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  1. #21
    Adendum
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    Andrew,

    I don't think it's the jquery reference.

    Locally, I edited the first jquery to read ../assets/jquery and deleted
    the second reference. The page still works and so does the menu but in
    IE7 mode it still jumps when delivering the css pop up.

    Paul

    On 22/03/2010 23:29, Technology Ideas wrote:
    > I guess the point is, and it will be a bit of a nightmare sorting it out
    > which isn't what you want to hear, but you will have conflicts as jquery is
    > a JavaScript library and therefore having two references to the same
    > language library will inevitably cause problems, especially if they are two
    > different versions. It depends how it's referencing the jquery.js but you
    > may find just removing that hand-placed version won't break it. It's
    > placement may be critical for the Tooltips, but the NOF version is auto
    > placed and therefore maybe part of the problem. Unfortunately the jquery
    > that comes with NOF is old and maybe Charles can help here, but I'm not sure
    > that can be updated without breaking other things in NOF.
    >
    > I would peel this back to the thing that broke it all, and find another
    > solution if that's at all possible.
    >
    > I've looked through your code and it just has a lot going on with external
    > scripts that are all plugged in, therefore I think it has finally snapped.
    >
    > Or, bring the IE7 people into the IE8 world


  2. #22
    Adendum
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    Oh and FF doesn't like it with the newer jquery file!

    On 22/03/2010 23:47, Adendum wrote:
    > Andrew,
    >
    > I don't think it's the jquery reference.
    >
    > Locally, I edited the first jquery to read ../assets/jquery and deleted
    > the second reference. The page still works and so does the menu but in
    > IE7 mode it still jumps when delivering the css pop up.
    >
    > Paul
    >
    > On 22/03/2010 23:29, Technology Ideas wrote:
    >> I guess the point is, and it will be a bit of a nightmare sorting it out
    >> which isn't what you want to hear, but you will have conflicts as
    >> jquery is
    >> a JavaScript library and therefore having two references to the same
    >> language library will inevitably cause problems, especially if they
    >> are two
    >> different versions. It depends how it's referencing the jquery.js but you
    >> may find just removing that hand-placed version won't break it. It's
    >> placement may be critical for the Tooltips, but the NOF version is auto
    >> placed and therefore maybe part of the problem. Unfortunately the jquery
    >> that comes with NOF is old and maybe Charles can help here, but I'm
    >> not sure
    >> that can be updated without breaking other things in NOF.
    >>
    >> I would peel this back to the thing that broke it all, and find another
    >> solution if that's at all possible.
    >>
    >> I've looked through your code and it just has a lot going on with
    >> external
    >> scripts that are all plugged in, therefore I think it has finally
    >> snapped.
    >>
    >> Or, bring the IE7 people into the IE8 world


  3. #23
    Adendum
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    Do I bite the bullet on this one and try and get Likno's tool tips to
    work (again!!!). Don't like the idea of coding 60 odd glossary items in
    Linko and then try and get NOF to display them.....did try a while back
    but couldn't get the required code around each of the words.

    Time for bed here...maybe a good night's sleep will furnish a solution!!

    Paul

    On 22/03/2010 23:56, Adendum wrote:
    > Oh and FF doesn't like it with the newer jquery file!
    >
    > On 22/03/2010 23:47, Adendum wrote:
    >> Andrew,
    >>
    >> I don't think it's the jquery reference.
    >>
    >> Locally, I edited the first jquery to read ../assets/jquery and deleted
    >> the second reference. The page still works and so does the menu but in
    >> IE7 mode it still jumps when delivering the css pop up.
    >>
    >> Paul
    >>
    >> On 22/03/2010 23:29, Technology Ideas wrote:
    >>> I guess the point is, and it will be a bit of a nightmare sorting it out
    >>> which isn't what you want to hear, but you will have conflicts as
    >>> jquery is
    >>> a JavaScript library and therefore having two references to the same
    >>> language library will inevitably cause problems, especially if they
    >>> are two
    >>> different versions. It depends how it's referencing the jquery.js but
    >>> you
    >>> may find just removing that hand-placed version won't break it. It's
    >>> placement may be critical for the Tooltips, but the NOF version is auto
    >>> placed and therefore maybe part of the problem. Unfortunately the jquery
    >>> that comes with NOF is old and maybe Charles can help here, but I'm
    >>> not sure
    >>> that can be updated without breaking other things in NOF.
    >>>
    >>> I would peel this back to the thing that broke it all, and find another
    >>> solution if that's at all possible.
    >>>
    >>> I've looked through your code and it just has a lot going on with
    >>> external
    >>> scripts that are all plugged in, therefore I think it has finally
    >>> snapped.
    >>>
    >>> Or, bring the IE7 people into the IE8 world


  4. #24
    Technology Ideas
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    Try this http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=38741

    It will mean placing in a manual <div id='subjectMatter'> around your text
    blocks which is straight forward but you won't have to hand make the links.

