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  1. #1
    Steve Thackery
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    Default Absolute positioning?

    I'm currently using NOF10, and its ability to produce a page with absolute
    positioning of elements seems very primitive. A dialogue box appears and it
    apparently wants to produce browser-specific code for either IE4+ or
    Netscape 4+ (or both)

    The other web page editors I've tried (Web Easy Pro, Web Studio, WebPlus X2
    and Namo 7/2008) will all produce absolute positioning with no trouble at
    all, with none of this browser-specific stuff (in fact the first two will
    only produce absolute positioning). Avanquest Web Easy Pro 7, for instance,
    produces beautifully clean HTML with external CSS files.

    Is NOF11 any better than NOF10 this respect? (I realise not everyone agrees
    with the use of absolute positioning).

    I've looked right through the "What's New" area of the site, and there's no
    mention, so I've come to the people who actually use it!

    Oh, I should tell you that I'm an absolute newbie to web design in general,
    so be gentle with me! I'm still a bit overawed by some aspects of NOF10,
    but having said that I *do* like it.

    Thanks,

    SteveT


  2. #2
    =?iso-8859-1?Q?Chuck_=ABBeyondFusion=BB?=
    Guest

    Default Re: Absolute positioning?

    Steve,

    Fusion 11 allows you to publish as Semantic XHTML which uses CSS and DIVs.

    The NetObjects site is published that way. Look at the source code for the
    home page. www.netobjects.com

    --
    Chuck Joslin
    BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    Fusion 11.. Available thru the Beyond Fusion store!
    www.beyondfusion.com

    Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com

    "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
    news:g4obpd$61t1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > I'm currently using NOF10, and its ability to produce a page with absolute
    > positioning of elements seems very primitive. A dialogue box appears and
    > it apparently wants to produce browser-specific code for either IE4+ or
    > Netscape 4+ (or both)
    >
    > The other web page editors I've tried (Web Easy Pro, Web Studio, WebPlus
    > X2 and Namo 7/2008) will all produce absolute positioning with no trouble
    > at all, with none of this browser-specific stuff (in fact the first two
    > will only produce absolute positioning). Avanquest Web Easy Pro 7, for
    > instance, produces beautifully clean HTML with external CSS files.
    >
    > Is NOF11 any better than NOF10 this respect? (I realise not everyone
    > agrees with the use of absolute positioning).
    >
    > I've looked right through the "What's New" area of the site, and there's
    > no mention, so I've come to the people who actually use it!
    >
    > Oh, I should tell you that I'm an absolute newbie to web design in
    > general, so be gentle with me! I'm still a bit overawed by some aspects
    > of NOF10, but having said that I *do* like it.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > SteveT



  3. #3
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Absolute positioning?

    In NOF10 > Tools > Site Options: Use Dynamic Layout for IE4+ and CSS
    output. Netscape is obsolete now.

    APs are for the birds. Most highly skilled web designers know enough to
    avoid them. But newbies get lured into their ability to layer elements on
    top of one another. It's a really nice idea, except it doesn't work. When
    the site is published and tested in different browsers and text size is
    increased AP sites fall apart fast - making them user unfriendly,
    in-accessible and sometimes totally unusable.

    NOF is much better IMHO than the other web apps you mentioned.


    Nancy O.
    www.alt-web.com/Tutorials/
    NOF Tips & Tutorials



    "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
    news:g4obpd$61t1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > I'm currently using NOF10, and its ability to produce a page with absolute
    > positioning of elements seems very primitive. A dialogue box appears and

    it
    > apparently wants to produce browser-specific code for either IE4+ or
    > Netscape 4+ (or both)
    >
    > The other web page editors I've tried (Web Easy Pro, Web Studio, WebPlus

    X2
    > and Namo 7/2008) will all produce absolute positioning with no trouble at
    > all, with none of this browser-specific stuff (in fact the first two will
    > only produce absolute positioning). Avanquest Web Easy Pro 7, for

    instance,
    > produces beautifully clean HTML with external CSS files.
    >
    > Is NOF11 any better than NOF10 this respect? (I realise not everyone

    agrees
    > with the use of absolute positioning).
    >
    > I've looked right through the "What's New" area of the site, and there's

    no
    > mention, so I've come to the people who actually use it!
    >
    > Oh, I should tell you that I'm an absolute newbie to web design in

    general,
    > so be gentle with me! I'm still a bit overawed by some aspects of NOF10,
    > but having said that I *do* like it.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > SteveT
    >




  4. #4
    Steve Thackery
    Guest

    Default Re: Absolute positioning?

    > When
    > the site is published and tested in different browsers and text size is
    > increased AP sites fall apart fast - making them user unfriendly,
    > in-accessible and sometimes totally unusable.


    Actually, perhaps I might add more detail to that......

