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  1. #11
    Micah Klesick
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    Default Re: what do I say?

    It is not the vaildation, as there was only four errors and none where
    anything that would be a problem.

    Micah Klesick wrote:
    > I know... He was the reason I bought NOF 10. If it was not for him I
    > would not have got NOF 10, I would have never made any NOF 10
    > tutorials... would have not......
    > Maybe the reason he is my first client to complain is because he is my
    > second. I keep trying to get it to him that if anybody but me had
    > made the website he would have had to pay at least $800, probably more.
    > Meanwhile, what do you guys think of the design?
    > Micah
    >
    > Garret Mott wrote:
    >> He wants a discount on $300?????????
    >>
    >> Sheesh. Maybe - if you have to work with him outside of web
    >> development - you should just give him the whole 300 back & make him
    >> feel like the small-minded person he seems to be. Something along the
    >> lines of :"I've never had a client complain before. I don't want an
    >> unhappy one now. Here's your $300 & I'm sorry it didn't work out" In
    >> the long run, that might be the cheapest way out also!
    >>
    >> Garret Mott
    >>
    >> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    >> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >>


  2. #12
    Garret Mott
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    Default Re: what do I say?

    Hi Micah -

    I like the site - clean & simple. While I don't pretend to be an expert,
    I'm often surprised to see how cheaply people will do sites.

    I think 800 is still cheap for what they got.

    Garret Mott

    Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com



  3. #13
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: OT: what do I say?

    Not to mention - sometimes for generic products like that one has to
    face the fact they need to pay for sponsored links to get top rankings.

    LBA wrote:
    > I just searched for "bees" and there are 15 million results. He expects
    > you to be on top of that list? That was your mistake for not telling
    > him, from the get-go, that you can't guarantee him a top search rank...
    > you can only promise to build his site correctly, using accepted
    > practices, assuring him that his site will have a fair shot. After
    > that, it's all about content... and he's in charge of that. But it also
    > depends on what people search for. You can point out to him that if you
    > search for "cedar glen bees"........ he's NUMBER ONE!
    >
    > Laurence
    >
    >
    > Micah Klesick wrote:
    >> Hi guys,
    >> just wondering your opinion on website I just created for a client.
    >> http://www.cedarglenbees.com
    >> He really likes it, but he is not happy because it is not top on
    >> Google. The site has been up for about 2 months, not enough time to
    >> hardly get on google, let alone top. He says he had a friend check it
    >> for him to see what was wrong and way his site is not in Google. Here
    >> is what his friend said: "He claims the problem is in the addressing
    >> and I will not show up until this is corrected. He says there are some
    >> errors that prevent it from happening. Could you check this out and
    >> fix it for me?".
    >> I do not think the guy knows what he is talking about, as it is
    >> included in Google, just pretty low, but what is to expect for a 2
    >> month old site?
    >> Here is what my client wants: "If this is fact you owe me a discount
    >> this lack of exposure may be costing us sales." I am going to email
    >> him and say 'Whatever', but thought I would get your thoughts first.
    >> I have submitted XML sitemaps, submitted to Google, MSN, and some others.
    >> Micah
    >>
    >> http://www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com
    >> tutorials on NOF


  4. #14
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: what do I say?

    I don't see any errors in the code but I see some warnings you might want to
    clean up if just to keep him off your case.

    <script language="JavaScript"> should be changed to
    <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript"> occurs on lines 26, 48
    and 288

    line 108 empty <font>

    Queens page is missing images.

    Double check the position of banners. They are off center on some pages.

    Fonts used in first half of site don't look the same as fonts in 2nd half of
    site.

    You probably don't want to put anymore time and effort into this project but
    if you want my opinion, I would look for a slightly different bg image
    because your seams show and the image doesn't appear as sharp as it could.

    Honeycomb search at istockphoto produced quite a few.
    http://www.istockphoto.com/file_sear...eycomb&x=0&y=0

    And then run it through Photoshop/Image Ready tile maker to smooth out the
    seams.

    Overall, I think it's a very good effort.

    --Nancy









    "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    news:ev6d2r$i5710@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    > It is not the vaildation, as there was only four errors and none where
    > anything that would be a problem.
    >
    > Micah Klesick wrote:
    > > I know... He was the reason I bought NOF 10. If it was not for him I
    > > would not have got NOF 10, I would have never made any NOF 10
    > > tutorials... would have not......
    > > Maybe the reason he is my first client to complain is because he is my
    > > second. I keep trying to get it to him that if anybody but me had
    > > made the website he would have had to pay at least $800, probably more.
    > > Meanwhile, what do you guys think of the design?
    > > Micah
    > >
    > > Garret Mott wrote:
    > >> He wants a discount on $300?????????
    > >>
    > >> Sheesh. Maybe - if you have to work with him outside of web
    > >> development - you should just give him the whole 300 back & make him
    > >> feel like the small-minded person he seems to be. Something along the
    > >> lines of :"I've never had a client complain before. I don't want an
    > >> unhappy one now. Here's your $300 & I'm sorry it didn't work out" In
    > >> the long run, that might be the cheapest way out also!
    > >>
    > >> Garret Mott
    > >>
    > >> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    > >> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    > >>




  5. #15
    Micah Klesick
    Guest

    Default Re: what do I say?

