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    dwolf
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    My site is getting large.. is there a way to best optimize ?

    Divide it into a couple of files ?

    My guess is no... but thought I would ask

    www.jlfurniture.com

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    What do you mean by large? If it's >100 pages it would probably be best to divide it into separate nod files. It makes for easier site management, too, so is a Good Practice anyway. The other alternative is to move it into a database which will significantly reduce the number of pages. when I was at 3Com in '99 we reduced the size of 3com.com from 50,000 pages down to 10,000 by moving it into a database and building pages on the fly. Depends, of course, in how much experience you have in information architecture and database design.

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    Twayne
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    In news:k2vdtr$60p$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com,
    dwolf <jojonospam@hotmail.com> typed:

    > My site is getting large.. is there a way to best
    > optimize ?
    >
    > Divide it into a couple of files ?
    >
    > My guess is no... but thought I would ask
    >
    > www.jlfurniture.com


    http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/ might be of some help to you that way. sAMPLE OUTput for Symantec:

    Web Page Speed Report
    URL: http://www.symantec.com/index.jsp
    Title: Endpoint, Cloud, Mobile & Virtual Security Solutions | Symantec
    Date: Report run on Sat Sep 15 10:16:53EDT2012

    Diagnosis
    Global Statistics
    Total HTTP Requests: 45
    Total Size: 620203 bytes

    Object Size Totals
    Object type Size (bytes) Download @ 56K (seconds) Download @ T1 (seconds)
    HTML: 12919 2.77 0.27
    HTML Images: 527720 111.57 9.20
    CSS Images: 0 0.00 0.00
    Total Images: 527720 111.57 9.2
    Javascript: 79564 18.26 2.82
    CSS: 0 0.00 0.00
    Multimedia: 0 0.00 0.00
    Other: 0 0.00 0.00

    External Objects
    External Object QTY
    Total HTML: 1
    Total HTML Images: 32
    Total CSS Images: 0
    Total Images: 32
    Total Scripts: 12
    Total CSS imports: 0
    Total Frames: 0
    Total Iframes: 0

    Download Times*
    Connection Rate Download Time
    14.4K 489.69 seconds
    28.8K 249.34 seconds
    33.6K 215.01 seconds
    56K 132.61 seconds
    ISDN 128K 46.85 seconds
    T1 1.44Mbps 12.29 seconds

    *Note that these download times are based on the full connection rate for ISDN and T1 connections. Modem connections (56Kbps or less) are corrected by a packet loss factor of 0.7. All download times include delays due to round-trip latency with an average of 0.2 seconds per object. With 45 total objects for this page, that computes to a total lag time due to latency of 9 seconds. Note also that this download time calculation does not take into account delays due to XHTML parsing and rendering.

