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  1. #51
    Micah Klesick
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    Default Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider

    Waterspider wrote:
    > "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    > news:f0dvrv$bja3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Waterspider wrote:
    >>> (top posted)
    >>>
    >>> I like the existing, solid background. It's clean, sharp without being
    >>> cold and lets the most important elements have their deserved prominence,
    >>> i.e. nav bars and photos. Perhaps most importantly, it provides excellent
    >>> contrast to the black text, which a texture rarely accomplishes.
    >>>

    >> What do you think of the NavBar, I have it on top and side. It made the
    >> page too long if I did one bar on the side or top. Then what do you think
    >> of the rollover?

    >
    > Well.... since you asked..... <g>
    >
    > I like the rollover, but it would be nice if the bees had a transparent
    > background or one to match the button colour. Text maybe a little too close
    > to the edges. The top-and-side works fine; it's intuitive and clear. The
    > only suggestion I can make is to move Raffle and Photos to the top, swapping
    > with What You Can Do and Honeybee Facts to group the material by logical
    > progression.
    >
    > Your pages fit nicely on a screen, so I don't think you need the bottom text
    > navigation bar (dept. of redundancy dept.).
    >
    > Another comment, not related to navigation. Sans serif fonts, i.e.
    > Arial-Helvetica, are much easier to read than serif (Times Roman etc.) in
    > body text. The serif, used for titles, provides a nice contrast.
    >
    > Y'know, I'm finding it tough to pick out much to criticize... compared to
    > your first version, which wasn't that long ago, this is miles ahead.
    >
    > Rock on!
    >
    >

    About the transparent bee, I could not do that, if I did, it did not
    look like a bee anymore. I do not have a good enough photo program to
    do that.

    I fixed the text, it is now at 5px, not 2px.
    I changed the links order, I agree, a better look.

    I was thinking about the bottom nav bar. The main reason I keep it is
    because it signals the end of the page, something to end the page,
    rather than just gone. See what I mean? What do you think?

    Changed the text.

    GOOD! about time there is a really good website design of mine. LOL

    Any other thoughts are welcomed by anybody.
    Micah


  2. #52
    Waterspider
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    Default Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider


    "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    news:f0h9po$m5d3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Waterspider wrote:
    >> "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    >> news:f0dvrv$bja3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> Waterspider wrote:
    >>>> (top posted)
    >>>>
    >>>> I like the existing, solid background. It's clean, sharp without being
    >>>> cold and lets the most important elements have their deserved
    >>>> prominence, i.e. nav bars and photos. Perhaps most importantly, it
    >>>> provides excellent contrast to the black text, which a texture rarely
    >>>> accomplishes.
    >>>>
    >>> What do you think of the NavBar, I have it on top and side. It made the
    >>> page too long if I did one bar on the side or top. Then what do you
    >>> think of the rollover?

    >>
    >> Well.... since you asked..... <g>
    >>
    >> I like the rollover, but it would be nice if the bees had a transparent
    >> background or one to match the button colour. Text maybe a little too
    >> close to the edges. The top-and-side works fine; it's intuitive and
    >> clear. The only suggestion I can make is to move Raffle and Photos to the
    >> top, swapping with What You Can Do and Honeybee Facts to group the
    >> material by logical progression.
    >>
    >> Your pages fit nicely on a screen, so I don't think you need the bottom
    >> text navigation bar (dept. of redundancy dept.).
    >>
    >> Another comment, not related to navigation. Sans serif fonts, i.e.
    >> Arial-Helvetica, are much easier to read than serif (Times Roman etc.) in
    >> body text. The serif, used for titles, provides a nice contrast.
    >>
    >> Y'know, I'm finding it tough to pick out much to criticize... compared to
    >> your first version, which wasn't that long ago, this is miles ahead.
    >>
    >> Rock on!

    > About the transparent bee, I could not do that, if I did, it did not look
    > like a bee anymore. I do not have a good enough photo program to do that.
    >
    > I fixed the text, it is now at 5px, not 2px.
    > I changed the links order, I agree, a better look.
    >
    > I was thinking about the bottom nav bar. The main reason I keep it is
    > because it signals the end of the page, something to end the page, rather
    > than just gone. See what I mean? What do you think?
    >
    > Changed the text.
    >
    > GOOD! about time there is a really good website design of mine. LOL
    >
    > Any other thoughts are welcomed by anybody.
    > Micah
    >

    I didn't see the changes when I followed the old link... have you uploaded
    it yet?

    For the end of the page, how 'bout those flying bees that you had on another
    site, maybe landing on the bottom? Or a boring old horizontal rule? Or a
    copyright notice and a link to your web dev site? Whatever you use, be
    consistent and use it to end every page in the site.

    You mentioned changing text size from 2 px to 5 px... the text I saw was
    quite readable as far as size; it was the serif that I objected to. I read
    somewhere (maybe here?) that it's best to use points rather than pixels for
    font sizes.



