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Thread: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

  1. #1
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    Hi Folks,

    Please excuse the multiple posts, but we realize that unlike us old Pros,
    not all users monitor every one of the different NOF versions newsgroups.
    Since this should be of interest to users from NOF 7.5 to NOF 11, we will
    post to the general group of each version forum.


    LANSRAD is proud to announce a new free EZRound tutorial built just for our
    NOF users!

    We call it our "Universal NOF Import Tutorial" and we do so for a good
    reason. It works with ALL versions of NOF from 7.5 to 11.

    This is a suggested replacement for the old "Fast Import" tutorial which
    worked slightly different depending on what version of NOF you were on and
    did not work at all with NOF 11 since the HTML import is not working as
    expected there.

    It is also easier and produces more reliable results with far less effort.

    You can view this tutorial at:

    http://www.ezround.com/html/universal.html


    Note that while the tutorial might seem a bit long, the process is actually
    quite easy to do! Once you go through it you should be able to import a
    new design in a matter of minutes.

    The new tutorial not only shows you how to quickly import the design, but
    also how to add content and resize it as needed.

    If you've struggled with EZRound and NOF in the past (either the demo
    version or with the old tutorials on your particular version of NOF), be
    sure and give this new import method a try.


    Also to the thousands of NOF EZRound users who keep creating countless
    websites with EZRound, "thanks for your business and keep up the good
    work!"


    Charles Edmonds

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  2. #2
    Jim Seavey
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    Default Re: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    Charles Edmonds wrote:

    > Hi Folks,


    <SNIPPY>

    > The new tutorial not only shows you how to quickly import the design, but
    > also how to add content and resize it as needed.
    >
    > If you've struggled with EZRound and NOF in the past (either the demo
    > version or with the old tutorials on your particular version of NOF), be
    > sure and give this new import method a try.


    Based on your tutorial I put together something for a new site I am working on.

    When the layout region is stretched on the initial creation neither the top,
    bottom or sides are stretched to fit the table. Not what your web page implies
    on the pictures it shows.

    This is with NOF 10 with patch 3.

    When I try to size these things individually it is a pain in the back side.

    I am curious as to why this is given that your web tutorial implies that it
    should NOT work this way.

    Am I doing something wrong?

    Jim

    >
    >
    > Also to the thousands of NOF EZRound users who keep creating countless
    > websites with EZRound, "thanks for your business and keep up the good
    > work!"
    >
    >
    > Charles Edmonds




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  3. #3
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default Re: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    On 6 Jul 2008 02:30:47 GMT, Jim Seavey wrote:
    > Based on your tutorial I put together something for a new site I am working on.
    >
    > When the layout region is stretched on the initial creation neither the top,
    > bottom or sides are stretched to fit the table. Not what your web page implies
    > on the pictures it shows.
    >
    > This is with NOF 10 with patch 3.


    Hi Jim,

    We had that happen a time or so here as well.

    What was happening was that the Layout region was NOT getting anchored into
    the center cell of the table - but was being anchored as a layer on top of
    it.

    > When I try to size these things individually it is a pain in the back side.


    Yep - that is why we came up with the technique of the Layout Region being
    anchored in the center cell.

    A key point (mentioned in the tutorial) is that you never resize the table
    itself - just the layout region.

    Expanding the region causes the table to expand around it.

    After decreasing the size of the layout region all that needs to be done is
    to select the outer edge of the table and push it inwards (past the edge of
    the layout region).


    > I am curious as to why this is given that your web tutorial implies that it
    > should NOT work this way.
    >
    > Am I doing something wrong?


    Based on our experiences I'd guess that your Layout Region did not get
    anchored in the center cell.

    BTW - I assume that your not trying to used fixed layout (but have your
    site set to Dynamic and CSS). In fixed positioning it is very likely that
    NOF might treat the layout region for the center cell as an overlay.

    Does that help?

    Charles



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  4. #4
    Jim Seavey
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    Default Re: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    Charles Edmonds wrote:

    > BTW - I assume that your not trying to used fixed layout (but have your
    > site set to Dynamic and CSS). In fixed positioning it is very likely that
    > NOF might treat the layout region for the center cell as an overlay.
    >
    > Does that help?
    >
    > Charles


    Yes it does help. And, yes I do have Dynamic and CSS set; have had for years.

    I will go putz (technical term) with the table again and see what I can do
    about getting the Layout Region into the box. IIRC, it was in the box but will
    start a new one from scratch to make sure I have it right; will report back.

