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Okay, fair is fair.
I'm always happy to criticize you guys, so here's my entire collection of
published internet websites, all done with NOF 4.1... hit me with your best
shot!
Honestly, I will appreciate all feedback-- positive feedback is great for my
ego and negative feedback is great for my work.
www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my writing...
soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and, hopefully, soon to
earn some ad revenue.
www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic decisions
up to me.
www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
wanted me to do.
www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right up
there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the colour,
the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old saying... if you
want something done right, do it yourself!
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Waterspider wrote:
> Okay, fair is fair.
LOL
>
> I'm always happy to criticize you guys, so here's my entire collection of
> published internet websites, all done with NOF 4.1... hit me with your best
> shot!
> Honestly, I will appreciate all feedback-- positive feedback is great for my
> ego and negative feedback is great for my work.
>
> www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my writing...
> soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and, hopefully, soon to
> earn some ad revenue.
Not bad, The white text on the right side is a little hard to see on the
edge. For some reason the yellow "quick links" looked out of place.
I think the site would look better centered. I have a 17in monitor,
and it fills a good 3/4 of it, it probably over fills it on 14 monitors.
I like the color scheme.
>
> www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic decisions
> up to me.
Another site I think should be centered. The text on some of the pages
looks unconstrained. Also the text has to much bold. It might be better
with a different font that does not need to be bold.
I do like the short and sweet feel of it.
>
> www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
> wanted me to do.
>
Then it is pretty good for having disagreeing clients. <g>
> www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
> with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right up
> there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the colour,
> the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old saying... if you
> want something done right, do it yourself!
>
I totally agree. <g>
Let me guess, you live in Pender Harbour. right? <g>
>
Okay, I am going to let you look at all of my sites just for fun. <g>
Look at them and tell me what you think.
http://www.pilgrimsfaith.com - my sisters magazine.
http://www.stanwood-camanobeekeepers.com - my local beekeeping club.
http://www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com - my SAVE OUR BEES website.
http://www.creationtidbits.com - looking for a rework, just not sure
what. Creation Sciece, MY pet topic
http://www.webtest.creationtidbits.com - In the subdomain, just about done.
http://www.store.cedarglenbees.com - the store part of
www.cedarglenbees.com, not finished yet.
http://www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com - My tutorial website on NOF
I think that is all, (I started my first one,
www.stanwood-camanobeekeepers.com, almost exactly 1 year ago, and that
is how long I have been doing websites.)
Micah
www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com
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"Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote ...
> Waterspider wrote:
>> Okay, fair is fair.
> LOL
>
>> www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my
>> writing... soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and,
>> hopefully, soon to earn some ad revenue.
> Not bad, The white text on the right side is a little hard to see on the
> edge. For some reason the yellow "quick links" looked out of place.
> I think the site would look better centered. I have a 17in monitor, and
> it fills a good 3/4 of it, it probably over fills it on 14 monitors.
> I like the color scheme.
Creepy. You've mentioned all the things I've changed in my revision. I
ditched the right-hand vertical strip, replaced the Quick Links with a more
subtle box of Uber Links and reduced the width of the page. I absolutely
cannot figure out how to centre my pages; I don't think it's possible
without the Dynamic Page option, and I don't want to go there because I lose
the ability to layer graphics, i.e. the animated flag gif on the banner.
Glad you like the colour scheme; it's not changed.
>>
>> www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic
>> decisions up to me.
> Another site I think should be centered. The text on some of the pages
> looks unconstrained. Also the text has to much bold. It might be better
> with a different font that does not need to be bold.
> I do like the short and sweet feel of it.
Thanks! I agree that the bold looks a bit thick, but I was worried that some
monitors might not display the white-on-blue clearly. At the time I didn't
know how to create a transparent gif, and I'm not happy with the way the
logos look pasted-on. The front-page logo was a nightmare of pixel editing!
LOL, I've not looked at this one in a while... "Lineman Lance Seabrook" is
now the company owner; his Dad is semi-retired.
>>
>> www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
>> wanted me to do.
>>
> Then it is pretty good for having disagreeing clients. <g>
LOL! They eventually split up. I'm not pleased with the logo-- it was a
low-res gif that I used in a print ad for them, never expecting them to
adopt it as a logo. Note to self: learn how to use Illustrator.
>
>> www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
>> with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right
>> up there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the
>> colour, the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old
>> saying... if you want something done right, do it yourself!
> I totally agree. <g>
I'm relieved to hear this. Hahaha-- had you said anything nice about it, I'd
be really concerned about your sense of design.
