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  1. #1
    Leslie Allan
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    Default NOF to DreamWeaver

    I'm planning on moving over to DreamWeaver. My 350+ page site is in NOF 9.1
    (with lots of nested tables). I'm moving to DreamWeaver to get lean and mean
    code with css positioning and to get total control over the code.



    Is it better to upgrade to NOF 11, convert to css based layout, publish and
    then import into DW compared with biting the bullet and basically starting
    from scratch in DW? What do you think?

    Les



  2. #2
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF to DreamWeaver

    ..
    It's best to start from scratch, creating your layout in CSS then enter content using DW or any html editor.

    I would suggest that you download the 30 day trial.

    https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/tdrc/i...ct=dreamweaver

    If you can't figure it out (or get a working concept) within that 30 day time period you may want to rethink your plan.

    With 350 pages you may want to think about using a database back end to store content and a dynamic language to display content.

    Mike


    Leslie Allan said:

    | I'm planning on moving over to DreamWeaver. My 350+ page site is in
    | NOF 9.1 (with lots of nested tables). I'm moving to DreamWeaver to
    | get lean and mean code with css positioning and to get total
    | control over the code.
    |
    |
    |
    | Is it better to upgrade to NOF 11, convert to css based layout,
    | publish and then import into DW compared with biting the bullet and
    | basically starting from scratch in DW? What do you think?
    |
    | Les



  3. #3
    robert_b
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF to DreamWeaver

    That sounds like a lot of work. I still surf the NOF forums to see if the
    platform will finally evolve to a pro-ready package and I still think it is
    best for hobbyists...and, nothing wrong with that. Dreamweaver is far from
    perfect....in fact it does have some strange quirks but the ability to
    manipulate the code and the TONS of widgets offer alot more options as a
    designer which in turn helps the client. The feature in itself tells a big
    story. At one time I was thinking GoLive was the next step but there were
    no active third party forums or widgets. So, I took that as writing on the
    wall. Go to Barnes and Noble and see which books are available....maybe
    some new ones for Microsoft's Expression but mostly all Dreamweaver.

    The last two generations of DW have been lackluster I think mostly due to
    the morph of Macromedia and Adobe. I am hoping that CS4 gets designers to
    that next level of exceptional flexibility to design and code.

    So, IMHO, I would wait until CS4 rolls out (prolly 6 months), take a test
    drive, built a microsite and see if it is worth the HOURS of work into
    conversion. I agree with the other poster...I think it would be more
    prudent to look at an ASP application.



  4. #4
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF to DreamWeaver

    Good for you! I agree with Mike. Start from scratch. Learn HTML and CSS
    code first. It will make DW 90% easier for you.
    Also, learn to use server-side Includes (SSI) for repeating page elements
    like headers, navigation and footers.

    Sites you should bookmark:

    HTML and/or DW Tutorials
    http://validator.w3.org/
    http://www.w3schools.com/
    http://www.adobe.com/devnet/
    http://www.scriptarchive.com/
    http://www.htmldog.com/guides/
    http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/
    http://alistapart.com/topics/code

    CSS
    http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
    http://www.w3schools.com/
    http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/index.htm
    http://www.westciv.com/
    http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/on...ss_layouts.asp

    Faux columns with CSS
    http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxcolumns/

    CSS - Centered Page - Fixed Width Demo
    http://alt-web.com/CSS2-Centered-Page.html

    CSS - Centered Page - Liquid Layout Demo
    http://alt-web.com/CSS2-Liquid-Page.html

    A must read about Absolutely Positioned Divisions (aka DW "Layers")
    http://apptools.com/examples/pagelayout101.php

    Download User Guide PDF for easy search
    http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation

    If not PDF (link above) an online guide to read
    http://livedocs.adobe.com/en_US/Dreamweaver/9.0/

    Customizing the layouts that come with CS3 (VIDEO)
    http://www.adobe.com/designcenter/vi...op/?id=vid0155

    For those using MySQL - Installing PHP and MySQL on Windows XP
    http://www.webassist.com/professiona...ionrecipes.asp

    Community MX Web Standards Lesson Plan Series
    http://www.communitymx.com/abstract.cfm?cid=3D074

    DW Design Center
    http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/designc...amweaver&go=Go

    Taking a Fireworks (or Photoshop) comp to a CSS based layout in DW
    http://www.adobe.com/devnet/firework...youts_pt1.html

    http://lynda.com/ Hours of videos. (must pay)


    --Nancy O.
    Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    www.alt-web.com

    "Leslie Allan" <lesvic@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
    news:g4husj$b0n1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > I'm planning on moving over to DreamWeaver. My 350+ page site is in NOF

    9.1
    > (with lots of nested tables). I'm moving to DreamWeaver to get lean and

    mean
    > code with css positioning and to get total control over the code.
    >
    >
    >
    > Is it better to upgrade to NOF 11, convert to css based layout, publish

    and
    > then import into DW compared with biting the bullet and basically starting
    > from scratch in DW? What do you think?
    >
    > Les
    >
    >




  5. #5
    Leslie Allan
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF to DreamWeaver

    Thank you everyone for your responses. I have a very experienced DW
    developer doing the new design. It's just that copying and pasting 350+
    pages of content from our existing site to DW will take weeks. I thought if
    I could get NOF ver 11 to get rid of the nested tables and generate some css
    then the import to DW would be a lot, lot, lot less work. Has anyone
    converted a pre-ver 11 site to a ver 11 css based NOF site? What have the
    results been like? Usable with some tweaking or just junk?