    Nancy,
    I will change the code, thanks for helping out.
    For some odd reason, whenever I publish the queens page, it deletes the
    images, and I need to republish that page again to get them to show.
    Not sure why.
    I will change the fonts and center the banners. Thanks for pointing
    them out.
    I was wondering if I took the image I have and just made is scrolling
    with a #FFFFCC background color if that would be better?
    I do not have photoshop, just Paint.NET.
    thanks,

    Micah


    Nancy O wrote:
    > I don't see any errors in the code but I see some warnings you might want to
    > clean up if just to keep him off your case.
    >
    > <script language="JavaScript"> should be changed to
    > <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript"> occurs on lines 26, 48
    > and 288
    >
    > line 108 empty <font>
    >
    > Queens page is missing images.
    >
    > Double check the position of banners. They are off center on some pages.
    >
    > Fonts used in first half of site don't look the same as fonts in 2nd half of
    > site.
    >
    > You probably don't want to put anymore time and effort into this project but
    > if you want my opinion, I would look for a slightly different bg image
    > because your seams show and the image doesn't appear as sharp as it could.
    >
    > Honeycomb search at istockphoto produced quite a few.
    > http://www.istockphoto.com/file_sear...eycomb&x=0&y=0
    >
    > And then run it through Photoshop/Image Ready tile maker to smooth out the
    > seams.
    >
    > Overall, I think it's a very good effort.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    > news:ev6d2r$i5710@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    >> It is not the vaildation, as there was only four errors and none where
    >> anything that would be a problem.
    >>
    >> Micah Klesick wrote:
    >>> I know... He was the reason I bought NOF 10. If it was not for him I
    >>> would not have got NOF 10, I would have never made any NOF 10
    >>> tutorials... would have not......
    >>> Maybe the reason he is my first client to complain is because he is my
    >>> second. I keep trying to get it to him that if anybody but me had
    >>> made the website he would have had to pay at least $800, probably more.
    >>> Meanwhile, what do you guys think of the design?
    >>> Micah
    >>>
    >>> Garret Mott wrote:
    >>>> He wants a discount on $300?????????
    >>>>
    >>>> Sheesh. Maybe - if you have to work with him outside of web
    >>>> development - you should just give him the whole 300 back & make him
    >>>> feel like the small-minded person he seems to be. Something along the
    >>>> lines of :"I've never had a client complain before. I don't want an
    >>>> unhappy one now. Here's your $300 & I'm sorry it didn't work out" In
    >>>> the long run, that might be the cheapest way out also!
    >>>>
    >>>> Garret Mott
    >>>>
    >>>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    >>>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >>>>

    >
    >


  6. #16
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: what do I say?

    That could work too. Try it and see how it looks.
    I forgot to mention. The site is well worth $300 +++

    --Nancy
    Have a Happy Easter!



    "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    news:ev6hpq$imk7@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Nancy,
    > I will change the code, thanks for helping out.
    > For some odd reason, whenever I publish the queens page, it deletes the
    > images, and I need to republish that page again to get them to show.
    > Not sure why.
    > I will change the fonts and center the banners. Thanks for pointing
    > them out.
    > I was wondering if I took the image I have and just made is scrolling
    > with a #FFFFCC background color if that would be better?
    > I do not have photoshop, just Paint.NET.
    > thanks,
    >
    > Micah
    >
    >
    > Nancy O wrote:
    > > I don't see any errors in the code but I see some warnings you might

    want to
    > > clean up if just to keep him off your case.
    > >
    > > <script language="JavaScript"> should be changed to
    > > <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript"> occurs on lines

