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  1. #1
    Jeff H
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    Default Forms with captcha?

    I was wondering if anyone knew how to insert a captch (spam prevention)
    field in a form. I don't see an easy way to do it with the form handler
    toolbar. I saw a reference in the manual to the e-mail page function, but
    not in forms. Anyone know how? I know it can be done in NOF 10, (saw a site
    on the nof 10 discussion group), but can't figure it out for 11.
    Thanks,
    Jeff H


  2. #2
    Charles Edmonds
    Guest

    Default Re: Forms with captcha?

    On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 11:53:30 -0700, Jeff H wrote:

    > I was wondering if anyone knew how to insert a captch (spam prevention)
    > field in a form. I don't see an easy way to do it with the form handler
    > toolbar. I saw a reference in the manual to the e-mail page function, but
    > not in forms. Anyone know how? I know it can be done in NOF 10, (saw a site
    > on the nof 10 discussion group), but can't figure it out for 11.


    Hi Jeff,

    Many of us never use the NOF form handler.

    Instead we use the great FormM@iler script (free if you leave the "powered
    by" notice in, $20 to remove it).

    You can get it at:

    http://www.dbmasters.net/index.php?id=4

    It has a "sorta-captcha" that works well and it also has a built-in
    honey-pot feature (and other things) to trap spam.


    You can see it in use at:

    http://www.pagesnip.com/html/contactus.php

    (that is a form with a drop down that you can use to send mail to multiple
    addresses)

    We also use it in a single address mode here on our EZRound site:

    http://www.ezround.com/html/contact.html

    (but we have not added the new captcha there - just the honeypots and other
    traps).


    We get absolutely zero spam from our web forms.


    Does that help?

    Charles



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  3. #3
    user@domain.invalid
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    Default Re: Forms with captcha?

    Also, read back a few posts to one about emailing forms. Someone there
    turned me on to CoffeeCup Form Builder. I'm using it for forms from now
    on. It is VERY easy to use, one of the posts gave instructions for how
    to put it into a NOF page. Very simple and fast.

    http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/



    Jeff H wrote:
    > I was wondering if anyone knew how to insert a captch (spam prevention)
    > field in a form. I don't see an easy way to do it with the form handler
    > toolbar. I saw a reference in the manual to the e-mail page function,
    > but not in forms. Anyone know how? I know it can be done in NOF 10, (saw
    > a site on the nof 10 discussion group), but can't figure it out for 11.
    > Thanks,
    > Jeff H


  4. #4
    Twayne
    Guest

    Default Re: Forms with captcha?

    > Also, read back a few posts to one about emailing forms. Someone there
    > turned me on to CoffeeCup Form Builder. I'm using it for forms from
    > now on. It is VERY easy to use, one of the posts gave instructions
    > for how to put it into a NOF page. Very simple and fast.
    >
    > http://www.coffeecup.com/form-builder/


    Actually that's a decent recommendation IMO. Here's a couple links if
    you'd like more resources and information. Captcha isn't always the
    best answer though:

    http://www.captcha.net/

    Free captchas:
    http://www.captcha.net/captchas/

    Captcha Cons:
    http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest/

    Captcha pros are in the first link.
    FYI The rigidity of captcha codes has made them easy to hack these
    days (source: ZDNet articles) and hard of honest visitors. Several
    alternatives are emerging; see Google Search Engine.

    HTH

    Twayne


    >
    >
    >
    > Jeff H wrote:
    >> I was wondering if anyone knew how to insert a captch (spam
    >> prevention) field in a form. I don't see an easy way to do it with
    >> the form handler toolbar. I saw a reference in the manual to the
    >> e-mail page function, but not in forms. Anyone know how? I know it
    >> can be done in NOF 10, (saw a site on the nof 10 discussion group),
    >> but can't figure it out for 11. Thanks,
    >> Jeff H





  5. #5
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Forms with captcha?

    I side with Twayne on this. Image captchas are user un-friendly and should
    be a last resort after all other methods at fighting spam have been tried.

    My only reservation with Coffee Cup forms is that they are Flash driven and
    thus unusable by people without Flash. Incidentally, many companies disable
    Flash on company work stations.

    I second Charles' recommendation for formm@iler script by db masters. It's
    very reliable and it won't create accessibility problems for your site
    visitors.


    Nancy O.
    www.alt-web.com/Tutorials/
    NOF Tips & Tutorials


    "Jeff H" <jreg@velaction.com> wrote in message
    news:gbojra$h672@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > I was wondering if anyone knew how to insert a captch (spam prevention)
    > field in a form. I don't see an easy way to do it with the form handler
    > toolbar. I saw a reference in the manual to the e-mail page function, but
    > not in forms. Anyone know how? I know it can be done in NOF 10, (saw a

    site
    > on the nof 10 discussion group), but can't figure it out for 11.
    > Thanks,
    > Jeff H
    >




  6. #6
    Charles Edmonds
    Guest

    Default Re: Forms with captcha?

