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  1. #1
    BeachApe
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    Default Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF

    I set up editable regions in the body of the webpage leaving everything in
    the master borders as my control, namely the navigation being in the master
    borders so adding or deleting page keeps that part easy.
    Just wondering how any cushy or surreal users deal with that task after a
    client had made some edits. If I add or delete a page, I need to republish
    all pages reflecting the new navigation - but first I have to go to the
    'live' site and copy and paste everything into NOF, then publish (because I
    can't publish just the master borders?)
    Seems I periodically miss something and my client has to redo their edits.
    It's creating grief for both of us (even when it's just a simple break in a
    text line - they say it's messing *their* layout).





  2. #2
    Adrian
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    Default Re: Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF

    HI

    How about making the CushyCMS section a stand-alone page -
    and include it into 'your' page using an Iframe....

    To make it even more 'idiot-proof' - put the Cushy page into a different
    domain - so you can't accidentally do a 'publish all' and wipe out
    the client's carefully crafted prose... (don't ask me how I know! <g>)

    Adrian

    BeachApe wrote:
    > I set up editable regions in the body of the webpage leaving everything in
    > the master borders as my control, namely the navigation being in the master
    > borders so adding or deleting page keeps that part easy.
    > Just wondering how any cushy or surreal users deal with that task after a
    > client had made some edits. If I add or delete a page, I need to republish
    > all pages reflecting the new navigation - but first I have to go to the
    > 'live' site and copy and paste everything into NOF, then publish (because I
    > can't publish just the master borders?)
    > Seems I periodically miss something and my client has to redo their edits.
    > It's creating grief for both of us (even when it's just a simple break in a
    > text line - they say it's messing *their* layout).
    >
    >
    >
    >


  3. #3
    BeachApe
    Guest

    Default Re: Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF

    Thanks Adrian - you have my brains working in the right now. I haven't used
    Cushy for a while, but assuming Surreal is just about the same, I like to
    take NOF's CSS code and copy/paste it into the CMS so the client pretty much
    has WYSIWYG while editing.

    Trying to wrap my head around a work flow;
    Design the total site as per norm, then export off a template. Open the
    template and change it to ZeroBorders. This way I keep the already
    established CSS and I just now change the page name for each page (say add
    'cms' to the end of the current page name). Publish
    Now go back to original site and set up the iframes to the cms pages.

    Jiggers! I think you saved my bacon Adrian. I'll give it try this weekend.

    -BA


    "Adrian" <adrian@inspired-glass.com> wrote in message
    news:hi0851$fu6$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    > HI
    >
    > How about making the CushyCMS section a stand-alone page -
    > and include it into 'your' page using an Iframe....
    >
    > To make it even more 'idiot-proof' - put the Cushy page into a different
    > domain - so you can't accidentally do a 'publish all' and wipe out
    > the client's carefully crafted prose... (don't ask me how I know! <g>)
    >
    > Adrian
    >
    > BeachApe wrote:
    >> I set up editable regions in the body of the webpage leaving everything
    >> in the master borders as my control, namely the navigation being in the
    >> master borders so adding or deleting page keeps that part easy.
    >> Just wondering how any cushy or surreal users deal with that task after a
    >> client had made some edits. If I add or delete a page, I need to
    >> republish all pages reflecting the new navigation - but first I have to
    >> go to the 'live' site and copy and paste everything into NOF, then
    >> publish (because I can't publish just the master borders?)
    >> Seems I periodically miss something and my client has to redo their
    >> edits. It's creating grief for both of us (even when it's just a simple
    >> break in a text line - they say it's messing *their* layout).
    >>
    >>




  4. #4
    Trimdoner
    Guest

    Default Re: Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF

    Adrians idea is probably easiest to implement - I use the same system using
    Toko Edit.
    I have a subdirectory of plain vanilla pages with Toko cms code on them, and
    pull them into the main NOF site using iframes, set to autoscroll in case
    the content exceeds the space allocated.
    I just used zero margin pages ( a small separate .nod file), with the Toko
    code in a resizable text box. Publish settings were changed to flat so that
    all the pages were in the same folder.

