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  1. #21
    Richard Wayne Garganta
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    Nancy O wrote:
    > Not necessarily, here is a crude example of what I mean:
    > http://alt-web.com/Tutorials/variable_width.html
    >
    > This same approach could be used to offer users different stylesheets
    > variable text size, fonts, colors, background images, etc... Lots of
    > possibilities with CSS.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:f32a6g$ftd3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Nancy O wrote:
    >>> <Yes, but then your pages will not validate.>
    >>>
    >>> Rubbish
    >>>
    >>> --Nancy
    >>>
    >>> "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:f3232a$ftd1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> Nancy O wrote:
    >>>>> <Western Civilization website has a good tutorial and
    >>>>> they design a site that looks good at both resolutions>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> For those who don't know Western Civilization makes Style Master CSS
    >>> editor
    >>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2rgvsq.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I've said this in prior posts but I'll repeat myself. The best
    >>> practical
    >>>>> solution to this whole Page Size debate would be to create one site

    > with
    >>>>> multiple layout options (aka stylesheets for print, hand held devices,
    >>>>> low/med/high res output). Problem is you can't do it in NOF's
    >>> table-based
    >>>>> world. But it's very easy to do with html & relative CSS styled divs.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> One CSS property variable for each external stylesheet is all it

    > takes:
    >>>>> body {width: Npx;} where N= screen size.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --Nancy
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>> Yes, but then your pages will not validate.
    >>>

    >> My mistake - I thought you were mentioning the workaround I have seen
    >> where a javascript equation [size sniffer] is put into the CSS selector.
    >> Yes, your method will work but there is the complications of having to
    >> screen sniff before one knows what to put into the selector. Any
    >> suggestions on getting all resolution info and then selecting the CSS
    >> page to use?

    >
    >

    Very interesting. I would love to know if there is a way to detect
    resolution before page loads and set size accordingly so it is
    transparent and seamless.

  2. #22
    Micah Klesick
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    Centering the site will make the site look fine in larger res, and good in
    800-600. I try to center all my sites.
    I will keep doing it until NOF makes it easy to do liquid sites. <g>
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    "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
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    > Mike Coombes wrote:
    >> Richard Wayne Garganta wrote
    >>> For what is worth, the people using less than 1024 X 768 now is
    >>> minuscule. They are using this or higher.

    >>
    >> I have to differ on this one. Depending on the site and it's potential
    >> audience, the percentage using lower resolution is significant. Art and
    >> architectural based sites tend to have users on hi-res monitors. Business
    >> visitors often 1024 and below, and there's still a measurable percentage
    >> using 800 x 600.
    >>
    >> I made the mistake a while back of producing a 900 wide site, and got
    >> complaints. Until that small percentage of 800 x 600 users dies, we sadly
    >> have to cater for them or use fluid layouts.

    >
    > Ah - the dilemma we are in! Try viewing fluid layouts on the newer higher
    > resolutions and you will not like what you see. Text lines too long -
    > graphics spread out too far, columns overextended. The reality is the
    > safest method now is fixed widths to avoid this over expansion of width.
    > People have already mentioned the numbers of 800 by 600 and it is not over
    > 15% with the rest being 1024 by 768 or higher. Every one I know that has
    > bought monitors the last 2 months has gotten resolutions higher than 1024
    > by 768. The reality is a site designed for fixed 800 by 600 or totally
    > liquid layout can look disastrous on the equal or greater number that have
    > higher resolutions. I don't know how much tech stuff you read - but if
    > you do the message is clear - program for fixed 1024 by 768. They won't
    > over expand in higher resolutions and they don't look the size of business
    > cards on higher resolutions either. If you are going fluid - be very
    > careful what column you have expand. The text lines can be
    > unsatisfactorily long on the newer monitors.
    > Oh, that proper integration of the CSS max-width and max-height would only
    > become a reality!!!




  3. #23
    Nancy O
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    <Very interesting. I would love to know if there is a way to detect
    resolution before page loads and set size accordingly so it is
    transparent and seamless.>

    Here's one
    http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum91/1105.htm

    As yet there is no way to detect Viewport size which is too bad. A downside
    to resolution sniffing is that it forces a particular screen width on users
    who may not want it.

    --Nancy




  4. #24
    Richard Wayne Garganta
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    Micah Klesick wrote:
    > Centering the site will make the site look fine in larger res, and good in
    > 800-600. I try to center all my sites.
    > I will keep doing it until NOF makes it easy to do liquid sites. <g>

    I would love to scream "center your sites" from the rooftops. This is
    something that is a pet peeve with me - especially given that monitor
    resolution is now all over the place.

  5. #25
    Richard Wayne Garganta
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    Nancy O wrote:
    > <Very interesting. I would love to know if there is a way to detect
    > resolution before page loads and set size accordingly so it is
    > transparent and seamless.>
    >
    > Here's one
    > http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum91/1105.htm
    >
    > As yet there is no way to detect Viewport size which is too bad. A downside
    > to resolution sniffing is that it forces a particular screen width on users
    > who may not want it.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    >
    >

    Excellent, thanks. I figured there had to be a way. Of course one must
    take considerable care to make sure the content will fall into place
    properly with both resolutions.

  6. #26
    Graham
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    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:f32d4q$ftd4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Not necessarily, here is a crude example of what I mean:
    > http://alt-web.com/Tutorials/variable_width.html
    >
    > This same approach could be used to offer users different stylesheets
    > variable text size, fonts, colors, background images, etc... Lots of
    > possibilities with CSS.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    >


    The only problem is under High Resolution (1280)
    the stylesheet says #container {width:1540px;

    I wondered why 1280 was overflowing my 1440 LCD
    :-)

    Graham


  7. #27
    Nancy O
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    Ooops. Thanks, Graham. It's corrected now.

    --Nancy

    "Graham" <grahambn@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:f396tj$aq21@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >
    > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > news:f32d4q$ftd4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > Not necessarily, here is a crude example of what I mean:
    > > http://alt-web.com/Tutorials/variable_width.html
    > >
    > > This same approach could be used to offer users different stylesheets
    > > variable text size, fonts, colors, background images, etc... Lots of
    > > possibilities with CSS.
    > >
    > > --Nancy
    > >
    > >

    >
    > The only problem is under High Resolution (1280)
    > the stylesheet says #container {width:1540px;
    >
    > I wondered why 1280 was overflowing my 1440 LCD
    > :-)
    >
    > Graham
    >




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