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  1. #1
    Norma Clature
    Guest

    Default Need help understanding NebObjects

    Newsgroup members,

    Hello. I am new to the group, my name is Norma. I am helping a family
    member to rework a website built with NetObjects. It is currently being
    maintained with version 11.

    I need help from users experienced in using NetObjects together with
    html/css standards.Would someone mind advising me?


    SITE GOALS

    1_remove all inline styles
    2_use css for styles
    3_validate to html standards (I haven't selected one yet)
    4_same for css standards
    5_create a template to use for future and current pages
    6_if possible, remove tables and replace with divs
    7_there may be more


    I have high hopes but know little about NetObjects, only what I have
    read in the documentation which I have not yet completed reading.

    I have run into two important obstacles before starting this project.
    They are listed next.

    1_family member's os is Windows (not sure which on but probably the
    latest) and mine is Linux (NetObjects does not work in Linux)
    2_editor is NebObjects (WYSIWYG) and I hand code mine using a free open
    source editor

    Before asking specific questions, I would like to hear comments about
    this situation. Has anyone else been in a similar situation? How did
    they find a way to communicate code between opposing software?

    Can I communicate a file between these two programs and can I achieve my
    goals for the file, as listed above?

    Any advice is appreciated.










  2. #2
    Adrian
    Guest

    Default Re: Need help understanding NebObjects

    HI Norma

    Welcome!

    I hate to say it - but I don't think your scheme will work.

    NetobjectsFusion (NOF) isn't a code _editor_ - it's a code _generator_ -
    it actually writes html for you - based on the wysiwyg environment
    that it uses for development.

    You could take the output from NOF (which is html) - and edit it in your
    'html editor' -
    but NOF won't be happy with any alterations you've made, and there's no
    easy way to then edit the pages you have updated back in NOF.

    All of your design aims would seem to be achieveable - IF you can find
    some way to run NOF in your development environment.

    I guess you _could_ try hand-editing the site and they try importing it
    into NOF - but results are likely to be unpredictable....

    Just my 2 cents!
    Adrian


    Norma Clature wrote:
    > Newsgroup members,
    >
    > Hello. I am new to the group, my name is Norma. I am helping a family
    > member to rework a website built with NetObjects. It is currently being
    > maintained with version 11.
    >
    > I need help from users experienced in using NetObjects together with
    > html/css standards.Would someone mind advising me?
    >
    >
    > SITE GOALS
    >
    > 1_remove all inline styles
    > 2_use css for styles
    > 3_validate to html standards (I haven't selected one yet)
    > 4_same for css standards
    > 5_create a template to use for future and current pages
    > 6_if possible, remove tables and replace with divs
    > 7_there may be more
    >
    >
    > I have high hopes but know little about NetObjects, only what I have
    > read in the documentation which I have not yet completed reading.
    >
    > I have run into two important obstacles before starting this project.
    > They are listed next.
    >
    > 1_family member's os is Windows (not sure which on but probably the
    > latest) and mine is Linux (NetObjects does not work in Linux)
    > 2_editor is NebObjects (WYSIWYG) and I hand code mine using a free open
    > source editor
    >
    > Before asking specific questions, I would like to hear comments about
    > this situation. Has anyone else been in a similar situation? How did
    > they find a way to communicate code between opposing software?
    >
    > Can I communicate a file between these two programs and can I achieve my
    > goals for the file, as listed above?
    >
    > Any advice is appreciated.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


  3. #3
    Norma Clature
    Guest

    Default Re: Need help understanding NebObjects

    Adrian,

    I thought as much, too. Would you tell me if it is possible to open a
    page in NOF and see it's code in entirety or do you see select portions?

