/201012021...impressum.html

there's another "company" or programmer mentioned and affiliated:
http://pablosoftwaresolutions.com/

instead of "who is" (deutsch: Impressum) it only states:

"Thanks for visiting my website!
Pablo"

Now would you trust and make your projects and yourselves dependent on "Pablo" and Götz? Decide for yourselves!

Peter

P.S. I am missing any information on NetObjects Inc. on their website as well.

[Adrian]

Hi
For what it's worth - the German website for WYSIWYG is currently being
rebuilt following the release of Version 8 (in the last week or so).

Based on my personal experience of WYSIWYG since January - I have 100%
confidence in the product. Support is provided in the forum 365 days /
year by 'Pablo' - who is the man behind the software.

The software costs a fraction of what NOF costs, updates within versions
and major updates add functionality and more the product forward -
unlike some products where each new update introduces a new wave of bugs.

I've recently converted all of my websites (50+!) from NOF to WYSIWYG,
and now I can confidently make changes to the websites, secure in the
knowledge that the new development environment won't trash my websites,
and that simple 'one line' changes won't result in hours of wasted effort.

WYSIWYG also produces standards-compliant HTML.....

I'd rather trust my web development to 'somebody called Pablo' who
produces good software and supports it, than to some amorphous entity
called NetObjects that produces unreliable, overpriced software....

I have no connection with NOF or WYSIWYG - other than as a satisfied
customer of one company, and a grateful escapee from the other!

Your choice, of course.

Adrian

On 27/11/2011 18:02, Peter wrote:
> who stands behind wysywygwebbuilder? can those, who make PR for this
> product, give us some information?
>
> look, what can be found on the Web.
>
> "http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/support.html
> Not Found
> The requested URL /support.html was not found on this server.
> Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_ssl/2.2.9
> OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de Port 80"
>
> while the English version doesn't provide _any_ information on "who
> is?",
> the German version is totally offline:
> http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/
>
> for as many as "in wenigen Tagen": several days! frightening.
>
> it seems, there's only one man behind this project: Götz Morgenschweis
> (Germany):
> http://www.goemo.de/Impressum.html
>
> here's an old capture from archive org from May 2011:
> http://tinyurl.com/7mzqddd
>
> there's another "company" or programmer mentioned and affiliated:
> http://pablosoftwaresolutions.com/
>
> instead of "who is" (deutsch: Impressum) it only states:
>
> "Thanks for visiting my website!
> Pablo"
>
> Now would you trust and make your projects and yourselves dependent on
> "Pablo" and Götz? Decide for yourselves!
>
> Peter
>
> P.S. I am missing any information on NetObjects Inc. on their website
> as well.
>
>

[Joe Rotello]

RE: WYSIWYG Web Builder 8

I have known Pablo for a few years, not personally or in any way
associated with Pablo... but as a recommend-er, product reviewer and
discussing features for WYSIWYG Web Builder. And as a user, of course.

A pretty good product now/ At the start, appeared to be more of a
"NetObjects wanna-be sort of", but in the past two or so years, WYSIWYG
has really come into its own.

And, if it gives NOF a run for the money, well, that may be due as much
to Pablo's hard work, as it is Fusion's failures and "digital chuckholes
on the Information Highway" problems...

WYSIWYG Web Builder 8 sells for about $45 $US, and even at quite a bit
more if it was priced higher, it's well worth considering and using.

Joe

On 11/27/2011 1:02 PM, Peter wrote:
> who stands behind wysywygwebbuilder? can those, who make PR for this
> product, give us some information?
>
> look, what can be found on the Web.
>
> "http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/support.html
> Not Found
> The requested URL /support.html was not found on this server.
> Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_ssl/2.2.9
> OpenSSL/0.9.8g Server at www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de Port 80"
>
> while the English version doesn't provide _any_ information on "who
> is?",
> the German version is totally offline:
> http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.de/
>
> for as many as "in wenigen Tagen": several days! frightening.
>
> it seems, there's only one man behind this project: Götz Morgenschweis
> (Germany):
> http://www.goemo.de/Impressum.html
>
> here's an old capture from archive org from May 2011:
> http://tinyurl.com/7mzqddd
>
> there's another "company" or programmer mentioned and affiliated:
> http://pablosoftwaresolutions.com/
>
> instead of "who is" (deutsch: Impressum) it only states:
>
> "Thanks for visiting my website!
> Pablo"
>
> Now would you trust and make your projects and yourselves dependent on
> "Pablo" and Götz? Decide for yourselves!
>
> Peter
>
> P.S. I am missing any information on NetObjects Inc. on their website
> as well.
>
>

[LBA]

Does WWB rely on a NOD-like database to generate the HTML and thus run into the same problems as NOF... i.e. dependency on the database not corrupting and inability to import a published site?

