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*TARGET>>>> Waterspider
Okay, fair is fair.
I'm always happy to criticize you guys, so here's my entire collection of
published internet websites, all done with NOF 4.1... hit me with your best
shot!
Honestly, I will appreciate all feedback-- positive feedback is great for my
ego and negative feedback is great for my work.
www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my writing...
soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and, hopefully, soon to
earn some ad revenue.
www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic decisions
up to me.
www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
wanted me to do.
www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right up
there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the colour,
the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old saying... if you
want something done right, do it yourself!
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Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider
Waterspider wrote:
> Okay, fair is fair.
LOL
>
> I'm always happy to criticize you guys, so here's my entire collection of
> published internet websites, all done with NOF 4.1... hit me with your best
> shot!
> Honestly, I will appreciate all feedback-- positive feedback is great for my
> ego and negative feedback is great for my work.
>
> www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my writing...
> soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and, hopefully, soon to
> earn some ad revenue.
Not bad, The white text on the right side is a little hard to see on the
edge. For some reason the yellow "quick links" looked out of place.
I think the site would look better centered. I have a 17in monitor,
and it fills a good 3/4 of it, it probably over fills it on 14 monitors.
I like the color scheme.
>
> www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic decisions
> up to me.
Another site I think should be centered. The text on some of the pages
looks unconstrained. Also the text has to much bold. It might be better
with a different font that does not need to be bold.
I do like the short and sweet feel of it.
>
> www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
> wanted me to do.
>
Then it is pretty good for having disagreeing clients. <g>
> www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
> with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right up
> there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the colour,
> the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old saying... if you
> want something done right, do it yourself!
>
I totally agree. <g>
Let me guess, you live in Pender Harbour. right? <g>
>
Okay, I am going to let you look at all of my sites just for fun. <g>
Look at them and tell me what you think.
http://www.pilgrimsfaith.com - my sisters magazine.
http://www.stanwood-camanobeekeepers.com - my local beekeeping club.
http://www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com - my SAVE OUR BEES website.
http://www.creationtidbits.com - looking for a rework, just not sure
what. Creation Sciece, MY pet topic
http://www.webtest.creationtidbits.com - In the subdomain, just about done.
http://www.store.cedarglenbees.com - the store part of
www.cedarglenbees.com, not finished yet.
http://www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com - My tutorial website on NOF
I think that is all, (I started my first one,
www.stanwood-camanobeekeepers.com, almost exactly 1 year ago, and that
is how long I have been doing websites.)
Micah
www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com
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Richard Wayne Garganta
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Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider
The midway site - again should be centered. You have white fringe on
your graphics. I know it takes some forethought while designing the
graphic but it is possible to completely avoid that. Nice site.
Waterspider wrote:
> Okay, fair is fair.
>
> I'm always happy to criticize you guys, so here's my entire collection of
> published internet websites, all done with NOF 4.1... hit me with your best
> shot!
> Honestly, I will appreciate all feedback-- positive feedback is great for my
> ego and negative feedback is great for my work.
>
> www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my writing...
> soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and, hopefully, soon to
> earn some ad revenue.
>
> www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic decisions
> up to me.
>
> www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
> wanted me to do.
>
> www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
> with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right up
> there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the colour,
> the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old saying... if you
> want something done right, do it yourself!
>
>
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Richard Wayne Garganta
Guest
Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider
The other sites were nice, but again not centered.
Waterspider wrote:
> Okay, fair is fair.
>
> I'm always happy to criticize you guys, so here's my entire collection of
> published internet websites, all done with NOF 4.1... hit me with your best
> shot!
> Honestly, I will appreciate all feedback-- positive feedback is great for my
> ego and negative feedback is great for my work.
>
> www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my writing...
> soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and, hopefully, soon to
> earn some ad revenue.
>
> www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic decisions
> up to me.
>
> www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
> wanted me to do.
>
> www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
> with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right up
> there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the colour,
> the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old saying... if you
> want something done right, do it yourself!
>
>
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Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider
"Waterspider" <nospam@all.com> wrote in message
news:eveac1$h5b3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Okay, fair is fair.