>
> Let me guess, you live in Pender Harbour. right? <g>
Good guess!
>>
>
> Okay, I am going to let you look at all of my sites just for fun. <g>
> Look at them and tell me what you think.
> http://www.pilgrimsfaith.com - my sisters magazine.
You're only 15??? No way! I apologize for being so hard on your work, I
thought you were twice that. You, my man, are going to go places and do
great things with a start like this. Don't tell anyone your age though;
better to let them think you're older and have way more experience. <g> Oh
yeah, your sister's site. I like it. Normally I wouldn't recommend that font
(Georgia?) for body copy text, but it works well with the subject and the
colour scheme. You shouldn't have capitalized "Three" (you find it). On the
Current Issue page, however, you've used a font (Chiller or somthing like
that) which probably won't display properly on a lot of browsers. There's
less than ten reliable fonts, and a good idea to stick with them. Otherwise,
make a gif or jpg of the text you want in uncommon fonts. One last thing...
the Bible image is odd. Makes me wonder why it's there. Maybe it's a link? A
mouseover says "Bible02 copy," which doesn't do a thing for me. I suggest
that you find a better, smaller image, line it up under the nav bar and
maybe put in a scripture quote for the mouseover. The site doesn't mention a
particular religion, so someone like me has no clue which one it's about. Is
this deliberate or an oversight? Finally, I've always liked that NOF style
and never had the opportunity to apply it. It works very well here. Kudos to
Emily for being a publisher. Amazing family! I suppose next I'll be hearing
that Andrew's hobby is nuclear physics... Okay, on to the beekeepers...
> http://www.stanwood-camanobeekeepers.com - my local beekeeping club.
Excellent! Suggestions for improvements are minor. Nav Bar - make your boxes
a touch wider so text doesn't get squeezed. Either don't frame any of your
photos or frame them all with an identical border. I find most animated
features annoying, but I love the purple bees that light on the edge of the
page, subtle and nice.... but why are they purple? Each page should have the
same text font and size-- you've got something different happening all over
the place. I'm looking at Mentors... text runs away, off the right edge of
the background. Events - better in a list or a table; spacing is wonky. But,
I'm sure you see this stuff anyway. Again, you've made a perfect style
choice. The swarm photos are awesome! I've got some good macro shots of
honeybees on flowers (mostly lavender) if you'd like one.
> http://www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com - my SAVE OUR BEES website.
Yes, you need to put some text there. Oh my, you have no goals!!! <g>
Looks like this is in the development stage, so you can try a couple of
things... get rid of the borders and different coloured text box
backgrounds. The topic is fairly serious, so you want to focus on the
content. Unless it's a title, don't centre it (block left is the easiest to
read). I like the way your Photo Gallery works, but all pics should be the
same size. Interesting topic; I'd not heard there was a problem.
> http://www.creationtidbits.com - looking for a rework, just not sure what.
> Creation Sciece, MY pet topic
Waaay too busy, waaay too many boxes all over the place. And, be consistent
with your text-- every page, same size, same font, always, always, always!
You've put together some excellent styles on other sites, looks like this
one needs one to give it some structure and form. You need a good navigation
system too; as is, one gets the impression that some of those boxes are ads
or links to other sites when in fact they're links to other pages in the
site they're on. Oh yeah, about the ozone. <g> Ya think maybe if something
could live without oxygen then maybe something else could live without an
ozone layer?
> http://www.webtest.creationtidbits.com - In the subdomain, just about
> done.
Looks very professional, very good, very well organized. I really can't find
anything here that I don't like, but I have to come up with some kind of
suggestion. Hmmm... okay, how bout a higher quality image/s for the banner?
> http://www.store.cedarglenbees.com - the store part of
Store part should like the rest of it.
> www.cedarglenbees.com, not finished yet.
Okay, I've already had a shot at this one.
> http://www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com - My tutorial website on NOF
So here you're taking the position of a professional website developer,
qualified to advise/instruct others with the use of NOF. Quite a
responsibility. It looks good... but... BACK AWAY FROM THE BORDERS! You're
getting better with consistence of font and size, but have another look at
your site-- the objective is a seamless transition between pages. The frame
for tutorials is unnecessary; just list them.
>
Wow, that was quite an excursion-- with dinner and a phone call as
interruptions. Hope some of my suggestions/opinions help you out. Thanks for
sharing.
Waterspider
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<g> Micah
Waterspider wrote:
> Reply interspersed
>
> "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote ...
>> Waterspider wrote:
>>> Okay, fair is fair.