    Norma


    Adrian wrote:
    > HI Norma
    >
    > Welcome!
    >
    > I hate to say it - but I don't think your scheme will work.
    >
    > NetobjectsFusion (NOF) isn't a code _editor_ - it's a code _generator_ -
    > it actually writes html for you - based on the wysiwyg environment
    > that it uses for development.
    >
    > You could take the output from NOF (which is html) - and edit it in your
    > 'html editor' -
    > but NOF won't be happy with any alterations you've made, and there's no
    > easy way to then edit the pages you have updated back in NOF.
    >
    > All of your design aims would seem to be achieveable - IF you can find
    > some way to run NOF in your development environment.
    >
    > I guess you _could_ try hand-editing the site and they try importing it
    > into NOF - but results are likely to be unpredictable....
    >
    > Just my 2 cents!
    > Adrian
    >
    >
    > Norma Clature wrote:
    >> Newsgroup members,
    >>
    >> Hello. I am new to the group, my name is Norma. I am helping a family
    >> member to rework a website built with NetObjects. It is currently
    >> being maintained with version 11.
    >>
    >> I need help from users experienced in using NetObjects together with
    >> html/css standards.Would someone mind advising me?
    >>
    >>
    >> SITE GOALS
    >>
    >> 1_remove all inline styles
    >> 2_use css for styles
    >> 3_validate to html standards (I haven't selected one yet)
    >> 4_same for css standards
    >> 5_create a template to use for future and current pages
    >> 6_if possible, remove tables and replace with divs
    >> 7_there may be more
    >>
    >>
    >> I have high hopes but know little about NetObjects, only what I have
    >> read in the documentation which I have not yet completed reading.
    >>
    >> I have run into two important obstacles before starting this project.
    >> They are listed next.
    >>
    >> 1_family member's os is Windows (not sure which on but probably the
    >> latest) and mine is Linux (NetObjects does not work in Linux)
    >> 2_editor is NebObjects (WYSIWYG) and I hand code mine using a free
    >> open source editor
    >>
    >> Before asking specific questions, I would like to hear comments about
    >> this situation. Has anyone else been in a similar situation? How did
    >> they find a way to communicate code between opposing software?
    >>
    >> Can I communicate a file between these two programs and can I achieve
    >> my goals for the file, as listed above?
    >>
    >> Any advice is appreciated.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>


  4. #4
    Max
    Guest

    Default Re: Need help understanding NebObjects

    Hi Norma

    Further to Adrian's comments, I'd suggest the only way forward, if your
    family member is to continue to use NOF, would be to borrow their PC and
    make the changes using NetObjects. All of your goals are achievable
    using it, provided you generate the site as XHTML (the only way that it
    will generate standard compliant code). However see my comments on
    Tuesday's thread 'NoF to create pure html templates' about this first.

    Max

    ----
    Norma Clature wrote:
    > Newsgroup members,
    >
    > Hello. I am new to the group, my name is Norma. I am helping a family
    > member to rework a website built with NetObjects. It is currently being
    > maintained with version 11.
    >
    > I need help from users experienced in using NetObjects together with
    > html/css standards.Would someone mind advising me?
    >
    >
    > SITE GOALS
    >
    > 1_remove all inline styles
    > 2_use css for styles
    > 3_validate to html standards (I haven't selected one yet)
    > 4_same for css standards
    > 5_create a template to use for future and current pages
    > 6_if possible, remove tables and replace with divs
    > 7_there may be more
    >
    >
    > I have high hopes but know little about NetObjects, only what I have
    > read in the documentation which I have not yet completed reading.
    >
    > I have run into two important obstacles before starting this project.
    > They are listed next.
    >
    > 1_family member's os is Windows (not sure which on but probably the
    > latest) and mine is Linux (NetObjects does not work in Linux)
    > 2_editor is NebObjects (WYSIWYG) and I hand code mine using a free open
    > source editor
    >
    > Before asking specific questions, I would like to hear comments about
    > this situation. Has anyone else been in a similar situation? How did
    > they find a way to communicate code between opposing software?
    >
    > Can I communicate a file between these two programs and can I achieve my
    > goals for the file, as listed above?
    >
    > Any advice is appreciated.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >


  5. #5
    Max
    Guest

    Default Re: Need help understanding NebObjects

    NoF does allow you to see a preview of the code to be generated, but
    it's not a good idea to try to alter it. And, when trying to trace a
    problem, I did once find that the actual code generated can be slightly
    different from the preview - this may be another peculiarity of
    generating XHTML.

