Fusion crashes an the nod can not be opened

[Michael Menard]

Hi!

I use versioning with npower ot with fusion.

Sometimes fusion crahes when exiting. so from that point on

1. Fusion crashes with the project and can not be opend again
2. Npower crashes
3. all backups are crashing !!!!!!!!
+#@€

HEEEELP

[sandy@byuk.co.uk]

In article <ek7qvr$ca32@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>,
bulcar@ulteksystems.com says...
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> Hello Mike.
> I had something like that happen awhile ago. It scared the pants off =
> me. But since changing to an updated version it was more stable =
> (haven't tried THE latest yet). I do find it qwerky sometimes and it si =
> hard to pinpoint the exact sequence of events.
> Hang in it does work.
>
> Boris
> "Michael Menard" <Michael.Menard@uni-klu.ac.at> wrote in message =
> news:ek1j8n$j4810@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
> Hi!
>
> I use versioning with npower ot with fusion.
>
> Sometimes fusion crahes when exiting. so from that point on
>
> 1. Fusion crashes with the project and can not be opend again
> 2. Npower crashes
> 3. all backups are crashing !!!!!!!!
> +#@=E2=82=AC
>
> HEEEELP


If they just used zip files instead of whatever it is they use at least
you could use zipfix or something or find tools to extract what was
possible.

I've hated nod files ever since fusion V4 lost masses of work the first
time.

WHY NOT ZIP guys - you know it makes sense ?

sandy

[Boris]

Hello Mike.
I had something like that happen awhile ago. It scared the pants off me. But since changing to an updated version it was more stable (haven't tried THE latest yet). I do find it qwerky sometimes and it si hard to pinpoint the exact sequence of events.
Hang in it does work.

Boris
"Michael Menard" <Michael.Menard@uni-klu.ac.at> wrote in message news:ek1j8n$j4810@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
Hi!

I use versioning with npower ot with fusion.

Sometimes fusion crahes when exiting. so from that point on

1. Fusion crashes with the project and can not be opend again
2. Npower crashes
3. all backups are crashing !!!!!!!!
+#@€

HEEEELP

[Chuck «BeyondFusion»]

A nod file is a proprietary database. Not a method of file compression.

Fusion generates html code upon publishing. It doesn't store it in a
compressed file.

--
Chuck Joslin
BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
www.beyondfusion.com

Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com

<sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fd27e7072f318a298969d@news.netobjects.co m...
> In article <ek7qvr$ca32@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>,
> bulcar@ulteksystems.com says...
>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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>> charset="utf-8"
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>>
>> Hello Mike.
>> I had something like that happen awhile ago. It scared the pants off =
>> me. But since changing to an updated version it was more stable =
>> (haven't tried THE latest yet). I do find it qwerky sometimes and it si
>> =
>> hard to pinpoint the exact sequence of events.
>> Hang in it does work.
>>
>> Boris
>> "Michael Menard" <Michael.Menard@uni-klu.ac.at> wrote in message =
>> news:ek1j8n$j4810@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
>> Hi!
>>
>> I use versioning with npower ot with fusion.
>>
>> Sometimes fusion crahes when exiting. so from that point on
>>
>> 1. Fusion crashes with the project and can not be opend again
>> 2. Npower crashes
>> 3. all backups are crashing !!!!!!!!
>> +#@=E2=82=AC
>>
>> HEEEELP
>
>
> If they just used zip files instead of whatever it is they use at least
> you could use zipfix or something or find tools to extract what was
> possible.
>
> I've hated nod files ever since fusion V4 lost masses of work the first
> time.
>
> WHY NOT ZIP guys - you know it makes sense ?
>
> sandy

[sandy@byuk.co.uk]

In article <ek9r1a$jc52@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>,
supportno@spambeyondfusion.com says...
> A nod file is a proprietary database. Not a method of file compression.
>
> Fusion generates html code upon publishing. It doesn't store it in a
> compressed file.
>
>

And that is relevant to the problem or suggestion how?

Scrap nod files and use zip.

There is no reason not to and every reason to do so.

sandy

[Gary W Dumbleton]

Hi Sandy,

Like Chuck said it is a database.

The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files that
you would zip.

This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include the
files.

..nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.

Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
database structure.

Gary


<sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fd3f0325c595e1398969e@news.netobjects.co m...
> In article <ek9r1a$jc52@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>,
> supportno@spambeyondfusion.com says...
>> A nod file is a proprietary database. Not a method of file compression.
>>
>> Fusion generates html code upon publishing. It doesn't store it in a
>> compressed file.
>>
>>
>
> And that is relevant to the problem or suggestion how?
>
> Scrap nod files and use zip.
>
> There is no reason not to and every reason to do so.
>
> sandy

[sandy@byuk.co.uk]

In article <ekdf0k$1ej4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>, gary@gwd.net
says...
> Hi Sandy,
>
> Like Chuck said it is a database.
>
> The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files that
> you would zip.
>
> This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include the
> files.
>
> .nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.
>
> Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
> database structure.
>
> Gary
>

Nonsense.