    Thanks for the quick response over a holiday weekend too.

    Jim :-)

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  5. #5
    Jim Seavey
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    Default Re: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    Jim Seavey wrote:

    > Charles Edmonds wrote:
    >
    > > BTW - I assume that your not trying to used fixed layout (but have your
    > > site set to Dynamic and CSS). In fixed positioning it is very likely that
    > > NOF might treat the layout region for the center cell as an overlay.
    > >
    > > Does that help?
    > >
    > > Charles

    >
    > Yes it does help. And, yes I do have Dynamic and CSS set; have had for years.
    >
    > I will go putz (technical term) with the table again and see what I can do
    > about getting the Layout Region into the box. IIRC, it was in the box but will
    > start a new one from scratch to make sure I have it right; will report back.
    >
    > Thanks for the quick response over a holiday weekend too.
    >
    > Jim :-)


    Well, I have been trying to get a Layout Region into the center box of the
    table. Every time I try the Layout Region does NOT get anchored into the center
    of the cell.

    What is the trick to doing this?

    I have tried everything I can think of and it always winds up outside of the
    cell.

    Jim

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  6. #6
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default Re: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    On 6 Jul 2008 15:35:18 GMT, Jim Seavey wrote:

    > Well, I have been trying to get a Layout Region into the center box of the
    > table. Every time I try the Layout Region does NOT get anchored into the center
    > of the cell.
    >
    > What is the trick to doing this?
    >
    > I have tried everything I can think of and it always winds up outside of the
    > cell.


    I think that what is happening to you is that the center cell is not
    selected before you go to drop the anchor for the region there.

    I just did some more testing and it appears that NOF10 is "VERY" touchy
    about this (not a problem in NOF11 BTW).

    Attached are three screen shots:

    Clip 1 shows the design with the center cell selected. On NOF10 this
    "sometimes" required a single click, sometimes a double. Note that you do
    NOT want to drop into the edit mode (such as where you type text) and you
    need to make sure that ONLY the center cell takes on the heavy border to
    show you that it is selected.

    Next look at the starburst to see WHERE the mouse pointer was pointing when
    we click to start the drop of the layout region on the actively selected
    cell. We are dropping into the layout region "into" the cell (this keeps
    NOF10 from anchoring it elsewhere).


    Clip 2 shows that (without releasing the mouse after our initial click in
    the cell) we drag out an area for the region.

    Clip 3 shows the center cell has expanded automatically to accommodate the
    larger content we placed in it (with the expanded region).

    These screen shots were taken with NOF10 just minutes ago.


    Like I said - NOF10 appears to be much more touchy about this than NOF11 is
    (in fact more so than NOF7.5 for that matter). I know that the ability to
    select tables/cells appears to have been undergoing some changes in V10
    (better in a lot of ways than previous versions), but it is definitely not
    as good as it is in NOF11.

    Also, if your using a glidepad or some built-in mouse feature (on a
    laptop), you may not be quite "hitting the zone" where you click to start
    the drag for the layout region.

    Last but not least, remember that once you click to start the drag out of
    the layout region - you need to not release the left button until you have
    completed the drag out. Otherwise NOF will lose the association with the
    center cell (I'm sure that you know this - just trying to cover all the
    bases here<g>).

    Hopefully these screen shots and additional comments will help.

    If you like, send me an E-mail and I'll be glad to send you an export
    template page from our NOF10.

    Does that help?

    Charles


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  7. #7
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default Re: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    On 6 Jul 2008 15:01:43 GMT, Jim Seavey wrote:

    > Yes it does help. And, yes I do have Dynamic and CSS set; have had for years.


    Good - I figured you were already using those settings.

    > I will go putz (technical term) with the table again and see what I can do
    > about getting the Layout Region into the box. IIRC, it was in the box but will
    > start a new one from scratch to make sure I have it right; will report back.


    "Putz" is a good tech term - we use it all the time<g>

    > Thanks for the quick response over a holiday weekend too.


    Glad to help Jim!


    Charles


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    www.ezround.com - "Round Corner HTML tables with matching Banners, Buttons
    and Forms!"
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    www.fotokiss.com - "World's Best Auction Photo Editor"
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  8. #8
    Jim Seavey
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    Default Re: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    Charles Edmonds wrote:

    <BIG SNIPPY>

    > I think that what is happening to you is that the center cell is not
    > selected before you go to drop the anchor for the region there.
    >
    > I just did some more testing and it appears that NOF10 is "VERY" touchy
    > about this (not a problem in NOF11 BTW).