[1FugleyKiwi]

yers, it does, and is hpeless at importing html.

I have just done a site in ms eXPRESSION wEB AS IT COULD IMPORT AN EXISTING HTML SITE and allow me to edit and republish.

[Joe Rotello]

On 11/27/2011 6:18 PM, LBA wrote:
> Does WWB rely on a NOD-like database to generate the HTML and thus run
> into the same problems as NOF... i.e. dependency on the database not
> corrupting and inability to import a published site?
>
>
Looking at an example site file in progress, I get the impression that
the "file format" Pablo uses is more of an HTML-like markup language
looking file.

Does not resemble a database file that I can associate it with,
either...again, resembles a mark-up language file a LOT.

For example, part of the file reads in my ASCII editor:


\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{ \f0\fnil\fcharset0
Arial;}{\f1\ftech\fprq1\fcharset0 Arial;}{\f2\fnil\fprq12\fcharset0 Arial;}}
{\colortbl ;\red0\green64\blue128;\red0\green0\blue0;}
\viewkind4\uc1\pard\qc\tx720\cf1\highlight0\fs16 Copyright \'a9 2007 by
"Your Name"\par
All Rights reserved\par
\f1 E-Mail: yourname@yourdomain.com\cf2\highlight0\f2\fs20\par
}

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{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl {\f0\fnil\fcharset0
Arial;}{\f1\ftech\fprq1\fcharset0 Arial;}{\f2\fnil\fprq15\fcharset0 Arial;}}
{\colortbl
;\red255\green255\blue255;\red255\green102\blue0;\ red0\green0\blue0;}
\viewkind4\uc1\pard\qc\tx720\cf1\highlight0\b\i\fs 14 Designed by
GOEMO\cf2\fs24 .\cf1\fs14 d\f1 e\cf3\highlight0\b0\i0\f2\fs20\par


Joe

[Charles Edmonds]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:53:03 -0500, Joe Rotello wrote:

> Does not resemble a database file that I can associate it with,
> either...again, resembles a mark-up language file a LOT.
>
> For example, part of the file reads in my ASCII editor:
>
>
> \rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{ \f0\fnil\fcharset0

That looks pretty much like a standard RTF file.

Charles



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[Joe Rotello]

On 11/27/2011 7:40 PM, Charles Edmonds wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:53:03 -0500, Joe Rotello wrote:
>
>> Does not resemble a database file that I can associate it with,
>> either...again, resembles a mark-up language file a LOT.
>>
>> For example, part of the file reads in my ASCII editor:
>>
>>
>> \rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{ \f0\fnil\fcharset0
>
> That looks pretty much like a standard RTF file.
>
> Charles
>

Yep. To me, coming from the late 80's and all, mark-up files are the
predecessor to RTF and even to the likes of PDF.

You are right...Pablo's WYSIWYG bears strong family resemblance to RTF,
possibly suitably modified for his or HTML's needs.

Joe

[Charles Edmonds]

On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:32:01 -0500, Joe Rotello wrote:

> Yep. To me, coming from the late 80's and all, mark-up files are the
> predecessor to RTF and even to the likes of PDF.

:-)


> You are right...Pablo's WYSIWYG bears strong family resemblance to RTF,
> possibly suitably modified for his or HTML's needs.

I suspect the development tool he is using to give the WYSIWYG look and
feel is actually an RTF editor. Then he is exporting/converting to HTML.

That would account for using the RTF format for storage.

Of course that is just a guess.

Either way Pablo seems to have put a lot of effort into it and is making it
better with each release.

My biggest concern with that product's output is the use of fixed
positioning of page elements. It is just not flexible enough for the
multitude of devices out there IMHO.

Even on non-handheld devices, the screen resolutions are all over the
place. Without something that will adapt, you have to design for the
lowest common denominator and on most of today's desktop monitors that
means a lot of unused space.

Just my $.02...

Charles


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