  3. #53
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider

    Waterspider wrote:
    > "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    > news:f0h9po$m5d3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Waterspider wrote:
    >>> "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:f0dvrv$bja3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> Waterspider wrote:
    >>>>> (top posted)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I like the existing, solid background. It's clean, sharp without being
    >>>>> cold and lets the most important elements have their deserved
    >>>>> prominence, i.e. nav bars and photos. Perhaps most importantly, it
    >>>>> provides excellent contrast to the black text, which a texture rarely
    >>>>> accomplishes.
    >>>>>
    >>>> What do you think of the NavBar, I have it on top and side. It made the
    >>>> page too long if I did one bar on the side or top. Then what do you
    >>>> think of the rollover?
    >>> Well.... since you asked..... <g>
    >>>
    >>> I like the rollover, but it would be nice if the bees had a transparent
    >>> background or one to match the button colour. Text maybe a little too
    >>> close to the edges. The top-and-side works fine; it's intuitive and
    >>> clear. The only suggestion I can make is to move Raffle and Photos to the
    >>> top, swapping with What You Can Do and Honeybee Facts to group the
    >>> material by logical progression.
    >>>
    >>> Your pages fit nicely on a screen, so I don't think you need the bottom
    >>> text navigation bar (dept. of redundancy dept.).
    >>>
    >>> Another comment, not related to navigation. Sans serif fonts, i.e.
    >>> Arial-Helvetica, are much easier to read than serif (Times Roman etc.) in
    >>> body text. The serif, used for titles, provides a nice contrast.
    >>>
    >>> Y'know, I'm finding it tough to pick out much to criticize... compared to
    >>> your first version, which wasn't that long ago, this is miles ahead.
    >>>
    >>> Rock on!

    >> About the transparent bee, I could not do that, if I did, it did not look
    >> like a bee anymore. I do not have a good enough photo program to do that.
    >>
    >> I fixed the text, it is now at 5px, not 2px.
    >> I changed the links order, I agree, a better look.
    >>
    >> I was thinking about the bottom nav bar. The main reason I keep it is
    >> because it signals the end of the page, something to end the page, rather
    >> than just gone. See what I mean? What do you think?
    >>
    >> Changed the text.
    >>
    >> GOOD! about time there is a really good website design of mine. LOL
    >>
    >> Any other thoughts are welcomed by anybody.
    >> Micah
    >>

    > I didn't see the changes when I followed the old link... have you uploaded
    > it yet?
    >
    > For the end of the page, how 'bout those flying bees that you had on another
    > site, maybe landing on the bottom? Or a boring old horizontal rule? Or a
    > copyright notice and a link to your web dev site? Whatever you use, be
    > consistent and use it to end every page in the site.
    >
    > You mentioned changing text size from 2 px to 5 px... the text I saw was
    > quite readable as far as size; it was the serif that I objected to. I read
    > somewhere (maybe here?) that it's best to use points rather than pixels for
    > font sizes.
    >
    >

    I had sent the flying bee files - did you get them working ok?

  4. #54
    Micah Klesick
    Guest

    Default Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider

    Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    > Waterspider wrote:
    >> "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    >> news:f0h9po$m5d3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> Waterspider wrote:
    >>>> "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:f0dvrv$bja3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>>> Waterspider wrote:
    >>>>>> (top posted)
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I like the existing, solid background. It's clean, sharp without
    >>>>>> being cold and lets the most important elements have their
    >>>>>> deserved prominence, i.e. nav bars and photos. Perhaps most
    >>>>>> importantly, it provides excellent contrast to the black text,
    >>>>>> which a texture rarely accomplishes.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> What do you think of the NavBar, I have it on top and side. It
    >>>>> made the page too long if I did one bar on the side or top. Then
    >>>>> what do you think of the rollover?
    >>>> Well.... since you asked..... <g>
    >>>>
    >>>> I like the rollover, but it would be nice if the bees had a
    >>>> transparent background or one to match the button colour. Text
    >>>> maybe a little too close to the edges. The top-and-side works fine;
    >>>> it's intuitive and clear. The only suggestion I can make is to move
    >>>> Raffle and Photos to the top, swapping with What You Can Do and
    >>>> Honeybee Facts to group the material by logical progression.
    >>>>
    >>>> Your pages fit nicely on a screen, so I don't think you need the
    >>>> bottom text navigation bar (dept. of redundancy dept.).
    >>>>
    >>>> Another comment, not related to navigation. Sans serif fonts, i.e.
    >>>> Arial-Helvetica, are much easier to read than serif (Times Roman
    >>>> etc.) in body text. The serif, used for titles, provides a nice
    >>>> contrast.
    >>>>
    >>>> Y'know, I'm finding it tough to pick out much to criticize...
    >>>> compared to your first version, which wasn't that long ago, this is
    >>>> miles ahead.
    >>>>
    >>>> Rock on!
    >>> About the transparent bee, I could not do that, if I did, it did not
    >>> look like a bee anymore. I do not have a good enough photo program
    >>> to do that.
    >>>
    >>> I fixed the text, it is now at 5px, not 2px.
    >>> I changed the links order, I agree, a better look.
    >>>
    >>> I was thinking about the bottom nav bar. The main reason I keep it
    >>> is because it signals the end of the page, something to end the page,
    >>> rather than just gone. See what I mean? What do you think?
    >>>
    >>> Changed the text.
    >>>
    >>> GOOD! about time there is a really good website design of mine. LOL
    >>>
    >>> Any other thoughts are welcomed by anybody.
    >>> Micah
    >>>