>
> I'm always happy to criticize you guys, so here's my entire collection of
> published internet websites, all done with NOF 4.1... hit me with your
> best shot!
> Honestly, I will appreciate all feedback-- positive feedback is great for
> my ego and negative feedback is great for my work.
>
> www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my
> writing... soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and,
> hopefully, soon to earn some ad revenue.
>
> www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic
> decisions up to me.
>
> www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
> wanted me to do.
>
> www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
> with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right
> up there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the
> colour, the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old
> saying... if you want something done right, do it yourself!
>
I liked the first three but the fourth one with all the orange I can see why
it's on your list for a major revision.
My baby, online since 2000 and first built with NOF 4, is
www.shoeboxrecipes.com - currently built with NOF 9. It went through a
period of nearly two years using Mambo & then Joomla but I didn't like not
having the hands-on feeling that NOF provides. Using a CMS is certainly easy
to add new content but I missed NOF too much to continue along that path. I
have other sites that I won't mention here (some use a CMS) but they're all
due for major rebuilds in NOF 10 once I get my head wrapped around it.
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Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider
Linda Gerfen wrote:
>>
> I liked the first three but the fourth one with all the orange I can see why
> it's on your list for a major revision.
> My baby, online since 2000 and first built with NOF 4, is
> www.shoeboxrecipes.com - currently built with NOF 9. It went through a
> period of nearly two years using Mambo & then Joomla but I didn't like not
> having the hands-on feeling that NOF provides. Using a CMS is certainly easy
> to add new content but I missed NOF too much to continue along that path. I
> have other sites that I won't mention here (some use a CMS) but they're all
> due for major rebuilds in NOF 10 once I get my head wrapped around it.
>
>
Nice Site, one thing you need it better navigation.
Very clean look.
Micah
www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com
tutorials on NOF
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"Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
news:eveegn$h5b10@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
> Linda Gerfen wrote:
>
>>>
>> I liked the first three but the fourth one with all the orange I can see
>> why it's on your list for a major revision.
>> My baby, online since 2000 and first built with NOF 4, is
>> www.shoeboxrecipes.com - currently built with NOF 9. It went through a
>> period of nearly two years using Mambo & then Joomla but I didn't like
>> not having the hands-on feeling that NOF provides. Using a CMS is
>> certainly easy to add new content but I missed NOF too much to continue
>> along that path. I have other sites that I won't mention here (some use a
>> CMS) but they're all due for major rebuilds in NOF 10 once I get my head
>> wrapped around it.
>
> Nice Site, one thing you need it better navigation.
> Very clean look.
> Micah
> www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com
> tutorials on NOF
Yes, I have to agree. The site is currently approaching 900 pages and making
navigation simple is my nemesis! I have tried using the NOF graphical
navbars but that takes up a lot of space to do it right, even using the
flyouts for related sections. Nevermind the multiple, duplicate graphics
involved in generating the site as a result. I suppose I could "bite the
bullet" and take that route with the next redesign. Back to the drawing
board. Also, I don't care for the looks of the text navbar when used
vertically.
I have also tried using javascript navigation found at Dynamic Drive but at
best it looked clunky and ugly. To add to the dilemna, I've read that no
website needs more than 7 items in the main navigation. Amazed that I still
have any hair left after pulling it out over this.
The site is constructed using 35 separate NOF files all brought together by
each having the same set of identical "base" pages. Each of the "base" pages
is further developed in its own .nod so no additional linking using actual
URLs is required. Doing it this way simplifies adding content and no one
file is ever too large for NOF. Of course when a redesign occurs, it does
require that the home page be put into a template and imported into each of
the other sites. Not hard but it can sometimes take me a few days to
accomplish. Have to come up for air now and then.
Linda
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> Yes, I have to agree. The site is currently approaching 900 pages and making
> navigation simple is my nemesis! I have tried using the NOF graphical
> navbars but that takes up a lot of space to do it right, even using the
> flyouts for related sections. Nevermind the multiple, duplicate graphics
> involved in generating the site as a result. I suppose I could "bite the
> bullet" and take that route with the next redesign. Back to the drawing
> board. Also, I don't care for the looks of the text navbar when used
> vertically.