    Here's a simple example - the results and fixtures on the page are handled
    solely by the customer concerned, without any input from me.
    http://spenny-league.co.uk

    Ken

    "BeachApe" <point@target.com> wrote in message
    news:hi0eet$iu1$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    > Thanks Adrian - you have my brains working in the right now. I haven't
    > used Cushy for a while, but assuming Surreal is just about the same, I
    > like to take NOF's CSS code and copy/paste it into the CMS so the client
    > pretty much has WYSIWYG while editing.
    >
    > Trying to wrap my head around a work flow;
    > Design the total site as per norm, then export off a template. Open the
    > template and change it to ZeroBorders. This way I keep the already
    > established CSS and I just now change the page name for each page (say add
    > 'cms' to the end of the current page name). Publish
    > Now go back to original site and set up the iframes to the cms pages.
    >
    > Jiggers! I think you saved my bacon Adrian. I'll give it try this weekend.
    >
    > -BA
    >
    >
    > "Adrian" <adrian@inspired-glass.com> wrote in message
    > news:hi0851$fu6$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >> HI
    >>
    >> How about making the CushyCMS section a stand-alone page -
    >> and include it into 'your' page using an Iframe....
    >>
    >> To make it even more 'idiot-proof' - put the Cushy page into a different
    >> domain - so you can't accidentally do a 'publish all' and wipe out
    >> the client's carefully crafted prose... (don't ask me how I know! <g>)
    >>
    >> Adrian
    >>
    >> BeachApe wrote:
    >>> I set up editable regions in the body of the webpage leaving everything
    >>> in the master borders as my control, namely the navigation being in the
    >>> master borders so adding or deleting page keeps that part easy.
    >>> Just wondering how any cushy or surreal users deal with that task after
    >>> a client had made some edits. If I add or delete a page, I need to
    >>> republish all pages reflecting the new navigation - but first I have to
    >>> go to the 'live' site and copy and paste everything into NOF, then
    >>> publish (because I can't publish just the master borders?)
    >>> Seems I periodically miss something and my client has to redo their
    >>> edits. It's creating grief for both of us (even when it's just a simple
    >>> break in a text line - they say it's messing *their* layout).
    >>>
    >>>

    >
    >



  5. #5
    Ray Campbell
    Guest

    Default Re: Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF


    "BeachApe" <point@target.com> wrote in message
    news:hi07o3$fte$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >I set up editable regions in the body of the webpage leaving everything in
    >the master borders as my control, namely the navigation being in the master
    >borders so adding or deleting page keeps that part easy.
    > Just wondering how any cushy or surreal users deal with that task after a
    > client had made some edits. If I add or delete a page, I need to republish
    > all pages reflecting the new navigation - but first I have to go to the
    > 'live' site and copy and paste everything into NOF, then publish (because
    > I can't publish just the master borders?)
    > Seems I periodically miss something and my client has to redo their edits.
    > It's creating grief for both of us (even when it's just a simple break in
    > a text line - they say it's messing *their* layout).


    Wouldn't selecting "Publish Changed Assets Only" solve this? NOF would check
    against your last published copy on your local machine, and not necessarily
    what's on the server.

    I don't know if this would apply to text, but might be worth some
    experimenting...

    -RayC


  6. #6
    Jerry Reneau
    Guest

    Default Re: Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF

    I use CushySMS for a few sites..works good. I also use Likno Allwebmenu
    builder..
    So if I have to update the navigation on a site all I have to do is update
    the menu file in Allwebmenu and download the updated menu.js file to the
    site. It will update the navigation on the entire site..without downloading
    any of the html pages...so you don't lose any for the clients changes.......


    Hope this helps

    jar






    "BeachApe" <point@target.com> wrote in message
    news:hi07o3$fte$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >I set up editable regions in the body of the webpage leaving everything in
    >the master borders as my control, namely the navigation being in the master
    >borders so adding or deleting page keeps that part easy.
    > Just wondering how any cushy or surreal users deal with that task after a
    > client had made some edits. If I add or delete a page, I need to republish
    > all pages reflecting the new navigation - but first I have to go to the
    > 'live' site and copy and paste everything into NOF, then publish (because
    > I can't publish just the master borders?)
    > Seems I periodically miss something and my client has to redo their edits.
    > It's creating grief for both of us (even when it's just a simple break in
    > a text line - they say it's messing *their* layout).
    >
    >
    >
    >




  7. #7
    BeachApe
    Guest

    Default Re: Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF

    "Ray Campbell" <crayz@SPAMMENOT.amonavi.com> wrote in message

    > Wouldn't selecting "Publish Changed Assets Only" solve this? NOF would
    > check against your last published copy on your local machine, and not
    > necessarily what's on the server.
    >
    > I don't know if this would apply to text, but might be worth some
    > experimenting...