    Opera 9.5 doesn't seem to offer the option of altering the text size - it
    has always just zoomed the whole page. Thus it doesn't mess up an AP site.

    IE7 refuses to resize text which has been AP'd, as far as I can tell, so
    again AP sites work fine.

    Firefox 2 zooms only the text, not the graphics, and messes up the page
    exactly as Nancy O says.

    Firefox 3 zooms everything, like Opera, althought it will mess up the page
    if set to 'Zoom Text Only' (which is not the default).

    Safari 3 zooms only the text, not the graphics, and so will mess up the
    page.

    So, of the modern browsers: IE7, Opera 9.5 and Firefox 3 (with default
    options) work fine with an AP page. Safari will mess it up, as will Firefox
    2 and older versions of IE.

    SteveT


  5. #5
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Absolute positioning?

    <Firefox 2 zooms only the text, not the graphics, and messes up the page
    exactly as Nancy O says.>

    Depends on which add-ons you have. My FF2 is capable of both. :-)

    The very first thing I did when I got FF3 was to turn off image zoom. I
    have zero add-ons applied to IE6, IE7, Opera or Safari. I use them strictly
    for testing. But My default text sizes are bigger than average b/c I use a
    big screen display with 1600++ resolution. If I don't make text bigger, I
    can't see the text on most sites.

    The skinny on Absolutely Positioned Divisions here:
    http://apptools.com/examples/pagelayout101.php


    --Nancy O.
    Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    www.alt-web.com


    "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
    news:g4otls$8d62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > When
    > > the site is published and tested in different browsers and text size is
    > > increased AP sites fall apart fast - making them user unfriendly,
    > > in-accessible and sometimes totally unusable.

    >
    > Actually, perhaps I might add more detail to that......
    >
    > Opera 9.5 doesn't seem to offer the option of altering the text size - it
    > has always just zoomed the whole page. Thus it doesn't mess up an AP

    site.
    >
    > IE7 refuses to resize text which has been AP'd, as far as I can tell, so
    > again AP sites work fine.
    >
    > Firefox 2 zooms only the text, not the graphics, and messes up the page
    > exactly as Nancy O says.
    >
    > Firefox 3 zooms everything, like Opera, althought it will mess up the page
    > if set to 'Zoom Text Only' (which is not the default).
    >
    > Safari 3 zooms only the text, not the graphics, and so will mess up the
    > page.
    >
    > So, of the modern browsers: IE7, Opera 9.5 and Firefox 3 (with default
    > options) work fine with an AP page. Safari will mess it up, as will

    Firefox
    > 2 and older versions of IE.
    >
    > SteveT
    >




  6. #6
    Derek
    Guest

    Default Re: Absolute positioning?

    Nancy,

    Thanks for posting that link - it's got to be one of the clearest
    explanations of the CSS (IE!) width problems I've ever read. Verily, the
    scales have fallen etc. etc. :-)

    - Derek.

    Nancy O wrote:
    > <Firefox 2 zooms only the text, not the graphics, and messes up the page
    > exactly as Nancy O says.>
    >
    > Depends on which add-ons you have. My FF2 is capable of both. :-)
    >
    > The very first thing I did when I got FF3 was to turn off image zoom. I
    > have zero add-ons applied to IE6, IE7, Opera or Safari. I use them strictly
    > for testing. But My default text sizes are bigger than average b/c I use a
    > big screen display with 1600++ resolution. If I don't make text bigger, I
    > can't see the text on most sites.
    >
    > The skinny on Absolutely Positioned Divisions here:
    > http://apptools.com/examples/pagelayout101.php
    >
    >
    > --Nancy O.
    > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    > www.alt-web.com
    >
    >
    > "Steve Thackery" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
    > news:g4otls$8d62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> When
    >>> the site is published and tested in different browsers and text size is
    >>> increased AP sites fall apart fast - making them user unfriendly,
    >>> in-accessible and sometimes totally unusable.

    >> Actually, perhaps I might add more detail to that......
    >>
    >> Opera 9.5 doesn't seem to offer the option of altering the text size - it
    >> has always just zoomed the whole page. Thus it doesn't mess up an AP

    > site.
    >> IE7 refuses to resize text which has been AP'd, as far as I can tell, so
    >> again AP sites work fine.
    >>
    >> Firefox 2 zooms only the text, not the graphics, and messes up the page
    >> exactly as Nancy O says.
    >>
    >> Firefox 3 zooms everything, like Opera, althought it will mess up the page
    >> if set to 'Zoom Text Only' (which is not the default).
    >>
    >> Safari 3 zooms only the text, not the graphics, and so will mess up the
    >> page.
    >>
    >> So, of the modern browsers: IE7, Opera 9.5 and Firefox 3 (with default
    >> options) work fine with an AP page. Safari will mess it up, as will

    > Firefox
    >> 2 and older versions of IE.
    >>
    >> SteveT
    >>

    >
    >


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