>
> I have also tried using javascript navigation found at Dynamic Drive but at
> best it looked clunky and ugly. To add to the dilemna, I've read that no
> website needs more than 7 items in the main navigation. Amazed that I still
> have any hair left after pulling it out over this.
>
> The site is constructed using 35 separate NOF files all brought together by
> each having the same set of identical "base" pages. Each of the "base" pages
> is further developed in its own .nod so no additional linking using actual
> URLs is required. Doing it this way simplifies adding content and no one
> file is ever too large for NOF. Of course when a redesign occurs, it does
> require that the home page be put into a template and imported into each of
> the other sites. Not hard but it can sometimes take me a few days to
> accomplish. Have to come up for air now and then.
>
> Linda
>
>
I was thinking along the lines of the navigation you have in a more
clear place, not a different one.
Micah
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Reply interspersed
"Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote ...
> Waterspider wrote:
>> Okay, fair is fair.
> LOL
>
>> www.penderharbour.org - My baby... my idea, my photos, my art, my
>> writing... soon to be replaced with a major NOF 10 revision and,
>> hopefully, soon to earn some ad revenue.
> Not bad, The white text on the right side is a little hard to see on the
> edge. For some reason the yellow "quick links" looked out of place.
> I think the site would look better centered. I have a 17in monitor, and
> it fills a good 3/4 of it, it probably over fills it on 14 monitors.
> I like the color scheme.
Creepy. You've mentioned all the things I've changed in my revision. I
ditched the right-hand vertical strip, replaced the Quick Links with a more
subtle box of Uber Links and reduced the width of the page. I absolutely
cannot figure out how to centre my pages; I don't think it's possible
without the Dynamic Page option, and I don't want to go there because I lose
the ability to layer graphics, i.e. the animated flag gif on the banner.
Glad you like the colour scheme; it's not changed.
>>
>> www.midwaypower.com - Client was a joy to work with, left artistic
>> decisions up to me.
> Another site I think should be centered. The text on some of the pages
> looks unconstrained. Also the text has to much bold. It might be better
> with a different font that does not need to be bold.
> I do like the short and sweet feel of it.
Thanks! I agree that the bold looks a bit thick, but I was worried that some
monitors might not display the white-on-blue clearly. At the time I didn't
know how to create a transparent gif, and I'm not happy with the way the
logos look pasted-on. The front-page logo was a nightmare of pixel editing!
LOL, I've not looked at this one in a while... "Lineman Lance Seabrook" is
now the company owner; his Dad is semi-retired.
>>
>> www.salmonfishingbc.ca - Client and wife didn't always agree on what they
>> wanted me to do.
>>
> Then it is pretty good for having disagreeing clients. <g>
LOL! They eventually split up. I'm not pleased with the logo-- it was a
low-res gif that I used in a print ad for them, never expecting them to
adopt it as a logo. Note to self: learn how to use Illustrator.
>
>> www.penderharbour.com - Geek buddy talked me into letting him set up site
>> with php. It's next on my list for a major revision. To me, this is right
>> up there on the list of Buttugly Websites... everything's wrong, the
>> colour, the copywriting, the layout, the navigation. <cringe> Old
>> saying... if you want something done right, do it yourself!
> I totally agree. <g>
I'm relieved to hear this. Hahaha-- had you said anything nice about it, I'd
be really concerned about your sense of design.
>
> Let me guess, you live in Pender Harbour. right? <g>
Good guess!
>>
>
> Okay, I am going to let you look at all of my sites just for fun. <g>
> Look at them and tell me what you think.
> http://www.pilgrimsfaith.com - my sisters magazine.