>> LOL
>>
>>> www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my
>>> writing... soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and,
>>> hopefully, soon to earn some ad revenue.
>> Not bad, The white text on the right side is a little hard to see on the
>> edge. For some reason the yellow "quick links" looked out of place.
>> I think the site would look better centered. I have a 17in monitor, and
>> it fills a good 3/4 of it, it probably over fills it on 14 monitors.
>> I like the color scheme.
>
> Creepy. You've mentioned all the things I've changed in my revision. I
> ditched the right-hand vertical strip, replaced the Quick Links with a more
> subtle box of Uber Links and reduced the width of the page. I absolutely
> cannot figure out how to centre my pages; I don't think it's possible
> without the Dynamic Page option, and I don't want to go there because I lose
> the ability to layer graphics, i.e. the animated flag gif on the banner.
> Glad you like the colour scheme; it's not changed.
Glad I have some design in me. LOL
>>> www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic
>>> decisions up to me.
>> Another site I think should be centered. The text on some of the pages
>> looks unconstrained. Also the text has to much bold. It might be better
>> with a different font that does not need to be bold.
>> I do like the short and sweet feel of it.
>
> Thanks! I agree that the bold looks a bit thick, but I was worried that some
> monitors might not display the white-on-blue clearly. At the time I didn't
> know how to create a transparent gif, and I'm not happy with the way the
> logos look pasted-on. The front-page logo was a nightmare of pixel editing!
> LOL, I've not looked at this one in a while... "Lineman Lance Seabrook" is
> now the company owner; his Dad is semi-retired.
>
>>> www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
>>> wanted me to do.
>>>
>> Then it is pretty good for having disagreeing clients. <g>
>
> LOL! They eventually split up. I'm not pleased with the logo-- it was a
> low-res gif that I used in a print ad for them, never expecting them to
> adopt it as a logo. Note to self: learn how to use Illustrator.
I just want PhotoShop. <g>
Gotta Watch them Customers.
>>> www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
>>> with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right
>>> up there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the
>>> colour, the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old
>>> saying... if you want something done right, do it yourself!
>> I totally agree. <g>
>
> I'm relieved to hear this. Hahaha-- had you said anything nice about it, I'd
> be really concerned about your sense of design.
>> Let me guess, you live in Pender Harbour. right? <g>
>
> Good guess!
>> Okay, I am going to let you look at all of my sites just for fun. <g>
>> Look at them and tell me what you think.
>
>> http://www.pilgrimsfaith.com - my sisters magazine.
> You're only 15??? No way! I apologize for being so hard on your work, I
> thought you were twice that.
Thats okay, you are not the first (for both) and I am VERY hard to
offend. <g>
The www.stanwood-camanobeekeepers.com was the first website I every
made, and that was when I started using NOF 7.5 and that was when I
started. That website is how I keep track of how long I have been doing
webdesign, I started it March last year, and that is how long I have
been doing webdesign.
You, my man, are going to go places and do
> great things with a start like this. Don't tell anyone your age though;
> better to let them think you're older and have way more experience. <g>
You're a little late, I never tell anyone my age, because a surprising
amount do not like a 15 year old telling them how to use NOF, which I do
quite often. <g> Not sure why, in Computers, age does not matter, it is
knowledge. But they take the advice better if they do not know. <g>
Oh
> yeah, your sister's site. I like it. Normally I wouldn't recommend that font
> (Georgia?) for body copy text, but it works well with the subject and the
> colour scheme.
Correct on the font type, but it went well. <g>
You shouldn't have capitalized "Three" (you find it). On the
> Current Issue page, however, you've used a font (Chiller or somthing like
> that) which probably won't display properly on a lot of browsers. There's
> less than ten reliable fonts, and a good idea to stick with them. Otherwise,
> make a gif or jpg of the text you want in uncommon fonts. One last thing...
> the Bible image is odd. Makes me wonder why it's there. Maybe it's a link? A
> mouseover says "Bible02 copy," which doesn't do a thing for me. I suggest
> that you find a better, smaller image, line it up under the nav bar and
> maybe put in a scripture quote for the mouseover. The site doesn't mention a
> particular religion, so someone like me has no clue which one it's about. Is
> this deliberate or an oversight?
The reason is that no one is supposed to see it except for the people
who get her magazine. So they all know that we are Christians, but I
will mention it to her.
Finally, I've always liked that NOF style
> and never had the opportunity to apply it. It works very well here. Kudos to
> Emily for being a publisher. Amazing family! I suppose next I'll be hearing
> that Andrew's hobby is nuclear physics...