..nod doesn't contain files?

Ok so write the file as plain text and zip it.
There is no excuse for not doing so.
Its the simple approach, its the most recoverable approach, it's the most
sensible approach.

..nod has repeatedly lost masses of data for many people. I've seen it
here frequently & god only knows a newsgroup is always the tip of any
iceberg.

Continued use of .nod files should be untenable to everyone.

sandy

[Chuck «BeyondFusion»]

A nod IS a file. Once again.... It's a database, not a collection of files.

As we've been trying to explain to you with apparently no success.

You can debate the use of a code generation database if you wish, but
zipping is certainly NOT the answer.

--
Chuck Joslin
BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
www.beyondfusion.com

Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com

<sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fd52aec60a2caa99896a0@news.netobjects.co m...
> In article <ekdf0k$1ej4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>, gary@gwd.net
> says...
>> Hi Sandy,
>>
>> Like Chuck said it is a database.
>>
>> The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files that
>> you would zip.
>>
>> This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include
>> the
>> files.
>>
>> .nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.
>>
>> Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
>> database structure.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>
> Nonsense.
>
> .nod doesn't contain files?
>
> Ok so write the file as plain text and zip it.
> There is no excuse for not doing so.
> Its the simple approach, its the most recoverable approach, it's the most
> sensible approach.
>
> .nod has repeatedly lost masses of data for many people. I've seen it
> here frequently & god only knows a newsgroup is always the tip of any
> iceberg.
>
> Continued use of .nod files should be untenable to everyone.
>
> sandy

[Dave@Web by Design, Inc.]

Sandy,

I'm afraid your lack of understanding on this subject is showing. Until you
understand what an NOD file is, why it's necessary, and that it's really a
GOOD thing, debating the pro's and con's with you is pointless. Just like
any database file, if it becomes corrupt there are big problems (which is
why the application makes frequent backups). But my experience through the
years is that the .NOD files are actually very stable (as long as you
following basic application usage rules).

You need to do a bit more research before you recommend that the whole
underlying technology behind the NOF product be scrapped. It's part of what
sets NOF apart from just an HTML editor.

Dave


<sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fd52aec60a2caa99896a0@news.netobjects.co m...
> In article <ekdf0k$1ej4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>, gary@gwd.net
> says...
>> Hi Sandy,
>>
>> Like Chuck said it is a database.
>>
>> The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files that
>> you would zip.
>>
>> This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include
>> the
>> files.
>>
>> .nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.
>>
>> Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
>> database structure.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>
> Nonsense.
>
> .nod doesn't contain files?
>
> Ok so write the file as plain text and zip it.
> There is no excuse for not doing so.
> Its the simple approach, its the most recoverable approach, it's the most
> sensible approach.
>
> .nod has repeatedly lost masses of data for many people. I've seen it
> here frequently & god only knows a newsgroup is always the tip of any
> iceberg.
>
> Continued use of .nod files should be untenable to everyone.
>
> sandy

[Nancy O]

If you Export site to Template, you get a zip file of the nod (database),
styles and assets used in your site.

When catastrophe strikes, a user can generally create a new site in NOF
based on their template zip in about 60 seconds. Problem is most new users
don't see the need for templates until it's too late. I think NOF should
prompt users to Export Sites to Templates every time a nod file is closed
(with an option to turn off the alert in site settings, of course).

--Nancy


<sandy@byuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fd52aec60a2caa99896a0@news.netobjects.co m...
> In article <ekdf0k$1ej4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com>, gary@gwd.net
> says...
> > Hi Sandy,
> >
> > Like Chuck said it is a database.
> >
> > The database is made up of one file, it is not a collection of files
that
> > you would zip.
> >
> > This one file has pointers to file locations, etc. but does not include
the
> > files.
> >
> > .nod is the extension to the proprietary database format of NOF.
> >
> > Hope this helps in your understanding on how NOF handles files and the
> > database structure.
> >
> > Gary
> >
>
> Nonsense.
>
> .nod doesn't contain files?
>
> Ok so write the file as plain text and zip it.
> There is no excuse for not doing so.
> Its the simple approach, its the most recoverable approach, it's the most
> sensible approach.
>
> .nod has repeatedly lost masses of data for many people. I've seen it
> here frequently & god only knows a newsgroup is always the tip of any
> iceberg.
>
> Continued use of .nod files should be untenable to everyone.
>
> sandy