    26, 48
    > > and 288
    > >
    > > line 108 empty <font>
    > >
    > > Queens page is missing images.
    > >
    > > Double check the position of banners. They are off center on some

    pages.
    > >
    > > Fonts used in first half of site don't look the same as fonts in 2nd

    half of
    > > site.
    > >
    > > You probably don't want to put anymore time and effort into this project

    but
    > > if you want my opinion, I would look for a slightly different bg image
    > > because your seams show and the image doesn't appear as sharp as it

    could.
    > >
    > > Honeycomb search at istockphoto produced quite a few.
    > >

    http://www.istockphoto.com/file_sear...eycomb&x=0&y=0
    > >
    > > And then run it through Photoshop/Image Ready tile maker to smooth out

    the
    > > seams.
    > >
    > > Overall, I think it's a very good effort.
    > >
    > > --Nancy
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    > > news:ev6d2r$i5710@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    > >> It is not the vaildation, as there was only four errors and none where
    > >> anything that would be a problem.
    > >>
    > >> Micah Klesick wrote:
    > >>> I know... He was the reason I bought NOF 10. If it was not for him I
    > >>> would not have got NOF 10, I would have never made any NOF 10
    > >>> tutorials... would have not......
    > >>> Maybe the reason he is my first client to complain is because he is my
    > >>> second. I keep trying to get it to him that if anybody but me had
    > >>> made the website he would have had to pay at least $800, probably

    more.
    > >>> Meanwhile, what do you guys think of the design?
    > >>> Micah
    > >>>
    > >>> Garret Mott wrote:
    > >>>> He wants a discount on $300?????????
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Sheesh. Maybe - if you have to work with him outside of web
    > >>>> development - you should just give him the whole 300 back & make him
    > >>>> feel like the small-minded person he seems to be. Something along

    the
    > >>>> lines of :"I've never had a client complain before. I don't want an
    > >>>> unhappy one now. Here's your $300 & I'm sorry it didn't work out" In
    > >>>> the long run, that might be the cheapest way out also!
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Garret Mott
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    > >>>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    > >>>>

    > >
    > >




  7. #17
    Micah Klesick
    Guest

    Default Re: what do I say?

    Thanks for the compliment. It is my first contracted website. All my
    others were for me or my beekeeping club, which I did free. I just
    talked to him on the phone about it. I told him the plain truth, I
    can't do anymore. :-) I told the rest is just getting other beekeeping
    sites to link to him. He said that he thinks that the other programmer
    wanted the job.
    I am building a CubeCart website for him right now, it will be his
    online store, www.store.cedarglenbees.com, if you want to see how
    customizable CubeCart is.
    My 11th website is www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com, I started it
    last night and it is a nonprofit one for my beekeeping club. That is me
    handling the bees on the right. ;-)
    Any thoughts, as it is in it infancy, literary.
    Micah


    Nancy O wrote:
    > That could work too. Try it and see how it looks.
    > I forgot to mention. The site is well worth $300 +++
    >
    > --Nancy
    > Have a Happy Easter!
    >
    >
    >
    > "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    > news:ev6hpq$imk7@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Nancy,
    >> I will change the code, thanks for helping out.
    >> For some odd reason, whenever I publish the queens page, it deletes the
    >> images, and I need to republish that page again to get them to show.
    >> Not sure why.
    >> I will change the fonts and center the banners. Thanks for pointing
    >> them out.
    >> I was wondering if I took the image I have and just made is scrolling
    >> with a #FFFFCC background color if that would be better?
    >> I do not have photoshop, just Paint.NET.
    >> thanks,
    >>
    >> Micah
    >>
    >>
    >> Nancy O wrote:
    >>> I don't see any errors in the code but I see some warnings you might

    > want to
    >>> clean up if just to keep him off your case.
    >>>
    >>> <script language="JavaScript"> should be changed to
    >>> <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript"> occurs on lines

    > 26, 48
    >>> and 288
    >>>
    >>> line 108 empty <font>
    >>>
    >>> Queens page is missing images.
    >>>
    >>> Double check the position of banners. They are off center on some

    > pages.
    >>> Fonts used in first half of site don't look the same as fonts in 2nd

    > half of
    >>> site.
    >>>
    >>> You probably don't want to put anymore time and effort into this project

    > but
    >>> if you want my opinion, I would look for a slightly different bg image
    >>> because your seams show and the image doesn't appear as sharp as it

    > could.
    >>> Honeycomb search at istockphoto produced quite a few.
    >>>

    > http://www.istockphoto.com/file_sear...eycomb&x=0&y=0
    >>> And then run it through Photoshop/Image Ready tile maker to smooth out

    > the
    >>> seams.
    >>>
    >>> Overall, I think it's a very good effort.
    >>>
    >>> --Nancy
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:ev6d2r$i5710@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    >>>> It is not the vaildation, as there was only four errors and none where
    >>>> anything that would be a problem.
    >>>>
    >>>> Micah Klesick wrote:
    >>>>> I know... He was the reason I bought NOF 10. If it was not for him I
    >>>>> would not have got NOF 10, I would have never made any NOF 10
    >>>>> tutorials... would have not......
    >>>>> Maybe the reason he is my first client to complain is because he is my
    >>>>> second. I keep trying to get it to him that if anybody but me had
    >>>>> made the website he would have had to pay at least $800, probably