Andrew is trying to take up webdesign, and he is only 9, my 12 year old
brother Aaron has his own haybaling business and his own tracter, I am
better at backing up trailers and driving tractors than most. <g>
Okay, on to the beekeepers...
>
>> http://www.stanwood-camanobeekeepers.com - my local beekeeping club.
>
> Excellent! Suggestions for improvements are minor. Nav Bar - make your boxes
> a touch wider so text doesn't get squeezed. Either don't frame any of your
> photos or frame them all with an identical border.
For some reason NOF will only let me put borders on certain pics, not
sure why. The Navbar is the default and cannot be changed and I do not
have PhotoShop to edit them anyway.
I find most animated
> features annoying, but I love the purple bees that light on the edge of the
> page, subtle and nice.... but why are they purple?
The reason they are purple is that at the time, they were the only ones
I could find, even now I cannot find any that are just the bee, (no
background.) Yes, I lot of people love them. I even have fen playing
with them. Did you mouse over them? Try it. <g>
Each page should have the
> same text font and size-- you've got something different happening all over
> the place. I'm looking at Mentors... text runs away, off the right edge of
> the background. Events - better in a list or a table; spacing is wonky. But,
> I'm sure you see this stuff anyway.
I agree, like I said this was my first website, and I have made about
8-10 more since and have been pretty busy. I did some changes site wide
before checking to see if they looked good, and they did not, so I
changed it back, but missed some pages, which explains the mentors page.
Again, you've made a perfect style
> choice. The swarm photos are awesome! I've got some good macro shots of
> honeybees on flowers (mostly lavender) if you'd like one.
both of those swarms are ones I took, the one on the fence was 50 yards
from our house, very cool, I got to catch it with my beekeeping mentor.
Now I am the mentor. <g> I take all the good bee pics I can get, If I
use them I will credit you if you wish. <g> One of my other programming
friends did a little beekeeping last year, and she took at video, which
I will be putting on the website, just a 8s flash, but I think it is a
good shot of a queen and her attendants. you will have to see it when I
put it up.
>
>> http://www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com - my SAVE OUR BEES website.
>
> Yes, you need to put some text there. Oh my, you have no goals!!! <g>
> Looks like this is in the development stage,
Correct, I opened it for the first time less than 2 days ago, so that is
why there is not much text. <g>
so you can try a couple of
> things... get rid of the borders and different coloured text box
> backgrounds.
Umm, what different colored boxes?
If I do not use the borders it seems messier to me...
Check it again, as I changed it, and see if that was what you were
talking about.
Why don't you like borders?
The topic is fairly serious, so you want to focus on the
> content. Unless it's a title, don't centre it (block left is the easiest to
> read). I fixed that, had not noticed.
I like the way your Photo Gallery works, but all pics should be the
> same size.
that is a hard request, as there are many types of shots, and cropping
to make many of the beekeeping pics look really good.
Interesting topic; I'd not heard there was a problem.
>
Very big problem, I have 2/3 of my hives to it, some beekeepers have
lost 9,000 out of 10,000 hives to CCD.
I am surprised you have not heard about it as just about every radio
station and newspaper has had several articles on it.
>> http://www.creationtidbits.com - looking for a rework, just not sure what.
>> Creation Sciece, MY pet topic
>
> Waaay too busy, waaay too many boxes all over the place. And, be consistent
> with your text-- every page, same size, same font, always, always, always!
> You've put together some excellent styles on other sites, looks like this
> one needs one to give it some structure and form. You need a good navigation
> system too; as is, one gets the impression that some of those boxes are ads
> or links to other sites when in fact they're links to other pages in the
> site they're on.
okay, thanks for that, I was wondering what the problem was. <g> I will
have to get to work, (like I have the time) <g>
I will probably redo the site, it could probably win the ugly site
award. <g>
Oh yeah, about the ozone. <g> Ya think maybe if something
> could live without oxygen then maybe something else could live without an
> ozone layer?
NO! Are you ready? <g> You know what the Ozone Layer is for, right?
It keeps the Ultra-Violet rays from the sun. NOTHING, nothing can
escape those destructive rays, even the major Evolutionists have to
agree, and do. It kills all life, no matter how small or tough. Things
can live without oxygen, but like it said, when there is no oxygen,
there is no Ozone, and nothing can start with out a Ozone hole.
I always laugh at NASA and NOAA, spending Billions of our tax dollars to
try and prevent Global Warming and the Ozone hole from getting bigger.
