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    Quote Originally Posted by RayC View Post
    Interesting promo today on Giveaway Of The Day website.
    why don't you stop making promotion for competitive products here? it's been annoying for some time now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter View Post
    why don't you stop making promotion for competitive products here? it's been annoying for some time now.
    I could not disagree more. I use no less than a half dozen other products that could be considered to be competitive products of NOF. I use them because no one software package does it all. I cherry pick the best functionality of each package and use them all to make each static web page or web applications. I even use database code generators to make NOF into more of a web application generator. I get a lot of info and ideas from this site. As far as I am concerned, bring on the competitors and every thing else. If someone doesn't like topics or posts on this site, they don't have to read them. Read what you like, ignore what you don't.
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    ok......I WANT to keep using NOF because the top two (responsive) ones I have evaluated (WYSIWYG and Duda) are not as intuitive as NOF. I appreciate it was a big step to convert NOF to produce HTML5 and CSS.......but as an IT Consultant in a former life.....one of the main mantras in any project with clients (aka customers) was COMMUNICATION. I gave a lot of presentations and the key was always Communication...Communication...Communication was the key to the success of of project,
    What CAN we do to ask Steve et al to tell tell us what is happening??? If they are working towards the 'final solution' tell us..even if they have problems and say we can't deliver before 2018. At least we would know it is on its way...

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    When people lust for a new product they think is coming for too long of a period of time, eventually they begin to loose interest and sooner or later they just don't care anymore and they move on with what's available instead of just doing nothing waiting for ghost products that don't seem to be coming any time soon. Once they get past the waiting stage and move on they seldom make a U turn back if something finally does come that they were waiting for. This is a very dangerous point for a company to be at if or when they finally bring something new to market. After spending lots of time and development money, they find a market that lost interest.
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    Rick has nailed the issue from a business perspective.

    I would have loved to have stayed with NoF (having been there several years) and delayed doing anything for far too long because of this - indeed until the point it was damaging my business (for which my websites are an important tool).

    With some sort of 'road map' of development available I would have invested the time into workarounds on the responsive front. With absolutely no response from the management of NoF (some of the most appalling business management I have ever witnessed - I can't recall ever seeing so much goodwill simply and deliberately burnt !!) I eventually went elsewhere.

    I actually went to one of the products mentioned by gprit - perhaps not quite as intuitive, as he says, but I didn't find it a major issue and the resulting functionality is in a different league. Possibly even more important is the level of support that the supplier offers (NoF's has never been any better than near non-existent - indeed if it were not for the support of Mike [Turtle] @ Gotfusion I would never have stayed with NoF anyway). I am delighted with the move, have invested in the unavoidable learning cycle and cannot perceive any circumstances where I would return.

    I remain confident I am not the only one (and it could have easily been avoided - at least in my case - by some competent management and communication). If there are still NoF employees then Raubenstine should hang his head in shame for letting them down while they toil away on updating products - if there aren't, then he should stop conning the poor souls he is still flogging this 'past its use by date' software to.
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    I agree I think the lack of communication from NOF is disgraceful! As can be seen from the comments in this and other threads they have had a loyal following of clients who just want to know what’s happening. Is there going to be a Responsive version? And if there is, a rough idea of when? Surly that’s not unreasonable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by warrenr View Post
    I agree I think the lack of communication from NOF is disgraceful! As can be seen from the comments in this and other threads they have had a loyal following of clients who just want to know what’s happening. Is there going to be a Responsive version? And if there is, a rough idea of when? Surly that’s not unreasonable?
    See post #10 in this thread - that question has been asked since January 2014. It's now January 2017. What's the point anymore? It's now the job of hangers-on to provide residual revenue for NOF's last business cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beach Ape View Post
    See post #10 in this thread - that question has been asked since January 2014. It's now January 2017. What's the point anymore? It's now the job of hangers-on to provide residual revenue for NOF's last business cycle.
    Thanks for the reminder of how long ago!
    I still pop in occasionally to see how the discussion is going, but no longer have any personal interest (or hope) in a responsive version - all my websites have long since been move to Wordpress.
    I still stand by my original observation in that I think Netobjects knew there would be no more new versions and are simply selling as many copies as they can, and relying on this forum's good-hearted stalwarts to provide support services.
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    At this point it's not hard to come up with some depressing scenarios about Fusion's future. But some things don't make sense. Netobjects "acquired" Koken just a few months ago. I don't know what acquired means. Did it cost money, stock, borrowed funny money, or ???? And then there is Mosaic. I don't know any details about how they got it or when but Mosaic and Koken existence doesn't sound like a company that is going to drop out of sight soon.

    I think there are things going on within Netobjects but nobody except them know because nobody is talking. Netobjects could be doing what nobody expects like buying rights to brand and sell somebody's else product. I would believe a totally new product is coming because Fusion might have reached it's limit to be expanded to current software standards. Who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trimdoner View Post
    I still stand by my original observation in that I think Netobjects knew there would be no more new versions and are simply selling as many copies as they can, and relying on this forum's good-hearted stalwarts to provide support services.
    News of NetObjects demise are greatly exaggerated. Back in the days when this "forum" was on Usenet (IIRC), there was constant moaning and wailing that the company was bust, that there was only one guy in a basement somewhere just collecting whatever money they could, with no hope of a new version.

    Is NetO generally unresponsive (no pun intended) to user inquiries? Absolutely.

    Will NetO announce when a new version is coming? Never - like 99% of all software companies. That would simply cannibalize their current sales which pays the salary of the people developing the next version.

    Is NetO a tiny company with only a handful of staff? I'm pretty certain.

    Is NetO working on the next version of Fusion with responsive capabilities? I'd bet a large sum, including future earnings.

    Will NetO go out of business? Possibly, but not until after the next version is released. Depending on how long it takes to get it to market and whether it fills the bill (and whether there is anyone left using Fusion) will determine whether NetO finally goes under.

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