    That doesn't work it applies to the whole page. My query is to 'outwit' the
    inability to publish just the masterborder and not the body.



  8. #8
    BeachApe
    Guest

    Default Re: Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF

    Looks like what I'm after Ken. I want to avoid the inside scroll bar and you
    look to have it. I tried looking quickly (albeit maybe too quickly) for one
    of your longer pages with auto-scroll, but no success. Much appreciated if
    you could post back a direct link? TIA.

    "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:hi225l$8ji$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    > Adrians idea is probably easiest to implement - I use the same system
    > using Toko Edit.
    > I have a subdirectory of plain vanilla pages with Toko cms code on them,
    > and pull them into the main NOF site using iframes, set to autoscroll in
    > case the content exceeds the space allocated.
    > I just used zero margin pages ( a small separate .nod file), with the Toko
    > code in a resizable text box. Publish settings were changed to flat so
    > that all the pages were in the same folder.
    >
    > Here's a simple example - the results and fixtures on the page are handled
    > solely by the customer concerned, without any input from me.
    > http://spenny-league.co.uk
    >
    > Ken
    >
    > "BeachApe" <point@target.com> wrote in message
    > news:hi0eet$iu1$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >> Thanks Adrian - you have my brains working in the right now. I haven't
    >> used Cushy for a while, but assuming Surreal is just about the same, I
    >> like to take NOF's CSS code and copy/paste it into the CMS so the client
    >> pretty much has WYSIWYG while editing.
    >>
    >> Trying to wrap my head around a work flow;
    >> Design the total site as per norm, then export off a template. Open the
    >> template and change it to ZeroBorders. This way I keep the already
    >> established CSS and I just now change the page name for each page (say
    >> add 'cms' to the end of the current page name). Publish
    >> Now go back to original site and set up the iframes to the cms pages.
    >>
    >> Jiggers! I think you saved my bacon Adrian. I'll give it try this
    >> weekend.
    >>
    >> -BA
    >>
    >>
    >> "Adrian" <adrian@inspired-glass.com> wrote in message
    >> news:hi0851$fu6$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >>> HI
    >>>
    >>> How about making the CushyCMS section a stand-alone page -
    >>> and include it into 'your' page using an Iframe....
    >>>
    >>> To make it even more 'idiot-proof' - put the Cushy page into a different
    >>> domain - so you can't accidentally do a 'publish all' and wipe out
    >>> the client's carefully crafted prose... (don't ask me how I know! <g>)
    >>>
    >>> Adrian
    >>>
    >>> BeachApe wrote:
    >>>> I set up editable regions in the body of the webpage leaving everything
    >>>> in the master borders as my control, namely the navigation being in the
    >>>> master borders so adding or deleting page keeps that part easy.
    >>>> Just wondering how any cushy or surreal users deal with that task after
    >>>> a client had made some edits. If I add or delete a page, I need to
    >>>> republish all pages reflecting the new navigation - but first I have to
    >>>> go to the 'live' site and copy and paste everything into NOF, then
    >>>> publish (because I can't publish just the master borders?)
    >>>> Seems I periodically miss something and my client has to redo their
    >>>> edits. It's creating grief for both of us (even when it's just a simple
    >>>> break in a text line - they say it's messing *their* layout).
    >>>>
    >>>>

    >>
    >>

    >



  9. #9
    BeachApe
    Guest

    Default Re: Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF

    I bought that just before Christmas but haven't tried it yet. I'm going to
    try it and compare it to the iframe suggestions.

    "Jerry Reneau" <northwestgifshop@oregoncoast.com> wrote in message
    news:hi2huf$faf$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    > I use CushySMS for a few sites..works good. I also use Likno Allwebmenu
    > builder..
    > So if I have to update the navigation on a site all I have to do is update
    > the menu file in Allwebmenu and download the updated menu.js file to the
    > site. It will update the navigation on the entire site..without
    > downloading any of the html pages...so you don't lose any for the clients
    > changes.......
    >
    >
    > Hope this helps
    >
    > jar
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "BeachApe" <point@target.com> wrote in message
    > news:hi07o3$fte$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >>I set up editable regions in the body of the webpage leaving everything in
    >>the master borders as my control, namely the navigation being in the
    >>master borders so adding or deleting page keeps that part easy.
    >> Just wondering how any cushy or surreal users deal with that task after a
    >> client had made some edits. If I add or delete a page, I need to
    >> republish all pages reflecting the new navigation - but first I have to
    >> go to the 'live' site and copy and paste everything into NOF, then
    >> publish (because I can't publish just the master borders?)
    >> Seems I periodically miss something and my client has to redo their
    >> edits. It's creating grief for both of us (even when it's just a simple
    >> break in a text line - they say it's messing *their* layout).
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >



  10. #10
    Trimdoner
    Guest

    Default Re: Cushy or Surreal CMS users with NOF

    If you look at the Latest Results section at the bottom left of that Spenny
    League home page, you'll see it's actually a very long list of results with
    a vertical scroll bar -
    http://spenny-league.co.uk/editor/resultlist07.html - the Latest Fixtures -
    http://spenny-league.co.uk/editor/fixturesinsert.html - (top right) and the
    Latest Results are set to autoscroll in NOF, but the fixtures page is short,
    so it fits the iframe dimensions I've set in NOF without needing scrollbars.


    "BeachApe" <point@target.com> wrote in message
    news:hi5t9s$va2$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    > Looks like what I'm after Ken. I want to avoid the inside scroll bar and
    > you look to have it. I tried looking quickly (albeit maybe too quickly)
    > for one of your longer pages with auto-scroll, but no success. Much
    > appreciated if you could post back a direct link? TIA.
    >
    > "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:hi225l$8ji$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >> Adrians idea is probably easiest to implement - I use the same system
    >> using Toko Edit.
    >> I have a subdirectory of plain vanilla pages with Toko cms code on them,
    >> and pull them into the main NOF site using iframes, set to autoscroll in
    >> case the content exceeds the space allocated.
    >> I just used zero margin pages ( a small separate .nod file), with the
    >> Toko code in a resizable text box. Publish settings were changed to flat
    >> so that all the pages were in the same folder.
    >>
    >> Here's a simple example - the results and fixtures on the page are
    >> handled solely by the customer concerned, without any input from me.
    >> http://spenny-league.co.uk
    >>
    >> Ken
    >>
    >> "BeachApe" <point@target.com> wrote in message
    >> news:hi0eet$iu1$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >>> Thanks Adrian - you have my brains working in the right now. I haven't
    >>> used Cushy for a while, but assuming Surreal is just about the same, I
    >>> like to take NOF's CSS code and copy/paste it into the CMS so the client
    >>> pretty much has WYSIWYG while editing.
    >>>
    >>> Trying to wrap my head around a work flow;
    >>> Design the total site as per norm, then export off a template. Open the
    >>> template and change it to ZeroBorders. This way I keep the already
    >>> established CSS and I just now change the page name for each page (say
    >>> add 'cms' to the end of the current page name). Publish
    >>> Now go back to original site and set up the iframes to the cms pages.
    >>>
    >>> Jiggers! I think you saved my bacon Adrian. I'll give it try this
    >>> weekend.
    >>>
    >>> -BA
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Adrian" <adrian@inspired-glass.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:hi0851$fu6$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >>>> HI
    >>>>
    >>>> How about making the CushyCMS section a stand-alone page -
    >>>> and include it into 'your' page using an Iframe....
    >>>>
    >>>> To make it even more 'idiot-proof' - put the Cushy page into a
    >>>> different domain - so you can't accidentally do a 'publish all' and
    >>>> wipe out
    >>>> the client's carefully crafted prose... (don't ask me how I know! <g>)
    >>>>
    >>>> Adrian
    >>>>
    >>>> BeachApe wrote:
    >>>>> I set up editable regions in the body of the webpage leaving
    >>>>> everything in the master borders as my control, namely the navigation
    >>>>> being in the master borders so adding or deleting page keeps that part
    >>>>> easy.
    >>>>> Just wondering how any cushy or surreal users deal with that task
    >>>>> after a client had made some edits. If I add or delete a page, I need
    >>>>> to republish all pages reflecting the new navigation - but first I
    >>>>> have to go to the 'live' site and copy and paste everything into NOF,
    >>>>> then publish (because I can't publish just the master borders?)
    >>>>> Seems I periodically miss something and my client has to redo their
    >>>>> edits. It's creating grief for both of us (even when it's just a
    >>>>> simple break in a text line - they say it's messing *their* layout).
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>

    >



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