    Max

    ----
    Norma Clature wrote:
    > Adrian,
    >
    > I thought as much, too. Would you tell me if it is possible to open a
    > page in NOF and see it's code in entirety or do you see select portions?
    >
    > Norma
    >
    >
    > Adrian wrote:
    >> HI Norma
    >>
    >> Welcome!
    >>
    >> I hate to say it - but I don't think your scheme will work.
    >>
    >> NetobjectsFusion (NOF) isn't a code _editor_ - it's a code _generator_ -
    >> it actually writes html for you - based on the wysiwyg environment
    >> that it uses for development.
    >>
    >> You could take the output from NOF (which is html) - and edit it in
    >> your 'html editor' -
    >> but NOF won't be happy with any alterations you've made, and there's
    >> no easy way to then edit the pages you have updated back in NOF.
    >>
    >> All of your design aims would seem to be achieveable - IF you can find
    >> some way to run NOF in your development environment.
    >>
    >> I guess you _could_ try hand-editing the site and they try importing
    >> it into NOF - but results are likely to be unpredictable....
    >>
    >> Just my 2 cents!
    >> Adrian
    >>
    >>
    >> Norma Clature wrote:
    >>> Newsgroup members,
    >>>
    >>> Hello. I am new to the group, my name is Norma. I am helping a family
    >>> member to rework a website built with NetObjects. It is currently
    >>> being maintained with version 11.
    >>>
    >>> I need help from users experienced in using NetObjects together with
    >>> html/css standards.Would someone mind advising me?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> SITE GOALS
    >>>
    >>> 1_remove all inline styles
    >>> 2_use css for styles
    >>> 3_validate to html standards (I haven't selected one yet)
    >>> 4_same for css standards
    >>> 5_create a template to use for future and current pages
    >>> 6_if possible, remove tables and replace with divs
    >>> 7_there may be more
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I have high hopes but know little about NetObjects, only what I have
    >>> read in the documentation which I have not yet completed reading.
    >>>
    >>> I have run into two important obstacles before starting this project.
    >>> They are listed next.
    >>>
    >>> 1_family member's os is Windows (not sure which on but probably the
    >>> latest) and mine is Linux (NetObjects does not work in Linux)
    >>> 2_editor is NebObjects (WYSIWYG) and I hand code mine using a free
    >>> open source editor
    >>>
    >>> Before asking specific questions, I would like to hear comments about
    >>> this situation. Has anyone else been in a similar situation? How did
    >>> they find a way to communicate code between opposing software?
    >>>
    >>> Can I communicate a file between these two programs and can I achieve
    >>> my goals for the file, as listed above?
    >>>
    >>> Any advice is appreciated.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>


  6. #6
    Adrian
    Guest

    Default Re: Need help understanding NebObjects

    HI Norma

    You could open a page after you've published it (either locally or to
    your server) - but if you alter it then NOF won't know about yuor
    changes - it's not really how it was meant to be used...

    I started out hand-coding webpages (about 16 years ago!) - then moved on
    to tag editors, then through Dreamweaver and on to NOF.

    Each step up takes you one step further away from the html -
    but, after a while, you come to accept it <g>
    (and maybe even realise that life's too short to hand-code websites!)