    <BIG SNIPPY>

    > Hopefully these screen shots and additional comments will help.
    >
    > If you like, send me an E-mail and I'll be glad to send you an export
    > template page from our NOF10.
    >
    > Does that help?
    >
    > Charles


    Well, I tried it in 7.5 and 8 which I still have on my machine. Same problem.
    And, yes, I am doing everything per your instructions.

    I have tried with two different mice. Same result.

    My best guess is that the area of the object where the plus sign for the layout
    region is to be put is just too small for the software to interpret the exact
    location in finite detail. I notice in all versions of NOF that sides of the
    square into which I am attempting to put the layout region (on the left or
    right side of the square) I get a little motion indicator on one side or the
    other depending on which side the plus mark is closest to. I suspect that as
    long as one of these is showing the layout region is going to "miss" the object.

    Of course this is just a SWAG and I could well be wrong but it is obvious that
    something is amiss.

    What happens if this process is run with the initial table being larger? I can
    understand the need to make it small to start if you want something small for
    your page. But if this is not the case it seems it would be much easier to
    start with the objects being larger.

    I tried this but the EZ-round software does not want to make things much
    larger; but to be fair I did not spend a lot of time on this exercise.

    I'll try and contact you by email.

    Jim

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    "If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed...Oh, wait, he does!"

  9. #9
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default Re: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    On 6 Jul 2008 19:44:48 GMT, Jim Seavey wrote:

    > Well, I tried it in 7.5 and 8 which I still have on my machine. Same problem.
    > And, yes, I am doing everything per your instructions.
    >
    > I have tried with two different mice. Same result.
    >
    > My best guess is that the area of the object where the plus sign for the layout
    > region is to be put is just too small for the software to interpret the exact
    > location in finite detail. I notice in all versions of NOF that sides of the
    > square into which I am attempting to put the layout region (on the left or
    > right side of the square) I get a little motion indicator on one side or the
    > other depending on which side the plus mark is closest to. I suspect that as
    > long as one of these is showing the layout region is going to "miss" the object.
    >
    > Of course this is just a SWAG and I could well be wrong but it is obvious that
    > something is amiss.


    Are you using large screen fonts or perhaps an enlarged cursor?

    OR ... a 1600x1200 (or similar) monitor set at high resolution?

    If so, try doing a temp switch to a lower resolution and it should give you
    a larger workspace.

    The screen shots I sent you were on a 1024x768 monitor.


    > What happens if this process is run with the initial table being larger? I can
    > understand the need to make it small to start if you want something small for
    > your page. But if this is not the case it seems it would be much easier to
    > start with the objects being larger.


    As the tutorial states, the trick is that you don't want the total
    width/height of your table to be more than the combined width/height of the
    three slices that make up the design in that direction.

    If you use a wider table, then YOU have to do the resizing of the row or
    column to tighten up around the layout region - and it is a bit PITA<g>.

    As long as the cells are equal (or less) than the space required, then NOF
    does all the hard work for you.


    > I tried this but the EZ-round software does not want to make things much
    > larger; but to be fair I did not spend a lot of time on this exercise.


    EZRound automatically calculates the absolute smallest size possible for
    each slice.


    > I'll try and contact you by email.


    Received and replied.

    I sent a template back to you with your designs as a template.


    I suspect that your running into problems either because of screen fonts,
    cursor (or big monitor) as mentioned above.

    If so, then a simple flip to a lower resolution as you do this bit of work
    might give you what you need there.

    Let me know how it goes.

    Thanks!

    Charles



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    www.pagesnip.com - "Print and Save the Web, just the way you want it!"
    www.clarionproseries.com - "Serious imaging tools for Clarion Developers"
    www.ezround.com - "Round Corner HTML tables with matching Banners, Buttons
    and Forms!"
    www.lansrad.com - "Intelligent Solutions for Universal Problems"
    www.fotokiss.com - "World's Best Auction Photo Editor"
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  10. #10
    Jim Seavey
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    Default Re: New EZRound Universal Import Tutorial for NOF users

    OK, I give up.

    I wonder if I am the only one who cannot get this to work.

    I made a larger set of "edges" in EZ-Round with high hopes that a larger area
    would allow NOF to place a layout region in the area.

    NOPE

    For me at least this just does not work.

    At this point I'm not sure what to do.

    Jim
    --
    "If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed...Oh, wait, he does!"

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