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My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
G'day.
I Have just uploaded my updated version of my website,
And I am concerned that the page width is too wide.
What do you think? Do you think I'll get away with it?
www.CurlyCords.com.au
Any other other glaringly obvious problems that I have missed?
I was having trouble with the link colours.
Do they look OK?
Thanks for your help.
Paul.
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Re: My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:40:38 +1000, Paul Scott wrote:
> G'day.
> I Have just uploaded my updated version of my website,
> And I am concerned that the page width is too wide.
>
> What do you think? Do you think I'll get away with it?
>
> www.CurlyCords.com.au
>
> Any other other glaringly obvious problems that I have missed?
>
> I was having trouble with the link colours.
> Do they look OK?
Paul,
Not meaning to be rude here, but the biggest thing I see that is suboptimal
for you is that the site is VERY wide.
On a 1024x768 view (the largest that I design for BTW), much of your
premium web page content is cut off by the need to scroll right with a
horizontal scrollbar.
As much as I know you must like the animation on the left, it is dominating
the page and taking up the most precious part of it.
Here is something you should read about how visitors view web pages:
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/reading_pattern.html
I'd knock the page width down so that it fits a 1024x768 monitor without
the need of a horizontal scrollbar.
Then bring your animation down and beside the other image.
Visitors with normal width monitors just won't scroll right for the most
part (only if they are desperate to read the page contents).
Plus people buy wide screen monitors usually so they can have more than one
program open at the same time (or to work on something that requires
property palettes - like NOF ... not to see pages stretch out full width.
Your off to a good start and most likely the points I made were not
something you knew about before.
The good news is that such changes are easy to make in NOF!
:-)
Good luck on your projects!
Charles
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Re: My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
Hi Charles,
Yes, That is exactly what I was afraid of.
I have read about the reading patterns, but was not sure to believe it
or not.
Actually I agree with you about it being too wide.
I'm on a wide screen (actually two screens), and it looks pretty good
here, but I don't know what the general population uses. That's why I
ask.
So you think 1024 wide is OK?
Thanks for your advise.
It is appreciated.
Paul.
Charles Edmonds wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:40:38 +1000, Paul Scott wrote:
>
>> G'day.
>> I Have just uploaded my updated version of my website,
>> And I am concerned that the page width is too wide.
>>
>> What do you think? Do you think I'll get away with it?
>>
>> www.CurlyCords.com.au
>>
>> Any other other glaringly obvious problems that I have missed?
>>
>> I was having trouble with the link colours.
>> Do they look OK?
>
> Paul,
>
> Not meaning to be rude here, but the biggest thing I see that is suboptimal
> for you is that the site is VERY wide.
>
> On a 1024x768 view (the largest that I design for BTW), much of your
> premium web page content is cut off by the need to scroll right with a
> horizontal scrollbar.
>
> As much as I know you must like the animation on the left, it is dominating
> the page and taking up the most precious part of it.
>
> Here is something you should read about how visitors view web pages:
>
> http://www.useit.com/alertbox/reading_pattern.html
>
> I'd knock the page width down so that it fits a 1024x768 monitor without
> the need of a horizontal scrollbar.
>
> Then bring your animation down and beside the other image.
>
> Visitors with normal width monitors just won't scroll right for the most
> part (only if they are desperate to read the page contents).
>
> Plus people buy wide screen monitors usually so they can have more than one
> program open at the same time (or to work on something that requires
> property palettes - like NOF ... not to see pages stretch out full width.
>
> Your off to a good start and most likely the points I made were not
> something you knew about before.
>
> The good news is that such changes are easy to make in NOF!
>
> :-)
>
> Good luck on your projects!
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:16:50 +1000, Paul Scott wrote:
> I'm on a wide screen (actually two screens), and it looks pretty good
> here, but I don't know what the general population uses. That's why I
> ask.
>
> So you think 1024 wide is OK?
>
> Thanks for your advise.
> It is appreciated.
I design at 990 pixels wide.
That allows any page to display without the horizontal scrollbar on a
1024x768 resolution monitor (even if there are vertical scrollbars which
are expected).
But to be fair, you really have to consider what sort of hardware you
visitors may have.
If the target audience were expected to have older hardware, that might
drop your design resolution down to where it would fit on 800x600.
REALLY old hardware would be at 640x480, but thank goodness most of us
don't have to deal with that anymore<g>.
I used to design to 800x600 until about a year ago when the stats changed
to show that most people were using 1024x768.
Wide monitors are on the rise, but I suspect I'll stay at 1024x768 for a
long time.
The other factor to consider is the length of a line.
If it is too long, it becomes harder to read and people tend to skip
through it.
So even if you do design wider pages later on, you'd be better off to use
multiple columns to keep the line length short and easy to read.
Lastly when organizing your content, remember that the web is upside down
from printed media in how people use it.
In printed media, people tend to read it like a novel.
You have a great intro, a long drawn out series of details that paint a
vivid picture and a dramatic ending.
With the web, visitors are scanning.
When they first see a page or a section of content, they are looking for
the big finish FIRST.
IOW - when they land on a page, what they want to immediately get from it
is the answer to the question: "Is this what I was searching for?"
If the answer looks like a "yes", then they will read further down the
page.
This gives you a chance to lure them deeper into the content.