    --
    Andrew Baker
    Technology Ideas
    http://www.technologyideas.com.au
    Australia

    "Adendum" <Adendum@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:ho90js$a30$2@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    > Do I bite the bullet on this one and try and get Likno's tool tips to work
    > (again!!!). Don't like the idea of coding 60 odd glossary items in Linko
    > and then try and get NOF to display them.....did try a while back but
    > couldn't get the required code around each of the words.
    >
    > Time for bed here...maybe a good night's sleep will furnish a solution!!
    >
    > Paul
    >
    > On 22/03/2010 23:56, Adendum wrote:
    >> Oh and FF doesn't like it with the newer jquery file!
    >>
    >> On 22/03/2010 23:47, Adendum wrote:
    >>> Andrew,
    >>>
    >>> I don't think it's the jquery reference.
    >>>
    >>> Locally, I edited the first jquery to read ../assets/jquery and deleted
    >>> the second reference. The page still works and so does the menu but in
    >>> IE7 mode it still jumps when delivering the css pop up.
    >>>
    >>> Paul
    >>>
    >>> On 22/03/2010 23:29, Technology Ideas wrote:
    >>>> I guess the point is, and it will be a bit of a nightmare sorting it
    >>>> out
    >>>> which isn't what you want to hear, but you will have conflicts as
    >>>> jquery is
    >>>> a JavaScript library and therefore having two references to the same
    >>>> language library will inevitably cause problems, especially if they
    >>>> are two
    >>>> different versions. It depends how it's referencing the jquery.js but
    >>>> you
    >>>> may find just removing that hand-placed version won't break it. It's
    >>>> placement may be critical for the Tooltips, but the NOF version is auto
    >>>> placed and therefore maybe part of the problem. Unfortunately the
    >>>> jquery
    >>>> that comes with NOF is old and maybe Charles can help here, but I'm
    >>>> not sure
    >>>> that can be updated without breaking other things in NOF.
    >>>>
    >>>> I would peel this back to the thing that broke it all, and find another
    >>>> solution if that's at all possible.
    >>>>
    >>>> I've looked through your code and it just has a lot going on with
    >>>> external
    >>>> scripts that are all plugged in, therefore I think it has finally
    >>>> snapped.
    >>>>
    >>>> Or, bring the IE7 people into the IE8 world




  5. #25
    Adendum
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    Andrew,

    Will take a look now - as I can't sleep now!!

    But.......I got to thinking...could the problem be CSS and IE7? Digging
    a bit deeper I found this

    http://www.positioniseverything.net/...ages.html#link

    If I understood it (!!!) I might be able to do something. Nancy - where
    are you??

    Paul

    On 23/03/2010 00:08, Technology Ideas wrote:
    > Try this http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=38741
    >
    > It will mean placing in a manual<div id='subjectMatter'> around your text
    > blocks which is straight forward but you won't have to hand make the links.
    >


  6. #26
    Chuck Joslin
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    AllWebMenus doesn't use jquery. It generates DHTML menus using custom
    Javascript libraries. (-;

    Likno's tooltips builder does.

    You may find some help here: www.beyondfusion.com/html/tutorial-wtb.php

    The current versions of Likno GUI programs that work with jQuery come with
    v1.4.1.

    You should only have jquery.js called once in your page header.

    --
    Chuck Joslin
    BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    www.beyondfusion.com

    Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com


    "Adendum" <Adendum@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:ho90js$a30$2@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    > Do I bite the bullet on this one and try and get Likno's tool tips to work
    > (again!!!). Don't like the idea of coding 60 odd glossary items in Linko
    > and then try and get NOF to display them.....did try a while back but
    > couldn't get the required code around each of the words.
    >
    > Time for bed here...maybe a good night's sleep will furnish a solution!!
    >
    > Paul
    >
    > On 22/03/2010 23:56, Adendum wrote:
    >> Oh and FF doesn't like it with the newer jquery file!
    >>
    >> On 22/03/2010 23:47, Adendum wrote:
    >>> Andrew,
    >>>
    >>> I don't think it's the jquery reference.
    >>>
    >>> Locally, I edited the first jquery to read ../assets/jquery and deleted
    >>> the second reference. The page still works and so does the menu but in
    >>> IE7 mode it still jumps when delivering the css pop up.
    >>>
    >>> Paul
    >>>
    >>> On 22/03/2010 23:29, Technology Ideas wrote:
    >>>> I guess the point is, and it will be a bit of a nightmare sorting it
    >>>> out
    >>>> which isn't what you want to hear, but you will have conflicts as
    >>>> jquery is
    >>>> a JavaScript library and therefore having two references to the same
    >>>> language library will inevitably cause problems, especially if they
    >>>> are two
    >>>> different versions. It depends how it's referencing the jquery.js but
    >>>> you
    >>>> may find just removing that hand-placed version won't break it. It's
    >>>> placement may be critical for the Tooltips, but the NOF version is auto
    >>>> placed and therefore maybe part of the problem. Unfortunately the
    >>>> jquery
    >>>> that comes with NOF is old and maybe Charles can help here, but I'm
    >>>> not sure
    >>>> that can be updated without breaking other things in NOF.
    >>>>
    >>>> I would peel this back to the thing that broke it all, and find another
    >>>> solution if that's at all possible.
    >>>>
    >>>> I've looked through your code and it just has a lot going on with
    >>>> external
    >>>> scripts that are all plugged in, therefore I think it has finally
    >>>> snapped.
    >>>>
    >>>> Or, bring the IE7 people into the IE8 world



  7. #27
    Technology Ideas
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    In relation to that article, the place you have a :relative comment is in
    the glossary.css. One thing you can try is % instead of px,

    but at the end of the day,

    the entire code has not been written well to work in older browsers and you
    are really going to have to correcting someone else's code. Not sure if
    you've tried the code I suggested yet, but I'd do that before trying to
    correct their code.