    >> I didn't see the changes when I followed the old link... have you
    >> uploaded it yet?
    >>
    >> For the end of the page, how 'bout those flying bees that you had on
    >> another site, maybe landing on the bottom? Or a boring old horizontal
    >> rule? Or a copyright notice and a link to your web dev site? Whatever
    >> you use, be consistent and use it to end every page in the site.
    >>
    >> You mentioned changing text size from 2 px to 5 px... the text I saw
    >> was quite readable as far as size; it was the serif that I objected
    >> to. I read somewhere (maybe here?) that it's best to use points rather
    >> than pixels for font sizes.
    >>

    > I had sent the flying bee files - did you get them working ok?


    I have not had the time to do it yet.

  5. #55
    Micah Klesick
    Guest

    Default Re: *TARGET>>>> Waterspider

    Waterspider wrote:
    > "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    > news:f0h9po$m5d3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Waterspider wrote:
    >>> "Micah Klesick" <Micah@creationtidbits.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:f0dvrv$bja3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> Waterspider wrote:
    >>>>> (top posted)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I like the existing, solid background. It's clean, sharp without being
    >>>>> cold and lets the most important elements have their deserved
    >>>>> prominence, i.e. nav bars and photos. Perhaps most importantly, it
    >>>>> provides excellent contrast to the black text, which a texture rarely
    >>>>> accomplishes.
    >>>>>
    >>>> What do you think of the NavBar, I have it on top and side. It made the
    >>>> page too long if I did one bar on the side or top. Then what do you
    >>>> think of the rollover?
    >>> Well.... since you asked..... <g>
    >>>
    >>> I like the rollover, but it would be nice if the bees had a transparent
    >>> background or one to match the button colour. Text maybe a little too
    >>> close to the edges. The top-and-side works fine; it's intuitive and
    >>> clear. The only suggestion I can make is to move Raffle and Photos to the
    >>> top, swapping with What You Can Do and Honeybee Facts to group the
    >>> material by logical progression.
    >>>
    >>> Your pages fit nicely on a screen, so I don't think you need the bottom
    >>> text navigation bar (dept. of redundancy dept.).
    >>>
    >>> Another comment, not related to navigation. Sans serif fonts, i.e.
    >>> Arial-Helvetica, are much easier to read than serif (Times Roman etc.) in
    >>> body text. The serif, used for titles, provides a nice contrast.
    >>>
    >>> Y'know, I'm finding it tough to pick out much to criticize... compared to
    >>> your first version, which wasn't that long ago, this is miles ahead.
    >>>
    >>> Rock on!

    >> About the transparent bee, I could not do that, if I did, it did not look
    >> like a bee anymore. I do not have a good enough photo program to do that.
    >>
    >> I fixed the text, it is now at 5px, not 2px.
    >> I changed the links order, I agree, a better look.
    >>
    >> I was thinking about the bottom nav bar. The main reason I keep it is
    >> because it signals the end of the page, something to end the page, rather
    >> than just gone. See what I mean? What do you think?
    >>
    >> Changed the text.
    >>
    >> GOOD! about time there is a really good website design of mine. LOL
    >>
    >> Any other thoughts are welcomed by anybody.
    >> Micah
    >>

    > I didn't see the changes when I followed the old link... have you uploaded
    > it yet?
    >
    > For the end of the page, how 'bout those flying bees that you had on another
    > site, maybe landing on the bottom? Or a boring old horizontal rule? Or a
    > copyright notice and a link to your web dev site? Whatever you use, be
    > consistent and use it to end every page in the site.
    >
    > You mentioned changing text size from 2 px to 5 px... the text I saw was
    > quite readable as far as size; it was the serif that I objected to. I read
    > somewhere (maybe here?) that it's best to use points rather than pixels for
    > font sizes.
    >
    >


    I have uploaded them, and the changes are there... I meant that I
    moved the text 5px from the edge of the nav button.

    What about how the bees come in now? I will have to find some different
    pictures though, as I do not have permission for those.

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