    On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 12:04:41 -0700, Nancy O wrote:

    > I second Charles' recommendation for formm@iler script by db masters. It's
    > very reliable and it won't create accessibility problems for your site
    > visitors.


    I checked our logs Nancy and it is interesting to note that since we put
    the updated FormM@iler script (with the Honeypot and Timer) on our sites
    like EZRound that do not have the captcha, there is zero spam from those
    sites as well.

    To that end, we are thinking of taking the Captcha off the other sites and
    just letting the hidden stuff do the work.

    Of course a side note here is that one place that the Captcha type stuff
    does make sense is when your trying to protect a site from data mining.

    ;-)

    Charles


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    www.ezround.com - "Round Corner HTML tables with matching Banners, Buttons
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  7. #7
    user@domain.invalid
    Guest

    Default Re: Forms with captcha?

    I'm not the biggest fan of Flash, but it has such a huge penetration now
    that you almost can't effectively use the web if you disable Flash. I
    think penetration is at least 95% now. Adobe says it's 99%.



    Nancy O wrote:
    > I side with Twayne on this. Image captchas are user un-friendly and should
    > be a last resort after all other methods at fighting spam have been tried.
    >
    > My only reservation with Coffee Cup forms is that they are Flash driven and
    > thus unusable by people without Flash. Incidentally, many companies disable
    > Flash on company work stations.
    >
    > I second Charles' recommendation for formm@iler script by db masters. It's
    > very reliable and it won't create accessibility problems for your site
    > visitors.
    >
    >
    > Nancy O.
    > www.alt-web.com/Tutorials/
    > NOF Tips & Tutorials
    >
    >
    > "Jeff H" <jreg@velaction.com> wrote in message
    > news:gbojra$h672@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> I was wondering if anyone knew how to insert a captch (spam prevention)
    >> field in a form. I don't see an easy way to do it with the form handler
    >> toolbar. I saw a reference in the manual to the e-mail page function, but
    >> not in forms. Anyone know how? I know it can be done in NOF 10, (saw a

    > site
    >> on the nof 10 discussion group), but can't figure it out for 11.
    >> Thanks,
    >> Jeff H
    >>

    >
    >


  8. #8
    LBA
    Guest

    Default Re: Forms with captcha?

    That's true about flash penetration... but a php script like formm@iler
    has advantages, too. I appreciate that fact that there are fewer
    limitations... you can easily customize both the look and the form
    processing to suite your needs. I had one situation where the client
    wanted to spread customer leads amongst a group of 30 salespeople...
    forward one lead to one person, the next one to the next person in line,
    and so on. I made a small change to formm@iler such that the recipient
    address was selected sequentially from a list and it works great. Try
    doing that with your flash form.

    Laurence


    user@domain.invalid wrote:
    > I'm not the biggest fan of Flash, but it has such a huge penetration
    > now that you almost can't effectively use the web if you disable
    > Flash. I think penetration is at least 95% now. Adobe says it's 99%.
    >
    >
    >
    > Nancy O wrote:
    >> I side with Twayne on this. Image captchas are user un-friendly and
    >> should
    >> be a last resort after all other methods at fighting spam have been
    >> tried.
    >>
    >> My only reservation with Coffee Cup forms is that they are Flash
    >> driven and
    >> thus unusable by people without Flash. Incidentally, many companies
    >> disable
    >> Flash on company work stations.
    >>
    >> I second Charles' recommendation for formm@iler script by db
    >> masters. It's
    >> very reliable and it won't create accessibility problems for your site
    >> visitors.
    >>
    >>
    >> Nancy O.
    >> www.alt-web.com/Tutorials/
    >> NOF Tips & Tutorials
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jeff H" <jreg@velaction.com> wrote in message
    >> news:gbojra$h672@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> I was wondering if anyone knew how to insert a captch (spam prevention)
    >>> field in a form. I don't see an easy way to do it with the form handler
    >>> toolbar. I saw a reference in the manual to the e-mail page
    >>> function, but
    >>> not in forms. Anyone know how? I know it can be done in NOF 10, (saw a

    >> site
    >>> on the nof 10 discussion group), but can't figure it out for 11.
    >>> Thanks,
    >>> Jeff H
    >>>

    >>
    >>


  9. #9
    user@domain.invalid
    Guest

    Default Re: Forms with captcha?