    Page Objects
    QTY SIZE# TYPE URL COMMENTS
    1 126855 IMG www.symantec.com ... -on-internet-hero-img.jpg Header size = 387 bytes
    1 48127 IMG www.symantec.com ... /header/cart-icon-off.png Header size = 386 bytes
    1 46219 IMG www.symantec.com ... essaging-gateway-hero.jpg Header size = 386 bytes
    1 40656 IMG www.symantec.com ... t-sc-flyout-promo-img.jpg Header size = 386 bytes
    1 39752 IMG www.symantec.com ... ghp/ghp_N360E_721x341.png Header size = 384 bytes
    1 34856 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... y/jquery-1.7.2.min.js?... Header size = 447 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    1 32512 IMG www.symantec.com ... /ghp-norton-2013-hero.jpg Header size = 386 bytes
    1 24997 IMG www.symantec.com ... t-sr-flyout-promo-img.jpg Header size = 385 bytes
    1 19699 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... pt/omniture/s_code.js?... Header size = 446 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    1 13975 IMG www.symantec.com ... sign-ssl-flyout-promo.jpg Header size = 386 bytes
    1 13651 IMG www.symantec.com ... small-business-img-bg.jpg Header size = 386 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 12919 HTML http://www.symantec.com/index.jsp Header size = 368 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    View a formatted version of this HTML file
    1 12463 IMG www.symantec.com ... /security-response-bg.gif Header size = 385 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 12417 IMG www.symantec.com ... /ghp/SupportCommunity.jpg Header size = 386 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 12220 IMG www.symantec.com ... verlay-partner-img-bg.jpg Header size = 386 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 12140 IMG www.symantec.com ... ghp/ProductsSolutions.jpg Header size = 386 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 11768 IMG www.symantec.com ... n-internet-hero-thumb.jpg Header size = 385 bytes
    1 11306 IMG www.symantec.com ... cryption-flyout-promo.jpg Header size = 385 bytes
    1 10756 IMG www.symantec.com ... lay-enterprise-img-bg.jpg Header size = 385 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 10712 IMG www.symantec.com ... erlay-consumer-img-bg.jpg Header size = 386 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 8864 IMG www.symantec.com ... _N360Ethumb_on_208x80.png Header size = 383 bytes
    1 8205 IMG www.symantec.com ... orton-2013-hero-thumb.jpg Header size = 385 bytes
    1 6955 SCRIPT http://www.symantec.com/scripts/gomez/gtagb.js?... Header size = 445 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    1 6201 IMG www.symantec.com ... ng-gateway-hero-thumb.jpg Header size = 385 bytes
    1 5598 IMG www.symantec.com ... version-3/ghp/News-BG.jpg Header size = 385 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 4990 IMG www.symantec.com ... /segment-overlay-logo.png Header size = 385 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 4503 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... /search/google-min.js?... Header size = 445 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    1 4147 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... olorbox-1.3.19-min.js?... Header size = 445 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    1 4043 IMG www.symantec.com ... es/version-3/symantec.gif Header size = 384 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 3494 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... ion-3/symantec-min.js?... Header size = 445 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    1 3457 IMG www.symantec.com ... header/globe-icon-off.png Header size = 384 bytes
    1 3026 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... t/omniture/om_code.js?... Header size = 445 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    1 1726 IMG www.symantec.com ... dia-icons/google-plus.png Header size = 383 bytes
    1 1400 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... isignsealimage-min.js?... Header size = 445 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    4 962 IMG www.symantec.com ... ent-overlay-cta-arrow.png Header size = 382 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 738 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... ipts/icrossing/i2a.js?... Header size = 443 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    1 711 IMG www.symantec.com ... al-media-icons/rss-on.png Header size = 382 bytes
    2 642 IMG www.symantec.com ... arrow-circle-right-on.gif Header size = 383 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 642 IMG www.symantec.com ... /arrow-circle-left-on.gif Header size = 383 bytes
    Missing width attribute.
    Missing height attribute.
    1 608 IMG www.symantec.com ... edia-icons/twitter-on.png Header size = 381 bytes
    1 502 IMG www.symantec.com ... dia-icons/facebook-on.png Header size = 381 bytes
    1 356 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... rsion-3/ticker-min.js?... Header size = 443 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    1 347 SCRIPT www.symantec.com ... version-3/hero-min.js?... Header size = 443 bytes
    Congratulations! This file was compressed.
    2 43 SCRIPT om.symantec.com ... onconsumer/1/H.24.1--NS/0 Header size = 1280 bytes
    Up to 4 bytes could have been saved through compression.
    2 43 IMG om.symantec.com ... onconsumer/1/H.24.1--NS/0 Header size = 1280 bytes
    45 ^ 620203* Total (^unique objects)

    # Congratulations. This site is using HTTP compression, otherwise called content encoding using gzip. The sizes reported here are for compressed content sent from the server to the client.

    * CSS alternate stylesheets may be referenced in the HTML but are not actually downloaded until they are needed and are therefore not included in the total page size.