But since they are Evolutionists, why don't they just let Nature take
it's course, as Evolution would prevail and things would go back to
normal, right? According to them, the temperature has risen and fallen
hundreds of times over the last 'billions of years'.
I just Love arguing Evolution Vs. Creation. <g>
check out http://creationscience.com/. It explains Creation Science
with 100% science. Not the best website design though. <g>
>
>> http://www.webtest.creationtidbits.com - In the subdomain, just about
>> done.
>
> Looks very professional, very good, very well organized. I really can't find
> anything here that I don't like, but I have to come up with some kind of
> suggestion. Hmmm... okay, how bout a higher quality image/s for the banner?
LOL, so there is a look you like!! <g> That is the first time you have
ever not found anything wrong with a site. <g> I feel like I am master
web designer now. LOL
>
>> http://www.store.cedarglenbees.com - the store part of
>
> Store part should like the rest of it.
Yes, I am not done with it yet, but I agree.
>
>> www.cedarglenbees.com, not finished yet.
>
> Okay, I've already had a shot at this one.
Yah you did! LOL
>
>> http://www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com - My tutorial website on NOF
>
> So here you're taking the position of a professional website developer,
> qualified to advise/instruct others with the use of NOF. Quite a
> responsibility. It looks good... but... BACK AWAY FROM THE BORDERS!
Okay, I will pull the borders. Have you tried any of the tutorials?
You're
> getting better with consistence of font and size, but have another look at
> your site-- the objective is a seamless transition between pages. The frame
> for tutorials is unnecessary; just list them.
I did that to keep the page less cluttered, it is not needed, just
thought it would be a nice touch.
> Wow, that was quite an excursion-- with dinner and a phone call as
> interruptions. Hope some of my suggestions/opinions help you out. Thanks for
> sharing.
Thanks for helping. I have one request. If you have the time, I would
like to see exactly what yo envision for the Save our bees website,
maybe you could recreate it, just so we can see what you think the
perfect site would look like. <g>
Only if you wish.
Thanks,
Micah
>
> Waterspider
>
>
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Hey WaterSpider, (and any one else)
Please make suggestions as to what I can do to make this site very
pleasing to the eye and professional. I want it to be my best website.
it is still in the subdomain. www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com
Thanks,
Micah
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Richard Wayne Garganta
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My first thought upon seeing the page is the same background color but
in a nice soft texture instead of just plain color.
Micah Klesick wrote:
> Hey WaterSpider, (and any one else)
> Please make suggestions as to what I can do to make this site very
> pleasing to the eye and professional. I want it to be my best website.
> it is still in the subdomain. www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com
>
> Thanks,
> Micah
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My first thought is that the site looks a little bland and outdated.
Gradients, background images, rounded corners, maybe more creative use
of colour can all be used to make the site more 'now' and interesting.
Micah Klesick wrote:
> Hey WaterSpider, (and any one else)
> Please make suggestions as to what I can do to make this site very
> pleasing to the eye and professional. I want it to be my best website.
> it is still in the subdomain. www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com
>
> Thanks,
> Micah
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Micah,
I get an undesired pop-up warning...is this by design?
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Bert
"Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
news:f0bn11$48n1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Hey WaterSpider, (and any one else)
> Please make suggestions as to what I can do to make this site very
> pleasing to the eye and professional. I want it to be my best website.
> it is still in the subdomain. www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com
>
> Thanks,
> Micah
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I found this free template that might give you some ideas. It's at:
http://www.opendesigns.org/preview/?template=589
Linda
"Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
news:f0bn11$48n1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Hey WaterSpider, (and any one else)
> Please make suggestions as to what I can do to make this site very
> pleasing to the eye and professional. I want it to be my best website.
> it is still in the subdomain. www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com
>
> Thanks,
> Micah
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The midway site - again should be centered. You have white fringe on
your graphics. I know it takes some forethought while designing the
graphic but it is possible to completely avoid that. Nice site.
Waterspider wrote:
> Okay, fair is fair.
>
> I'm always happy to criticize you guys, so here's my entire collection of
> published internet websites, all done with NOF 4.1... hit me with your best
> shot!
> Honestly, I will appreciate all feedback-- positive feedback is great for my
> ego and negative feedback is great for my work.
>
> www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my writing...
> soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and, hopefully, soon to
> earn some ad revenue.
>
> www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic decisions
> up to me.
>
> www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
> wanted me to do.
>
> www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
> with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right up
> there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the colour,
> the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old saying... if you
> want something done right, do it yourself!
>
>
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