    Again, this can be an issue with all the external code and css files going
    on with nesting.
    --
    Andrew Baker
    Technology Ideas
    http://www.technologyideas.com.au
    Australia

    "Adendum" <Adendum@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:ho92is$b53$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    > Andrew,
    >
    > Will take a look now - as I can't sleep now!!
    >
    > But.......I got to thinking...could the problem be CSS and IE7? Digging a
    > bit deeper I found this
    >
    > http://www.positioniseverything.net/...ages.html#link
    >
    > If I understood it (!!!) I might be able to do something. Nancy - where
    > are you??
    >
    > Paul
    >
    > On 23/03/2010 00:08, Technology Ideas wrote:
    >> Try this http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=38741
    >>
    >> It will mean placing in a manual<div id='subjectMatter'> around your
    >> text
    >> blocks which is straight forward but you won't have to hand make the
    >> links.
    >>




  8. #28
    Technology Ideas
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    You can change the dyanmicdrive code I linked you to, to match your site as
    well. Ask if you need help with that.
    --
    Andrew Baker
    Technology Ideas
    http://www.technologyideas.com.au
    Australia

    "Technology Ideas" <info@(remove)technologyideas.com.au> wrote in message
    news:ho94ii$c0a$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    > In relation to that article, the place you have a :relative comment is in
    > the glossary.css. One thing you can try is % instead of px,
    >
    > but at the end of the day,
    >
    > the entire code has not been written well to work in older browsers and
    > you are really going to have to correcting someone else's code. Not sure
    > if you've tried the code I suggested yet, but I'd do that before trying to
    > correct their code.
    >
    > Again, this can be an issue with all the external code and css files going
    > on with nesting.
    > --
    > Andrew Baker
    > Technology Ideas
    > http://www.technologyideas.com.au
    > Australia
    >
    > "Adendum" <Adendum@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:ho92is$b53$1@DailyPlanet.news.netobjects.com. ..
    >> Andrew,
    >>
    >> Will take a look now - as I can't sleep now!!
    >>
    >> But.......I got to thinking...could the problem be CSS and IE7? Digging a
    >> bit deeper I found this
    >>
    >> http://www.positioniseverything.net/...ages.html#link
    >>
    >> If I understood it (!!!) I might be able to do something. Nancy - where
    >> are you??
    >>
    >> Paul
    >>
    >> On 23/03/2010 00:08, Technology Ideas wrote:
    >>> Try this http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=38741
    >>>
    >>> It will mean placing in a manual<div id='subjectMatter'> around your
    >>> text
    >>> blocks which is straight forward but you won't have to hand make the
    >>> links.
    >>>

    >
    >
    >




  9. #29
    Adendum
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    Chuck,

    Yes, absolutely right there - the extra jquery was a manual addition
    from when I last tried Likno's Tooltip. Will be removing all these extra
    references tomorrow - Job 1!

    I did try the tutorial but I just couldn't get it to work. Will revisit
    (if I have to) later on tomorrow.

    But ...... I am now 100% convinced the problem I am getting is all CSS -
    or rather all IE6 and 7's way of handling CSS. You only have to Google
    "ie7 css hover jump" and you'll see what I mean. If I remove the
    absolute and relative references the jump stops happening....but for
    some reason FF wont display the glossary references. So I must be on the
    right path just need a CSS guru to help figure this one out....do we
    know any on this newsgroup?

    Paul



    On 23/03/2010 00:59, Chuck Joslin wrote:
    > AllWebMenus doesn't use jquery. It generates DHTML menus using custom
    > Javascript libraries. (-;
    >
    > Likno's tooltips builder does.
    >
    > You may find some help here: www.beyondfusion.com/html/tutorial-wtb.php
    >
    > The current versions of Likno GUI programs that work with jQuery come
    > with v1.4.1.
    >
    > You should only have jquery.js called once in your page header.
    >


  10. #30
    Adendum
    Guest

    Default Re: What is causing the behaviour change?

    Andrew,

    Many thanks. As far as I can tell it is the position:absolute that is
    causing the problem in IE7. If I remove that line entirely the jumping
    stops but (a) I get a popup box the width of the page and (b) FF
    displays the error you would see if the text wasn't in the glossary,
    which it is cos IE7 and Chrome and Safari see it.

    Gotta laugh!!

    Paul

    On 23/03/2010 01:07, Technology Ideas wrote:
    > You can change the dyanmicdrive code I linked you to, to match your site as
    > well. Ask if you need help with that.


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