    > more.
    >>>>> Meanwhile, what do you guys think of the design?
    >>>>> Micah
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Garret Mott wrote:
    >>>>>> He wants a discount on $300?????????
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Sheesh. Maybe - if you have to work with him outside of web
    >>>>>> development - you should just give him the whole 300 back & make him
    >>>>>> feel like the small-minded person he seems to be. Something along

    > the
    >>>>>> lines of :"I've never had a client complain before. I don't want an
    >>>>>> unhappy one now. Here's your $300 & I'm sorry it didn't work out" In
    >>>>>> the long run, that might be the cheapest way out also!
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Garret Mott
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    >>>>>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >>>>>>
    >>>

    >
    >


  8. #18
    Garret Mott
    Guest

    Default Re: what do I say?

    Hi Micah -

    > My 11th website is www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com, I started it last
    > night and it is a nonprofit one for my beekeeping club. That is me
    > handling the bees on the right. ;-)


    Thanks for sharing this. While not a beekeeper, I'm amazed at how little
    press the current situation with bees is getting. Don't people understand
    the importance of a healthy bee population? Silly me, of course they don't.
    Food comes wrapped or canned in the store & that's it. Sigh - I'll get off
    my soapbox now.

    I'm looking forward to more info on the site (particularly about what an
    average person can do) & I hope everyone here reads it!

    Garret Mott

    Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com



  9. #19
    Micah Klesick
    Guest

    Default Re: what do I say?

    Garret Mott wrote:
    > Hi Micah -
    >
    >> My 11th website is www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com, I started it last
    >> night and it is a nonprofit one for my beekeeping club. That is me
    >> handling the bees on the right. ;-)

    >
    > Thanks for sharing this. While not a beekeeper, I'm amazed at how little
    > press the current situation with bees is getting. Don't people understand
    > the importance of a healthy bee population? Silly me, of course they don't.
    > Food comes wrapped or canned in the store & that's it. Sigh - I'll get off
    > my soapbox now.
    >
    > I'm looking forward to more info on the site (particularly about what an
    > average person can do) & I hope everyone here reads it!
    >
    > Garret Mott
    >
    > Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    > Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >
    >


    You are right, sadly. I am amazed at how many people think that milk
    comes from a bottle in the store, you would be shocked to see how many
    people think that chocolate milk comes from BROWN COWS!!
    Same with bees and honey, they think there is some machine that produces
    it at the store or something. We (the local beekeeping clubs) are going
    to be running a raffle to help raise funding for research in our apiary.
    It will be a month or so until the website is done, I will post it in
    the new sites NG when it is done. Of Course you can keep checking it
    out to see what new design feature I thought of. And if you have
    ideas that would be great.
    Thanks,
    Micah
    P.S. did you notice I posted the right way this time. LOL

  10. #20
    Linda Gerfen
    Guest

    Default Re: what do I say?


    "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    news:ev89el$plm1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Garret Mott wrote:
    >> Hi Micah -
    >>
    >>> My 11th website is www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com, I started it
    >>> last night and it is a nonprofit one for my beekeeping club. That is me
    >>> handling the bees on the right. ;-)

    >>
    >> Thanks for sharing this. While not a beekeeper, I'm amazed at how little
    >> press the current situation with bees is getting. Don't people
    >> understand the importance of a healthy bee population? Silly me, of
    >> course they don't. Food comes wrapped or canned in the store & that's it.
    >> Sigh - I'll get off my soapbox now.
    >>
    >> I'm looking forward to more info on the site (particularly about what an
    >> average person can do) & I hope everyone here reads it!
    >>
    >> Garret Mott
    >>
    >> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    >> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >>
    >>

    >
    > You are right, sadly. I am amazed at how many people think that milk
    > comes from a bottle in the store, you would be shocked to see how many
    > people think that chocolate milk comes from BROWN COWS!!
    > Same with bees and honey, they think there is some machine that produces
    > it at the store or something. We (the local beekeeping clubs) are going
    > to be running a raffle to help raise funding for research in our apiary.
    > It will be a month or so until the website is done, I will post it in the
    > new sites NG when it is done. Of Course you can keep checking it out to
    > see what new design feature I thought of. And if you have ideas that
    > would be great.
    > Thanks,
    > Micah
    > P.S. did you notice I posted the right way this time. LOL


    I've been hearing quite a bit about this bee problem on Coast to Coast AM
    (radio show) in recent weeks. Strange that no bee bodies are being found.
    Funny thing is that last summer (2006) I saw honey bees in my backyard for
    the first time in the 11 years that I've lived in my home here in Nevada.
    Prior to that it was only smaller insects that look like a small bee and
    wasps, which are both still around.

    BTW, I am in full view of a dairy farm complete with cows of all cow colors.
    <grin>

    Linda



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