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    Quote Originally Posted by franko View Post
    Mate, no offence taken. And at 65 I also get my dates out of whack sometimes.


    To answer your question, though, let me put it this way. Before they surprised me and brought out 2013, I was investigating the alternatives. As most of my work now is pro-bono for the Kingdom, I can't afford to spend a lot of time hand-coding as I'm no longer on a billable hourly rate. I was about to make the jump to something else (WYSIWYG Web Builder) when out came 2013 with its html 5 and css3 output (yes, and a bunch of bugs) and made me stay with NO. I've converted a bunch of sites to NO without any real problems (some irritations, certainly, but nothing that would make me move sites to another platform).

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    Hi There franko.....

    Bronco Here...... I am Previewing WYSIWYG Web Builder .... Very Powerful App.... As is NOF..... Also they are abnormally Similar in my Opinion.... Almost like one is a Knock Off of the Other...... Do you know any History behind This Similarity?

    Also would You care to Share why you Picked NOF over WYSIWYG Web Builder?

    Have a Good One....................
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    I've been using NoF since it was in beta so I'm very familiar with it. I did also buy wysiwyg but because it used absolute positioning it wasn't what I wanted and I couldn't find anything it could do that NoF couldn't. However, I believe the latest version now outputs html 5 and css 3 although I haven't tried it and see no need to upgrade.

    The future lies in responsive web design and I haven't yet found any code generator that does this. IMHO the first will have the opportunity to grab an enormous market share and I'm sure all the software companies are trying to figure out how to do it. Not easy, though, as you really need to have manual control over the code and if you can do that, you don't need a code generator.

    IMHO it's horses for courses. No one program does it all. I use NoF for small, brochureware sites where unique design is important. I use Artisteer to develop wordpress themes together with BlueGriffon for manually writing code. I also use a whole bunch of other programs for specialised tasks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franko View Post
    I couldn't find anything it could do that NoF couldn't.
    I don't get that one franko, WWB has a ton more features that grows through an ever growing list of extensions, plus layering and forms are effortless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franko View Post
    I've been using NoF since it was in beta so I'm very familiar with it. I did also buy wysiwyg but because it used absolute positioning it wasn't what I wanted and I couldn't find anything it could do that NoF couldn't. However, I believe the latest version now outputs html 5 and css 3 although I haven't tried it and see no need to upgrade.

    The future lies in responsive web design and I haven't yet found any code generator that does this. IMHO the first will have the opportunity to grab an enormous market share and I'm sure all the software companies are trying to figure out how to do it. Not easy, though, as you really need to have manual control over the code and if you can do that, you don't need a code generator.

    IMHO it's horses for courses. No one program does it all. I use NoF for small, brochureware sites where unique design is important. I use Artisteer to develop wordpress themes together with BlueGriffon for manually writing code. I also use a whole bunch of other programs for specialised tasks.
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    I also bought WWB a couple of years back. It's fine for a purely static "brochure" type website. My big gripe about it is, as Franko says, absolute positioning. There is no (easy*) way to incorporate dynamic content that may change the length of the page. Incorporating a news script, for example, where articles may be of different lengths is (almost*) impossible. The longer content simply overlaps whatever you've placed lower on the page.

    The standard support response of "If it did that it wouldn't be WYSIWYG" is disingenuous, IMO.

    What typically happens with the usual "solutions" is you get scroll bars so your "box" doesn't have to change in size. I've seen WWB sites with 4 or 5 scroll bars on a single page to accommodate all of the content.


    * There were a couple of advanced (complicated) techniques proposed to accommodate expanding content. Without being an expert at WWB already, they were impossible to test. The effort to learn WWB just to test the solution with the strong possibility that it didn't really work was too much for me. If I'm going to hunker down and learn something new, I'll learn Dreamweaver or really dig into HTML/CSS/Javascript and use Notepad++ like all the "real" web designers do.
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    I have just had a look at the spec for WYSIWYG WebBuilder 9. It looks very impressive. Says it can do responsive and has loads of extensions too. I particularly like the MySQL ones.