    I like the CoffeeCup Form Builder because my knowledge of code is
    limited and I can easily make and customize a form and have it up and
    running in about 10 minutes.



    LBA wrote:
    > That's true about flash penetration... but a php script like formm@iler
    > has advantages, too. I appreciate that fact that there are fewer
    > limitations... you can easily customize both the look and the form
    > processing to suite your needs. I had one situation where the client
    > wanted to spread customer leads amongst a group of 30 salespeople...
    > forward one lead to one person, the next one to the next person in line,
    > and so on. I made a small change to formm@iler such that the recipient
    > address was selected sequentially from a list and it works great. Try
    > doing that with your flash form.
    >
    > Laurence
    >
    >
    > user@domain.invalid wrote:
    >> I'm not the biggest fan of Flash, but it has such a huge penetration
    >> now that you almost can't effectively use the web if you disable
    >> Flash. I think penetration is at least 95% now. Adobe says it's 99%.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Nancy O wrote:
    >>> I side with Twayne on this. Image captchas are user un-friendly and
    >>> should
    >>> be a last resort after all other methods at fighting spam have been
    >>> tried.
    >>>
    >>> My only reservation with Coffee Cup forms is that they are Flash
    >>> driven and
    >>> thus unusable by people without Flash. Incidentally, many companies
    >>> disable
    >>> Flash on company work stations.
    >>>
    >>> I second Charles' recommendation for formm@iler script by db
    >>> masters. It's
    >>> very reliable and it won't create accessibility problems for your site
    >>> visitors.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Nancy O.
    >>> www.alt-web.com/Tutorials/
    >>> NOF Tips & Tutorials
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Jeff H" <jreg@velaction.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:gbojra$h672@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> I was wondering if anyone knew how to insert a captch (spam prevention)
    >>>> field in a form. I don't see an easy way to do it with the form handler
    >>>> toolbar. I saw a reference in the manual to the e-mail page
    >>>> function, but
    >>>> not in forms. Anyone know how? I know it can be done in NOF 10, (saw a
    >>> site
    >>>> on the nof 10 discussion group), but can't figure it out for 11.
    >>>> Thanks,
    >>>> Jeff H
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>


  10. #10
    Jeff H
    Guest

    Default Re: Forms with captcha?

    Thanks for all the responses. I appreciate the help.


    <user@domain.invalid> wrote in message
    news:gbrgtn$t0s2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >I like the CoffeeCup Form Builder because my knowledge of code is limited
    >and I can easily make and customize a form and have it up and running in
    >about 10 minutes.
    >
    >
    >
    > LBA wrote:
    >> That's true about flash penetration... but a php script like formm@iler
    >> has advantages, too. I appreciate that fact that there are fewer
    >> limitations... you can easily customize both the look and the form
    >> processing to suite your needs. I had one situation where the client
    >> wanted to spread customer leads amongst a group of 30 salespeople...
    >> forward one lead to one person, the next one to the next person in line,
    >> and so on. I made a small change to formm@iler such that the recipient
    >> address was selected sequentially from a list and it works great. Try
    >> doing that with your flash form.
    >>
    >> Laurence
    >>
    >>
    >> user@domain.invalid wrote:
    >>> I'm not the biggest fan of Flash, but it has such a huge penetration now
    >>> that you almost can't effectively use the web if you disable Flash. I
    >>> think penetration is at least 95% now. Adobe says it's 99%.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Nancy O wrote:
    >>>> I side with Twayne on this. Image captchas are user un-friendly and
    >>>> should
    >>>> be a last resort after all other methods at fighting spam have been
    >>>> tried.
    >>>>
    >>>> My only reservation with Coffee Cup forms is that they are Flash driven
    >>>> and
    >>>> thus unusable by people without Flash. Incidentally, many companies
    >>>> disable
    >>>> Flash on company work stations.
    >>>>
    >>>> I second Charles' recommendation for formm@iler script by db masters.
    >>>> It's
    >>>> very reliable and it won't create accessibility problems for your site
    >>>> visitors.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Nancy O.
    >>>> www.alt-web.com/Tutorials/
    >>>> NOF Tips & Tutorials
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Jeff H" <jreg@velaction.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:gbojra$h672@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>>> I was wondering if anyone knew how to insert a captch (spam
    >>>>> prevention)
    >>>>> field in a form. I don't see an easy way to do it with the form
    >>>>> handler
    >>>>> toolbar. I saw a reference in the manual to the e-mail page function,
    >>>>> but
    >>>>> not in forms. Anyone know how? I know it can be done in NOF 10, (saw a
    >>>> site
    >>>>> on the nof 10 discussion group), but can't figure it out for 11.
    >>>>> Thanks,
    >>>>> Jeff H
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>



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