    Analysis and Recommendations
    a.. TOTAL_HTML - Congratulations, the total number of HTML files on this page (including the main HTML file) is 1 which most browsers can multithread. Minimizing HTTP requests is key for web site optimization. Y
    b.. TOTAL_OBJECTS - Warning! The total number of objects on this page is 45 which by their number will dominate web page delay. Consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Above 20 objects per page the overhead from dealing with the actual objects (description time and wait time) accounts for more than 80% of whole page latency. See Figure II-3: Relative distribution of latency components showing that object overhead dominates web page latency in Website Optimization Secrets for more details on how object overhead dominates web page latency. Combine, refine, and optimize your external objects. Replace graphic rollovers with CSS rollovers to speed display and minimize HTTP requests. Consider using CSS sprites to help consolidate decorative images. Using CSS techniques such as colored backgrounds, borders, or spacing instead of graphic techniques can reduce HTTP requests. Replace graphic text headers with CSS text headers to further reduce HTTP requests. Finally, consider optimizing parallel downloads by using different hostnames or a CDN to reduce object overhead.
    c.. TOTAL_IMAGES - Warning! The total number of images on this page is 32 , consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Recommend combining, replacing, and optimizing your graphics. Replace graphic rollover menus with CSS rollover menus to speed display and minimize HTTP requests. Consider using CSS sprites to help consolidate decorative images. Use CSS techniques such as colored backgrounds, borders, or spacing instead of graphic techniques to reduce HTTP requests. Replace graphic text headers with CSS text headers to further reduce HTTP requests. Finally, consider optimizing parallel downloads by using different hostnames to reduce object overhead.
    d.. TOTAL_SIZE - Warning! The total size of this page is 620203 bytes, which will load in 132.61 seconds on a 56Kbps modem. Consider reducing total page size to less than 100K to achieve sub 20 second response times on 56K connections. Pages over 100K exceed most attention thresholds at 56Kbps, even with feedback. Consider optimizing your site with Website Optimization Secrets, Speed Up Your Site or contacting us about our optimization services.
    e.. TOTAL_SCRIPT - Warning! The total number of external script files on this page is 12 , consider reducing this to a more reasonable number. Combine, refactor, and minify to optimize your JavaScript files. Ideally you should have one (or even embed scripts for high-traffic pages) on your pages. Consider suturing JavaScript files together at the server to minimize HTTP requests. Placing external JavaScript files at the bottom of your BODY, and CSS files in the HEAD enables progressive display in XHTML web pages.
    f.. HTML_SIZE - Congratulations, the total size of this HTML file is 12919 bytes, which less than 50K. Assuming that you specify the HEIGHT and WIDTH of your images, this size allows your HTML to display content in under 10 seconds, the average time users are willing to wait for a page to display without feedback.
    g.. IMAGES_SIZE - Warning! The total size of your images is 527720 bytes, which is over 100K. Consider switch graphic formats to achive smaller file sizes (from JPEG to PNG for example). Finally, substitute CSS techniques for graphics techniques to create colored borders, backgrounds, and spacing.
    h.. SCRIPT_SIZE - Warning! The total size of external your scripts is 79564 bytes, which is over 20K. Consider optimizing your JavaScript for size, combining them, and using HTTP compression where appropriate for any scripts placed in the HEAD of your documents. You can substitute CSS menus for JavaScript-based menus to minimize or even eliminate the use of JavaScript.
    i.. MULTIM_SIZE - Congratulations, the total size of all your external multimedia files is 0 bytes, which is less than 10K.
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  4. #4
    dwolf
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    I have 170 pages... not sure how to break it up and if it’s needed ?
    Sometimes I make changes that effect all the pages..
    "franko" wrote in message news:franko.5iwos0@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com...


    What do you mean by large? If it's >100 pages it would probably be best
    to divide it into separate nod files. It makes for easier site
    management, too, so is a Good Practice anyway. The other alternative is
    to move it into a database which will significantly reduce the number of
    pages. when I was at 3Com in '99 we reduced the size of 3com.com from
    50,000 pages down to 10,000 by moving it into a database and building
    pages on the fly. Depends, of course, in how much experience you have in
    information architecture and database design.


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