optimizing destroys site!

[werbemaxe]

Hi there,
I have a very large site, which I started with .. don't remember.. Fusion 1 or 2 or so.. and moved it through the years, version 7, 8, MX, .. and so on up to Version XII. I always moved it the proper way by saving the template file etc.

My site has 1500+ pages and I know, everybody told me here, that Fusion normally doesn't support these big sites.

However, I HAVE Fusion and used to work with it and won't switch to Dreamweaver or any CMS or else right now. So, I HAVE TO find some workarounds.

First, I wanted to re-optimize my site. However, Fusion found some "damaged objects", which totally destroyed my site. I used the former backup file and forgot about "optimizing"! ;-)

I have checked all assets, all are fine.

When I move from one page to the other, sometimes it takes several hours. I cannot continue working like this. I know, with 1500+ pages, I should consider any other program or CMS, but right now, I don't have the time to implement all this into another program. So I have to stick with Fusion, even though I get crazy sometimes!!

I have many picture galleries in my site, I would say around 100 or so, using the "old" NOF picture gallery.

I have read that the picture galleries are used external and slow down Fusion. I also think that the MLR or what they are called slow it down. I have some of them.

You can check my site at: www.sardiniatravel.net

ANY help would be appreciated how I could speed up my Fusion!! I really need it for my work and right now I can hardly use it. I cannot wait some hours to change from one page to another....

What other picture galleries could I use? External, such as jalbum or something? I would really like an internal solution...

And I cannot optimize the site and end up with damaged objects which I have to re-install/create then. It costs me too much time...

By the way.. the optimization process takes a night or so.... :-((

Thanks, marc

[Twayne]

In news:werbemaxe.5pgqln@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com,
werbemaxe <werbemaxe.5pgqln@no-mx.forums.netobjects.com> typed:
> Hi there,
> I have a very large site, which I started with .. don't
> remember.. Fusion 1 or 2 or so.. and moved it through the
> years, version 7, 8, MX, . and so on up to Version XII. I
> always moved it the proper way by saving the template
> file etc.
>
> My site has 1500+ pages and I know, everybody told me
> here, that Fusion normally doesn't support these big
> sites.
>
> However, I HAVE Fusion and used to work with it and won't
> switch to Dreamweaver or any CMS or else right now. So, I
> HAVE TO find some workarounds.
>
> First, I wanted to re-optimize my site. However, Fusion
> found some "damaged objects", which totally destroyed my
> site. I used the former backup file and forgot about
> "optimizing"! ;-)
>
> I have checked all assets, all are fine.
>
> When I move from one page to the other, sometimes it
> takes several hours. I cannot continue working like this.
> I know, with 1500+ pages, I should consider any other
> program or CMS, but right now, I don't have the time to
> implement all this into another program. So I have to
> stick with Fusion, even though I get crazy sometimes!!

That time is totally unacceptable! Not in any way!

How often do you reoptimize? I do it after every major change and never
have a problem with the sites I created from Scratch. But my largest site is
around 500 pages.
One thought that comes to me is to make a good template, save it
somewhere safe (CD?) and begin removing pages until it WILL reoptimize.
Once you have reoptimize working, begin adding back the pages a few at a
time and keep re-optimizing after each, say, 10 or 20 pages are added back.
With 1500+ pages, keep track of how many pages DO reoptimize; you might
find there is a size limit, but I've never heard anyone say that. I hear
"generalites" about large sites, but haven't come across anything
definitive.
IME, if you regularly do re-optimizes you won't run into problems. But if
you wait too long, NOF gets stressed and screws up.
There's also the possibility I suppose that you did a paste from a
website or word-processor document and picked up unintended code which I
know can cause problems.

Once I "fixed" one by simply cold-gooting and making NOF the first program
opened, then immediately do the Assets thing, and re-optimized. For whatever
reason, it worked.

>
> I have many picture galleries in my site, I would say
> around 100 or so, using the "old" NOF picture gallery.

I use NOF galleries too, though I know a lot use add-ons or separate
scripting programs, but NOF makes it so easy. I DO stay away from the Flash
choices though.

>
> I have read that the picture galleries are used external
> and slow down Fusion. I also think that the MLR or what
> they are called slow it down. I have some of them.

I can 't speak for external picture galleries since I don't use them, but
the slow down from MLRs is barely noticeable.
>
> You can check my site at: www.sardiniatravel.net

Good looking site. And, it loaded pretty fast too, considering all the
graphics on the Home Page.
>
> ANY help would be appreciated how I could speed up my
> Fusion!! I really need it for my work and right now I can
> hardly use it. I cannot wait some hours to change from
> one page to another....

No, that's ridculous times you mentioned. There si somethiing else wrong;
I'd guess corrupted files, corrupted site pages, bad pastes, something like
that.

You could try making a current Template export and then uninstall /
reinstall NOF-12 and any updates. Make Update the first thing you do when
you first open the newly installed program.