At that point your saying "Yes this will do what you want ... and here is a
top level statement that tells you WHY it will do what you want it to do".
Then (and only then) can you get into the gory (or sometimes dull<g>)
details about the content.
In fact often your better off to take them to a detail page about the
content with a "more..." link so that the rest of the content does not
overwhelm the user and force them to leave the page before you set the
hook<g>.
There are lots of good articles out there about writing for the web and
designing content for the web. Some are good, some are not so good, but
there are generally jewels that you can use in most of them.
Like most things in life (including advice from this group<g>) the best
plan is to ask for advice, listen to what folks have to suggest, follow the
leads and read up on it for yourself, then figure out what is relevant to
your situation and will work for you.
Then do only that<g>.
:-)
Charles
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Re: My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
G'day Paul
Yes 1024 width is the absolute minimum to design for now, so make your pages
1000 pixels wide to compensate for the vertical scrollbar. Make sure you
tick Center in Browser on the layout properties for all pages, and any wider
pages will automatically centre the page at 1000px
Carl
"Paul Scott" <PaulNOSPAMScott@premiumNOSPAMproductions.com> wrote in message
news:haul76$t39$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
> Hi Charles,
>
> Yes, That is exactly what I was afraid of.
>
> I have read about the reading patterns, but was not sure to believe it or
> not.
>
> Actually I agree with you about it being too wide.
>
> I'm on a wide screen (actually two screens), and it looks pretty good
> here, but I don't know what the general population uses. That's why I ask.
>
>
> So you think 1024 wide is OK?
>
> Thanks for your advise.
> It is appreciated.
>
> Paul.
>
>
> Charles Edmonds wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:40:38 +1000, Paul Scott wrote:
>>
>>> G'day.
>>> I Have just uploaded my updated version of my website,
>>> And I am concerned that the page width is too wide.
>>>
>>> What do you think? Do you think I'll get away with it?
>>>
>>> www.CurlyCords.com.au
>>>
>>> Any other other glaringly obvious problems that I have missed?
>>>
>>> I was having trouble with the link colours.
>>> Do they look OK?
>> Paul,
>>
>> Not meaning to be rude here, but the biggest thing I see that is
>> suboptimal
>> for you is that the site is VERY wide.
>>
>> On a 1024x768 view (the largest that I design for BTW), much of your
>> premium web page content is cut off by the need to scroll right with a
>> horizontal scrollbar.
>>
>> As much as I know you must like the animation on the left, it is
>> dominating
>> the page and taking up the most precious part of it.
>>
>> Here is something you should read about how visitors view web pages:
>>
>> http://www.useit.com/alertbox/reading_pattern.html
>>
>> I'd knock the page width down so that it fits a 1024x768 monitor without
>> the need of a horizontal scrollbar.
>>
>> Then bring your animation down and beside the other image.
>>
>> Visitors with normal width monitors just won't scroll right for the most
>> part (only if they are desperate to read the page contents).
>>
>> Plus people buy wide screen monitors usually so they can have more than
>> one
>> program open at the same time (or to work on something that requires
>> property palettes - like NOF ... not to see pages stretch out full width.
>>
>> Your off to a good start and most likely the points I made were not
>> something you knew about before.
>>
>> The good news is that such changes are easy to make in NOF!
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Good luck on your projects!
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
Charles Edmonds wrote:
>
> I used to design to 800x600 until about a year ago when the stats changed
> to show that most people were using 1024x768.
For now I stay with 800 x 600 because mobile devices become more
important and they have small monitor resolutions.
Peter
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Re: My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
Hello Carl
Thank you for your help.
Paul.
Carl Kruck wrote:
> G'day Paul
>
> Yes 1024 width is the absolute minimum to design for now, so make your
> pages 1000 pixels wide to compensate for the vertical scrollbar. Make
> sure you tick Center in Browser on the layout properties for all
> pages, and any wider pages will automatically centre the page at 1000px
>
> Carl
>
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Re: My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
Hello Peter.
Good Point.
Thank you for your help.
Paul.
Peter Eisenburger wrote:
> Charles Edmonds wrote:
>>
>> I used to design to 800x600 until about a year ago when the stats
>> changed
>> to show that most people were using 1024x768.
>
> For now I stay with 800 x 600 because mobile devices become more
> important and they have small monitor resolutions.
>
> Peter
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Re: My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
Hello Charles.
Wow...There is a LOT to think about there.
I Certainly appreciate your time you have taken to help me here.
Best regards
Paul.
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Re: My www.CurlyCords.com.au website is up. Is it OK?
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:41:49 +0200, Peter Eisenburger wrote:
> For now I stay with 800 x 600 because mobile devices become more
> important and they have small monitor resolutions.
I don't worry about it except on sites where the target audience is one
using pocket devices.
The NetBooks run at a 1024x??? resolution, so the 990 px works fine on
them.
IMHO websites that need to support smaller devices need to either be built
with a fluid layout that will adapt to the mobile device specifications, or
better yet have entirely separate pages of content that are laid out
especially for such devices.
I think it really comes down to knowing who the target visitor is expected
to be and designing accordingly.
A general purpose website that will do well on everything from a pocket
device to a regular computer is a difficult task to achieve.
But even there (issues like banners and images aside) it really comes back
to remembering to layout the site so that the "F Pattern" holds the most
valuable content.
Are we having fun yet<g>?
:-)
Charles
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