You're only 15??? No way! I apologize for being so hard on your work, I
thought you were twice that. You, my man, are going to go places and do
great things with a start like this. Don't tell anyone your age though;
better to let them think you're older and have way more experience. <g> Oh
yeah, your sister's site. I like it. Normally I wouldn't recommend that font
(Georgia?) for body copy text, but it works well with the subject and the
colour scheme. You shouldn't have capitalized "Three" (you find it). On the
Current Issue page, however, you've used a font (Chiller or somthing like
that) which probably won't display properly on a lot of browsers. There's
less than ten reliable fonts, and a good idea to stick with them. Otherwise,
make a gif or jpg of the text you want in uncommon fonts. One last thing...
the Bible image is odd. Makes me wonder why it's there. Maybe it's a link? A
mouseover says "Bible02 copy," which doesn't do a thing for me. I suggest
that you find a better, smaller image, line it up under the nav bar and
maybe put in a scripture quote for the mouseover. The site doesn't mention a
particular religion, so someone like me has no clue which one it's about. Is
this deliberate or an oversight? Finally, I've always liked that NOF style
and never had the opportunity to apply it. It works very well here. Kudos to
Emily for being a publisher. Amazing family! I suppose next I'll be hearing
that Andrew's hobby is nuclear physics... Okay, on to the beekeepers...
> http://www.stanwood-camanobeekeepers.com - my local beekeeping club.
Excellent! Suggestions for improvements are minor. Nav Bar - make your boxes
a touch wider so text doesn't get squeezed. Either don't frame any of your
photos or frame them all with an identical border. I find most animated
features annoying, but I love the purple bees that light on the edge of the
page, subtle and nice.... but why are they purple? Each page should have the
same text font and size-- you've got something different happening all over
the place. I'm looking at Mentors... text runs away, off the right edge of
the background. Events - better in a list or a table; spacing is wonky. But,
I'm sure you see this stuff anyway. Again, you've made a perfect style
choice. The swarm photos are awesome! I've got some good macro shots of
honeybees on flowers (mostly lavender) if you'd like one.
> http://www.saveourbees.creationtidbits.com - my SAVE OUR BEES website.
Yes, you need to put some text there. Oh my, you have no goals!!! <g>
Looks like this is in the development stage, so you can try a couple of
things... get rid of the borders and different coloured text box
backgrounds. The topic is fairly serious, so you want to focus on the
content. Unless it's a title, don't centre it (block left is the easiest to
read). I like the way your Photo Gallery works, but all pics should be the
same size. Interesting topic; I'd not heard there was a problem.
> http://www.creationtidbits.com - looking for a rework, just not sure what.
> Creation Sciece, MY pet topic
Waaay too busy, waaay too many boxes all over the place. And, be consistent
with your text-- every page, same size, same font, always, always, always!
You've put together some excellent styles on other sites, looks like this
one needs one to give it some structure and form. You need a good navigation
system too; as is, one gets the impression that some of those boxes are ads
or links to other sites when in fact they're links to other pages in the
site they're on. Oh yeah, about the ozone. <g> Ya think maybe if something
could live without oxygen then maybe something else could live without an
ozone layer?
> http://www.webtest.creationtidbits.com - In the subdomain, just about
> done.
Looks very professional, very good, very well organized. I really can't find
anything here that I don't like, but I have to come up with some kind of
suggestion. Hmmm... okay, how bout a higher quality image/s for the banner?
> http://www.store.cedarglenbees.com - the store part of
Store part should like the rest of it.
> www.cedarglenbees.com, not finished yet.
Okay, I've already had a shot at this one.
> http://www.learnNOF.creationtidbits.com - My tutorial website on NOF
So here you're taking the position of a professional website developer,
qualified to advise/instruct others with the use of NOF. Quite a
responsibility. It looks good... but... BACK AWAY FROM THE BORDERS! You're
getting better with consistence of font and size, but have another look at
your site-- the objective is a seamless transition between pages. The frame
for tutorials is unnecessary; just list them.
>
Wow, that was quite an excursion-- with dinner and a phone call as
interruptions. Hope some of my suggestions/opinions help you out. Thanks for
sharing.
Waterspider
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"Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
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> The midway site - again should be centered. You have white fringe on your
> graphics. I know it takes some forethought while designing the graphic
> but it is possible to completely avoid that. Nice site.
Thanks, Richard, I know about the "fringe" and have become much more skilled
with PhotoShop since then. The next revision will be better.
And, thanks for going so easy on me <g>
I know there's lots of other things that could be improved.
Waterspider
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