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Richard Wayne Garganta
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Re: Page size
Nancy O wrote:
> Not necessarily, here is a crude example of what I mean:
> http://alt-web.com/Tutorials/variable_width.html
>
> This same approach could be used to offer users different stylesheets
> variable text size, fonts, colors, background images, etc... Lots of
> possibilities with CSS.
>
> --Nancy
>
>
>
>
> "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:f32a6g$ftd3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> Nancy O wrote:
>>> <Yes, but then your pages will not validate.>
>>>
>>> Rubbish
>>>
>>> --Nancy
>>>
>>> "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:f3232a$ftd1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>> Nancy O wrote:
>>>>> <Western Civilization website has a good tutorial and
>>>>> they design a site that looks good at both resolutions>
>>>>>
>>>>> For those who don't know Western Civilization makes Style Master CSS
>>> editor
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2rgvsq.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've said this in prior posts but I'll repeat myself. The best
>>> practical
>>>>> solution to this whole Page Size debate would be to create one site
> with
>>>>> multiple layout options (aka stylesheets for print, hand held devices,
>>>>> low/med/high res output). Problem is you can't do it in NOF's
>>> table-based
>>>>> world. But it's very easy to do with html & relative CSS styled divs.
>>>>>
>>>>> One CSS property variable for each external stylesheet is all it
> takes:
>>>>> body {width: Npx;} where N= screen size.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Nancy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, but then your pages will not validate.
>>>
>> My mistake - I thought you were mentioning the workaround I have seen
>> where a javascript equation [size sniffer] is put into the CSS selector.
>> Yes, your method will work but there is the complications of having to
>> screen sniff before one knows what to put into the selector. Any
>> suggestions on getting all resolution info and then selecting the CSS
>> page to use?
>
>
Very interesting. I would love to know if there is a way to detect
resolution before page loads and set size accordingly so it is
transparent and seamless.
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Re: Page size
Centering the site will make the site look fine in larger res, and good in
800-600. I try to center all my sites.
I will keep doing it until NOF makes it easy to do liquid sites. <g>
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"Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
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> Mike Coombes wrote:
>> Richard Wayne Garganta wrote
>>> For what is worth, the people using less than 1024 X 768 now is
>>> minuscule. They are using this or higher.
>>
>> I have to differ on this one. Depending on the site and it's potential
>> audience, the percentage using lower resolution is significant. Art and
>> architectural based sites tend to have users on hi-res monitors. Business
>> visitors often 1024 and below, and there's still a measurable percentage
>> using 800 x 600.
>>
>> I made the mistake a while back of producing a 900 wide site, and got
>> complaints. Until that small percentage of 800 x 600 users dies, we sadly
>> have to cater for them or use fluid layouts.
>
> Ah - the dilemma we are in! Try viewing fluid layouts on the newer higher
> resolutions and you will not like what you see. Text lines too long -
> graphics spread out too far, columns overextended. The reality is the
> safest method now is fixed widths to avoid this over expansion of width.
> People have already mentioned the numbers of 800 by 600 and it is not over
> 15% with the rest being 1024 by 768 or higher. Every one I know that has
> bought monitors the last 2 months has gotten resolutions higher than 1024
> by 768. The reality is a site designed for fixed 800 by 600 or totally
> liquid layout can look disastrous on the equal or greater number that have
> higher resolutions. I don't know how much tech stuff you read - but if
> you do the message is clear - program for fixed 1024 by 768. They won't
> over expand in higher resolutions and they don't look the size of business
> cards on higher resolutions either. If you are going fluid - be very
> careful what column you have expand. The text lines can be
> unsatisfactorily long on the newer monitors.
> Oh, that proper integration of the CSS max-width and max-height would only
> become a reality!!!
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Re: Page size
<Very interesting. I would love to know if there is a way to detect
resolution before page loads and set size accordingly so it is
transparent and seamless.>
Here's one
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum91/1105.htm
As yet there is no way to detect Viewport size which is too bad. A downside
to resolution sniffing is that it forces a particular screen width on users
who may not want it.
--Nancy
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Richard Wayne Garganta
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Re: Page size
Micah Klesick wrote:
> Centering the site will make the site look fine in larger res, and good in
> 800-600. I try to center all my sites.
> I will keep doing it until NOF makes it easy to do liquid sites. <g>
I would love to scream "center your sites" from the rooftops. This is
something that is a pet peeve with me - especially given that monitor
resolution is now all over the place.
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Richard Wayne Garganta
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Re: Page size
Nancy O wrote:
> <Very interesting. I would love to know if there is a way to detect
> resolution before page loads and set size accordingly so it is
> transparent and seamless.>
>
> Here's one
> http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum91/1105.htm
>
> As yet there is no way to detect Viewport size which is too bad. A downside
> to resolution sniffing is that it forces a particular screen width on users
> who may not want it.
>
> --Nancy
>
>
>
Excellent, thanks. I figured there had to be a way. Of course one must
take considerable care to make sure the content will fall into place
properly with both resolutions.
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Re: Page size
"Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
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> Not necessarily, here is a crude example of what I mean:
> http://alt-web.com/Tutorials/variable_width.html
>
> This same approach could be used to offer users different stylesheets
> variable text size, fonts, colors, background images, etc... Lots of
> possibilities with CSS.
>
> --Nancy
>
>
The only problem is under High Resolution (1280)
the stylesheet says #container {width:1540px;
I wondered why 1280 was overflowing my 1440 LCD
:-)
Graham
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Re: Page size
Ooops. Thanks, Graham. It's corrected now.
--Nancy
"Graham" <grahambn@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
> news:f32d4q$ftd4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> > Not necessarily, here is a crude example of what I mean:
> > http://alt-web.com/Tutorials/variable_width.html
> >
> > This same approach could be used to offer users different stylesheets
> > variable text size, fonts, colors, background images, etc... Lots of
> > possibilities with CSS.
> >
> > --Nancy
> >
> >
>
> The only problem is under High Resolution (1280)
> the stylesheet says #container {width:1540px;
>
> I wondered why 1280 was overflowing my 1440 LCD
> :-)
>
> Graham
>
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