Once up to date (you shouldn't lose your website, but even if you do, you
have that Template you made to fall back on).

Failing that, perhaps an OS "in place" reinstall might help. The in-place
install smiply recopies files to the boot drive and doesn't affect any data.
I'm on XP Pro SP3+, BTW. Haven't tried it yet on my win-7 laptop.

>
> What other picture galleries could I use? External, such
> as jalbum or something? I would really like an internal
> solution...
>
> And I cannot optimize the site and end up with damaged
> objects which I have to re-install/create then. It costs
> me too much time...

Agreed; I've ttied to stick to things that might waste your time if they
don't work (I think they will) but t's a hell of a lot less time than it
sounds like you're expending now. Time is definitely money!

>
> By the way.. the optimization process takes a night or
> so.... :-((

That sounds excessive, even for a 1500+ page site. My current site, abt 130
pages, takes far less than a minute to re-optimize.

Once choice you do have is to split your site into 2 or more "pieces" that
can be developed/maintained separately from each other. 3 pieces would give
you ~500 pages per, so if size is an issue, this might "fix" it. From your
site menu, it doesn't look like it would be too hard to split the site that
way.

>
> Thanks, marc

That site-damage durnig re-optimizing happens to smaller sites too, in my
experience. The only "culprit" I've found is not using re-optimize often
enough; apparently the process can become so unweildly NOF just cannot
handle it?

HTH,

Twayne`

[werbemaxe]

Hi Twayne, thanks for your help. I will now re-optimize the site, whatever its outcome is and whatever long it takes. And then... delete the destroyed pages and create then new. You are right, I loose more time using Fusion right now than I would spend in create the damaged pages new and use the optimized site.

I'll let you know. thanks.

[franko]

I'd strongly recommend splitting the site up into sections, each section being a separate .nod file. You can open two iterations of NoF at the same time and copy and paste between them. It will probably be much quicker in the long run to do this. Then, if you find one of the sections is still running slowly, you'll know there's a problem in that section and can then start dividing that up into different sections until you find the culprit. Meanwhile your site is still operational.

And I'd also recommend gradually swapping your galleries for JQuery galleries. Visual LightBox is the one I use because it's very easy to create and embed galleries into NoF.

[werbemaxe]

just one question though...

Above the content window I have a row with the tabs of all open pages. Well.. there are many many open pages. Does this influence the resources or performance of Fusion? Should I close all those tabs?

thanks, marc

[gotFusion]

The tabs are retained so that you can easily go from page to page when you are working. You could close them and use the site navigation palette to move around from page to page.

You should consider going to a data driven site. I worked with a site that had close to 1000 static pages back in the Fusion 4 days and had the same problems you are having. I moved to using coldfusion and MS sql server and the site went down to 5 display pages which showed the 1000 pages of content. Maintenance is now done with a web browser and admin section instead of a of software.

If you do not wish to invest the time or funds into creating a data driven web site the suggestion to break the site up into individual sections should be followed.

[werbemaxe]

Mike, I have already tried several CMS, including Joomla, Typo3, Wordpress... but all got a visit from hackers, even though I had always installed the latest release. I cannot afford that my site is down or broken or hijacked or whatsoever...
So, I switched back to Fusion, even though it's a pain in the ass. ;-)

I am now deleting all galleries (I have about 100 galleries in my site, using the standard fusion gallery, old style) and replacing them with visualLightBox. Maybe this helps a bit...

thanks, marc

[gotFusion]

Mike, I have already tried several CMS, including Joomla, Typo3, Wordpress... but all got a visit from hackers, even though I had always installed the latest release. I cannot afford that my site is down or broken or hijacked or whatsoever...
So, I switched back to Fusion, even though it's a pain in the ass. ;-)

I am now deleting all galleries (I have about 100 galleries in my site, using the standard fusion gallery, old style) and replacing them with visualLightBox. Maybe this helps a bit...

thanks, marc

If you have a lot of galleries you can thin down the program over head by using a 3rd party program that displays image galleries for you.

You might want to take a look at one of the "folder galleries" where you just plop your images into a folder, point to it, and shazam instant gallery

A quick google search brought me this one

http://quickgallery.jv2.net/

Google for "php folder gallery" for more

[werbemaxe]

Mike, but that's exactly what I wrote!! Have you read my answer? I wrote "I am now deleting all galleries ... and replacing them with visualLightBox." This IS a 3rd party program and I just put an iframe in the page instead of a real gallery. This should help a bit, right?!

[gotFusion]

Mike, but that's exactly what I wrote!! Have you read my answer? I wrote "I am now deleting all galleries ... and replacing them with visualLightBox." This IS a 3rd party program and I just put an iframe in the page instead of a real gallery. This should help a bit, right?!

Right.

Still take a look at the folder gallery option. It will save you days of work and make changing images in galleries as easy as deleting and replacing just the image