True dat Mike. Time is money. I have never listened to "coders" when the technology has upgraded. When DOS was invented I listened to programmers to not use that, I'll lose what I'm doing. Then Norton Commander came out and I was told not to use that or I'll lose my DOS experience. Then Windows came out, well it keeps going on and on ... coders even told me not to use NOF, as you can see the coding stereotype goes on here too. Everyone wants to build the killer app and when someone does it, every other coder will say don't use it. The only thing that's ringing true in this thread is content and your customer won't give a flying fart how much you're able to impress yourself about your coding skills. They only want two things; delivery and results. Pays the bills every time. If you're not after customers, or you want to work with a marketing agency, by all means spend the time fashioning yourself as a coder. But I don't think you're the latter because you chose NOF wanting speed in your creations