    Les


    "Leslie Allan" <lesvic@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
    news:g4husj$b0n1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > I'm planning on moving over to DreamWeaver. My 350+ page site is in NOF
    > 9.1 (with lots of nested tables). I'm moving to DreamWeaver to get lean
    > and mean code with css positioning and to get total control over the code.
    >
    >
    >
    > Is it better to upgrade to NOF 11, convert to css based layout, publish
    > and then import into DW compared with biting the bullet and basically
    > starting from scratch in DW? What do you think?
    >
    > Les
    >
    >




  6. #6
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF to DreamWeaver

    ..
    What is the URL of your site?

    mike


    Leslie Allan said:

    | Thank you everyone for your responses. I have a very experienced DW
    | developer doing the new design. It's just that copying and pasting
    | 350+ pages of content from our existing site to DW will take weeks.



  7. #7
    Leslie Allan
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF to DreamWeaver

    The url of our site is www.businessperform.com

    Les

    <mike> wrote in message news:A921.1215178036.133@gfwebforum.com...
    > .
    > What is the URL of your site?
    >
    > mike
    >
    >
    > Leslie Allan said:
    >
    > | Thank you everyone for your responses. I have a very experienced DW
    > | developer doing the new design. It's just that copying and pasting
    > | 350+ pages of content from our existing site to DW will take weeks.
    >
    >




  8. #8
    Peter Eisenburger
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF to DreamWeaver

    this site has such a complex structure that I serriously doubt any tool
    can export or import it in clean way.

    at first you would have to import it from NOF 9.1 (or 8, as the META tag
    says) to 11, a process where smaller problems can occur. in r. 11, to
    change the code output from table-based- to CSS-driven-layout will bring
    the problems to the next level.

    and how DW handles the import must still be seen.

    I suggest you try with one page and then with a small portion of the
    site. please let us know the results.

    Peter


    Leslie Allan wrote:
    > The url of our site is www.businessperform.com
    >
    > Les
    >
    > <mike> wrote in message news:A921.1215178036.133@gfwebforum.com...
    >> .
    >> What is the URL of your site?
    >>
    >> mike
    >>
    >>
    >> Leslie Allan said:
    >>
    >> | Thank you everyone for your responses. I have a very experienced DW
    >> | developer doing the new design. It's just that copying and pasting
    >> | 350+ pages of content from our existing site to DW will take weeks.
    >>
    >>

    >
    >


  9. #9
    Dennis Mathias
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF to DreamWeaver

    Gez, Dreamweaver! In your dreams. I suppose if all you have to do is code
    and diddle and fiddle, fine. Dreamweaver reminds me of Wordstar. Remember
    the dot commands.

    I took some time looking into DW, but my gosh! I gotta get a website up not
    diddle and fiddle.

    I looked at the site done in NO and it looks really good! The only
    observation I'd make is that it's burdened with a hell of a lot of links.
    But I could navigate it just fine.

    Reconsider--and keep it simple.

    I am not an agent for NO or any of it's plugins. In fact I'm using NO-7.0.
    Moving incrementally has not been compelling enough yet to go to 11.


    "Leslie Allan" <lesvic@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
    news:g4husj$b0n1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > I'm planning on moving over to DreamWeaver. My 350+ page site is in NOF
    > 9.1 (with lots of nested tables). I'm moving to DreamWeaver to get lean
    > and mean code with css positioning and to get total control over the code.
    >
    >
    >
    > Is it better to upgrade to NOF 11, convert to css based layout, publish
    > and then import into DW compared with biting the bullet and basically
    > starting from scratch in DW? What do you think?
    >
    > Les
    >
    >




  10. #10
    Steve Thackery
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF to DreamWeaver

    I'm totally unqualified to comment on your original question. But I wonder
    if now might be a good time to start again with a complete, ground-up
    redesign.

    I'm not "having a go" at your website, but I will say that the front page
    has so much content and "visual noise" it's slightly intimidating. The
    serif font in the headings looks a bit old fashioned, too.

    I suspect you would be wise to involve a graphics designer with a good
    background in the web. I reckon they could transform the site into
    something that looks really modern and cool.

    This approach would, of course, remove the need to perform a fraught
    "translation" from NOF to DW. Obviously there'll still be a lot of cut 'n'
    pasting and retyping, but that's going to be unavoidable anyway.

    No offence or undue criticism intended!

    SteveT


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