    Adrian

    Norma Clature wrote:
    > Adrian,
    >
    > I thought as much, too. Would you tell me if it is possible to open a
    > page in NOF and see it's code in entirety or do you see select portions?
    >
    > Norma
    >
    >
    > Adrian wrote:
    >> HI Norma
    >>
    >> Welcome!
    >>
    >> I hate to say it - but I don't think your scheme will work.
    >>
    >> NetobjectsFusion (NOF) isn't a code _editor_ - it's a code _generator_ -
    >> it actually writes html for you - based on the wysiwyg environment
    >> that it uses for development.
    >>
    >> You could take the output from NOF (which is html) - and edit it in
    >> your 'html editor' -
    >> but NOF won't be happy with any alterations you've made, and there's
    >> no easy way to then edit the pages you have updated back in NOF.
    >>
    >> All of your design aims would seem to be achieveable - IF you can find
    >> some way to run NOF in your development environment.
    >>
    >> I guess you _could_ try hand-editing the site and they try importing
    >> it into NOF - but results are likely to be unpredictable....
    >>
    >> Just my 2 cents!
    >> Adrian
    >>
    >>
    >> Norma Clature wrote:
    >>> Newsgroup members,
    >>>
    >>> Hello. I am new to the group, my name is Norma. I am helping a family
    >>> member to rework a website built with NetObjects. It is currently
    >>> being maintained with version 11.
    >>>
    >>> I need help from users experienced in using NetObjects together with
    >>> html/css standards.Would someone mind advising me?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> SITE GOALS
    >>>
    >>> 1_remove all inline styles
    >>> 2_use css for styles
    >>> 3_validate to html standards (I haven't selected one yet)
    >>> 4_same for css standards
    >>> 5_create a template to use for future and current pages
    >>> 6_if possible, remove tables and replace with divs
    >>> 7_there may be more
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> I have high hopes but know little about NetObjects, only what I have
    >>> read in the documentation which I have not yet completed reading.
    >>>
    >>> I have run into two important obstacles before starting this project.
    >>> They are listed next.
    >>>
    >>> 1_family member's os is Windows (not sure which on but probably the
    >>> latest) and mine is Linux (NetObjects does not work in Linux)
    >>> 2_editor is NebObjects (WYSIWYG) and I hand code mine using a free
    >>> open source editor
    >>>
    >>> Before asking specific questions, I would like to hear comments about
    >>> this situation. Has anyone else been in a similar situation? How did
    >>> they find a way to communicate code between opposing software?
    >>>
    >>> Can I communicate a file between these two programs and can I achieve
    >>> my goals for the file, as listed above?
    >>>
    >>> Any advice is appreciated.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>


  7. #7
    Norma Clature
    Guest

    Default Re: Need help understanding NebObjects

    Max and Adrian,

    I do appreciate the insight. It certainly saves me a lot time trying to
    glean this from the documentation.

    I will read the thread you suggested for more information. Thanks.

    Norma

    Max wrote:
    > Hi Norma
    >
    > Further to Adrian's comments, I'd suggest the only way forward, if your
    > family member is to continue to use NOF, would be to borrow their PC and
    > make the changes using NetObjects. All of your goals are achievable
    > using it, provided you generate the site as XHTML (the only way that it
    > will generate standard compliant code). However see my comments on
    > Tuesday's thread 'NoF to create pure html templates' about this first.
    >
    > Max
    >
    > ----
    > Norma Clature wrote:
    >> Newsgroup members,
    >>
    >> Hello. I am new to the group, my name is Norma. I am helping a family
    >> member to rework a website built with NetObjects. It is currently
    >> being maintained with version 11.
    >>
    >> I need help from users experienced in using NetObjects together with
    >> html/css standards.Would someone mind advising me?
    >>
    >>
    >> SITE GOALS
    >>
    >> 1_remove all inline styles
    >> 2_use css for styles
    >> 3_validate to html standards (I haven't selected one yet)
    >> 4_same for css standards
    >> 5_create a template to use for future and current pages
    >> 6_if possible, remove tables and replace with divs
    >> 7_there may be more
    >>
    >>
    >> I have high hopes but know little about NetObjects, only what I have
    >> read in the documentation which I have not yet completed reading.
    >>
    >> I have run into two important obstacles before starting this project.
    >> They are listed next.
    >>
    >> 1_family member's os is Windows (not sure which on but probably the
    >> latest) and mine is Linux (NetObjects does not work in Linux)
    >> 2_editor is NebObjects (WYSIWYG) and I hand code mine using a free
    >> open source editor
    >>
    >> Before asking specific questions, I would like to hear comments about
    >> this situation. Has anyone else been in a similar situation? How did
    >> they find a way to communicate code between opposing software?
    >>
    >> Can I communicate a file between these two programs and can I achieve
    >> my goals for the file, as listed above?
    >>
    >> Any advice is appreciated.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>


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