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    Nothing to do with NOF but it's quiet here......
    My laptop is trying my patience and have decided it's time for something new.

    Almost all new laptops come with WIN10 which I will not use. Could install earlier versions but am just fed up with Windows, full stop. My budget doesn't stretch to Macbooks so I am looking at LINUX. So many options, which one to choose? Can it run MS Office? Will it open existing Office documents/spreadsheets/Access etc? Think I read someone I would have to install some additional software to do that? Can I run things like RIOT and image software (I use FASTONE). Are the screens intuitive / easy to get around? Does it have the equivalent of Control Panel?

    Apart from Office I only REALLY need windows for NOF.

    Anyone have any experience with Linux...and which flavour is best?

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    If you set up a Linux system, just use Libre Office instead of MS. It opens all MS documents and is totally free. (I installed it on a Win 10 machine as I wasn't going to pay again for Office - I have Office 2013 3 PC licence installed on 2 laptops and 1 desktop, and it wouldn't install again on the fourth... )
    Most other stuff, i.e imaging, browsers, utilities etc. can be found easily which does anything paid software can.

    I have an Ubuntu system set up on an old pc which couldn't handle anything past XP just as a 'toy' project, which works well for web browsing etc.
    I've got Win 10 on 4 pcs and no probs at all, but that's another story... :-)

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    I use Linux Mint, which I find good and stable. Requires 1Gb RAM but works much better with 2Gb, My machine has 4 Gb. Libre Office opens all MSOffice documents and does all the things MSOffice does. There are many super programs alternative what one is usually used to when using windows. What's more is that they are free.

    Some cavetas: Can run some widows programmes using the WINE software. I have not tried it with NOF15 or any other version for that matter. Also, it has no freeware prrogramme that is capable of linking to a Microsoft Exchange server. If you don't need that, then Linux Mint is good and fast.

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    Ubuntu Mate is probably the best distro for a lot of reasons. Other distros have bugs which their devs never seem to get around to fixing. A very good way to get the best of both worlds is to use windows OS as the host OS and linux as the guest OS in a vmware setup. Vmware is not cheap but don't waste your time on the Oracle free VM, it's junk.

    You will find linux to be limiting. There is very little compatible software for linux compared to windows. Linux is in my opinion some what crude and unpolished compared to windows.
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    A big no no on Libre Office it seems....it cannot easily use MS Office Access databases. I came across this in a forum:

    You can not import a MS Access database into Base. You can however get access to the Tables in the MS Access database. there are two ways:-

    1) In LO select create a new Base Database. In the wizard select "Connect to an existing database". Select "Microsoft Access" from the drop down list and select the MS Access database file. You will then see the Tables in the MS Access database.

    2) If you want to use a Base database stand alone without having it connected to the MS Access file then after creating the connected database as in 1, with that database left open create another new standard Base database. Select each Table in turn in the connected database copy and then paste into the standard database.

    In both cases you will need to create new Forms, Reports, and Queries in the base databases as these elements can not be imported from the Access database,


    This last sentence is a killer for me as I have lots of applications using MS Access.
    It's also seemingly not able to import .pst files from Outlook into its email.

    Seems Like Open Office IS Compatible with MS Access and can update current MS Access databases.
    Seems Like Open Office also has a way of importing .pst files from MS Outlook into its freeware Evolution email client.

    Anyone any experience of Open Office?

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    I've used Open Office on Mac for years and move stuff regularly between OO on my laptop and Powerpoint on my church projection laptop. I haven't tried MS Access so can't answer that question but I do believe others have had problems. I'd suggest trying it and see what happens. I also second using VMWare; I use Fusion on my Mac to run all my old windows programs. Not much help I know, but all I can suggest is set up a virtual machine, install linux as previously suggested, and try it. It's easy enough to uninstall stuff if it doesn't work (although on windows, maybe it's not!)

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    Click the url and you will go to the vmware buy page but it also gives a lot of info for requirements, host OS, guest OS, and other stuff if you are interested. Cost is $150.

    https://store.vmware.com/store?Actio...ationPlayer_US


    If you want to try the free Oracle Virtual Box you can download it from here:

    http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/se...ads/index.html

    Don't forget to download the extensions on the same page down aways.

    I had Virtual Box on my win 7 machine with guest OS's: Dos 6.22, windows servers 2k, 2008, 2012, Ubuntu, Mint, Solaris 9 all at the same time. Maybe it works better now than it did when I used it a few years ago. They have a well staffed support forum.


    What's really weird about VM's and containers (they are similar technology) is that an OS may run in them but those same OS's may never run on the same hardware as a host OS. Magic!
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    Quote Originally Posted by franko View Post
    . It's easy enough to uninstall stuff if it doesn't work (although on windows, maybe it's not!)
    I don't know why everybody doesn't use an imaging software in the age of crytolocker, win 10 upgrades that trash computers, and software trials that won't uninstall. Imaging software works on just about everything and some of the best is free. I do an image every week with backups of data that changes. If my computer gets trashed, it takes less than 10 minutes to restore the last image and about the same time to restore the backups which occur daily.

    From a workflow standpoint, the above isn't exactly true because I have current multiple images on multiple hard drives. All my computers and servers have front access drive trays and it takes about 1 minute to switch drives and reboot. I do restores on drives when every thing is working on spare computers when I get to it.
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    For anybody who wants to see how a virtual machine works DOWNLOAD

    http://links.surr.us/ubuntuonxp.avi

    What I'm showing is the xp desktop, then the start of Oracle vitual box, then the start of ubuntu os, then the start of firefox, then show opening of NOF website. I also show how virtual box and ubuntu are just applications on xp and you can go from xp desktop to ubuntu desktop and back. Notice how reactive the mouse is and how fast sites open. This is an xp machine with only 2 gb of ram.

    Don't try to play the video without downloading it first or it won't play. If you can't figure out how to download it, download a copy of IDM (integrated download manager). It's free for 30 days. I have been using it for 5 years. Use settings to check auto download for firefox or whatever browser use in the settings menu.
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