    I may download the trial and see if I can do my most difficult stuff with it. Finding time will be my problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RayC View Post
    I also bought WWB a couple of years back. It's fine for a purely static "brochure" type website. My big gripe about it is, as Franko says, absolute positioning. There is no (easy*) way to incorporate dynamic content that may change the length of the page. Incorporating a news script, for example, where articles may be of different lengths is (almost*) impossible. The longer content simply overlaps whatever you've placed lower on the page.
    I am Not sure what Dynamic Content is????? Could you post a Link that might define Dynamic Content to me.....

    Then I will use the CURRENT Trial Version of WWB to Try and Replicate Dynamic Content...... I will then Post my Success or Failure...........

    Also there is NO CHANCE in Hell I will ever Hand Code or Use low level editors to Build Websites...... Life is Too Short to use Stone Age Techniques for the Sake of Aesthetics...............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritch View Post
    I have just had a look at the spec for WYSIWYG WebBuilder 9. It looks very impressive. Says it can do responsive and has loads of extensions too. I particularly like the MySQL ones.

    I may download the trial and see if I can do my most difficult stuff with it. Finding time will be my problem.

    WYSIWYG WebBuilder 9 Is Very Very Similar to NOF...... Thus Very Very Easy to Learn and Use.......

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    I picked Fusion because it was old school, in a time when BBS were still around fusion offered the ONLY and BEST web building software in the market.

    I just looked at WYSIWYG web builder and I am going to try it, The ONLY reason for me running fusion was that old client also ran it, and they simply were the best for the longest time. I reluctantly HAVE to lose my faith in this product if new management doesn't bring it back to the states and place a reasonable effort into making it functional, that's why I am hoping someone says something encouraging about fusion 13.

    WWB also boast css and html5, I have to try it myself when I get a chance, the lack of dynamic abilities is one feature that always worked in Fusion, hey I said something positive about fusion!!!, But that was one of the features I like.

    Dynamic in context to fusion means, if you change the Master border for example in a series of pages they can all be changed at one, if you add a frame it can be placed in all the pages you select at one, this saves time and effort, also the build in code generator in fusion allows people with various browsers to enjoy the experience of special details you add to your website transparently, in fact that option is referred to as "dynamic" pages structures.


    Dynamic basically lets your structures ADAPT to new environments and request with ease, in this arena fusion hasn't yet FU&#^$ up its inventors designs, however its "add -ons" like e-commerce, Video and picture many times do not conform to one of there powerhouse features of dynamic design and I ALWAYS find myself shirinking picture inserts, watching video inserts crap out the display, it worked in fusion mx, don't know why they turned that into crap as well in later version.

    Thank you guys for input on this matter, I still have time to decide whether to go 2013 fusion or wait for 2014 fusion, CAN anyone tell me if the OWNERS (which change frequently) Of fusion are better than the last ones!!!

    Whether fusion 13 is coded by 1st world programmers of 3rd, 4th 5th world programmers (*soon maybe off world programmers), this is important since it reflects on whether a solution to issues are delt with professionally or just bounced around forever in the rice patty.

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco Billy View Post
    I am Not sure what Dynamic Content is????? Could you post a Link that might define Dynamic Content to me.....
    Dynamic Content is anything that is not Static Content. If you have a script that pulls information in from a database and displays it on demand, that would be 'dynamic'.

    I gave the example of a News Script. You might show a headline on the page that is pulled in from a database. Click on the headline, and the full story loads from the database and is displayed. Obviously the headline will take up less space than the full story. So any content below this must shift down to accommodate. Generally this doesn't happen in WWB. What you get is an article that overlaps, say, your page footer or any content that may be lower on the page. Or you get a box with a scroll bar.
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