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  1. #11
    LBA
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    Default Re: Snippet Master

    Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    > Also, LBM could easily be edited to brand it so people don't have to
    > know another program is being used but I have not yet discussed how the
    > author would feel about this. It would certainly be another strong
    > point since snippetmaster has a fee per site for the branded version
    > where you are able to hide who wrote the software.


    The "author" being me would be more than happy to see you brand it.
    (Believe me... I did not put this together for profit... as is evidenced
    by the pricing.) I assumed people would brand it themselves but I guess
    I should have specifically mentioned that. My concept was that the CMS
    would be fully integrated into your client's website, using whatever
    masterboarder that you built for the site, with no branding of my own.
    It's supposed to look like you wrote it. And I don't really care how
    many sites you use it on.

    Laurence

  2. #12
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: Snippet Master

    LBA wrote:
    > Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >> Also, LBM could easily be edited to brand it so people don't have to
    >> know another program is being used but I have not yet discussed how
    >> the author would feel about this. It would certainly be another
    >> strong point since snippetmaster has a fee per site for the branded
    >> version where you are able to hide who wrote the software.

    >
    > The "author" being me would be more than happy to see you brand it.
    > (Believe me... I did not put this together for profit... as is evidenced
    > by the pricing.) I assumed people would brand it themselves but I guess
    > I should have specifically mentioned that. My concept was that the CMS
    > would be fully integrated into your client's website, using whatever
    > masterboarder that you built for the site, with no branding of my own.
    > It's supposed to look like you wrote it. And I don't really care how
    > many sites you use it on.
    >
    > Laurence


    Excellent! So the benefits for LBM are:
    1. The price is right
    2. It can be branded so it can integrate seamlessly so clients don't
    know you are using an outside program
    3. It can be used on unlimited sites - for $15 - there are no fee per
    site costs.
    4. It uses include files so you can edit away in NOF without having to
    check or contact your client to see if or what is changed.

    In my opinion - I vote for LBM staying available! I happen to have a
    very "edit fearful" client that overreacts to the slightest issue. The
    open source editor LBM uses can be a little tricky for a new user. Font
    changes don't always show up in the editor for instance. It certainly
    is manageable - but I am sure you know what I mean.
    The fact even the free version of snippetmaster has more than one area
    where it is clear the client is using an outside program is also a major
    factor a web designer should consider. One can't change this branding in
    snippetmaster without a fee.
    So yes, you have some competition - but you have many strong selling
    points for LBM.

  3. #13
    Mike Coombes
    Guest

    Default Re: Snippet Master

    Your system still stands up against the snippet one, L. If it could
    handle image uploading and handled images better (try getting text to
    wrap around an image without tinkering with the HTML) it would be
    unbeatable.

    LBA wrote:
    > Richard, I'm curious... does it store the edited text in a separate
    > external file? Or does it just re-write the NOF page with the added
    > text inserted directly into it?
    >
    > Laurence
    >
    >
    > Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >> I have to say, I checked out that snippet master program that someone
    >> suggested and I was blown away. Anyone that has the need to have
    >> clients edit portions of a web site - we now have an EXCELLENT
    >> solution to the problem. It blows away the others I have tried.


  4. #14
    LBA
    Guest

    Default Re: Snippet Master

    Richard,

    (It's called it LBA-CMS.) Yes, the editor offers a lot of editing
    features, but you can turn most of them off, and thus reduce the feature
    set to just cover the basics... font size and color and alignment and
    stuff like that.

    Laurence



    Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    > LBA wrote:
    >> Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >>> Also, LBM could easily be edited to brand it so people don't have to
    >>> know another program is being used but I have not yet discussed how
    >>> the author would feel about this. It would certainly be another
    >>> strong point since snippetmaster has a fee per site for the branded
    >>> version where you are able to hide who wrote the software.

    >>
    >> The "author" being me would be more than happy to see you brand it.
    >> (Believe me... I did not put this together for profit... as is
    >> evidenced by the pricing.) I assumed people would brand it themselves
    >> but I guess I should have specifically mentioned that. My concept was
    >> that the CMS would be fully integrated into your client's website,
    >> using whatever masterboarder that you built for the site, with no
    >> branding of my own. It's supposed to look like you wrote it. And I
    >> don't really care how many sites you use it on.
    >>
    >> Laurence

    >
    > Excellent! So the benefits for LBM are:
    > 1. The price is right
    > 2. It can be branded so it can integrate seamlessly so clients don't
    > know you are using an outside program
    > 3. It can be used on unlimited sites - for $15 - there are no fee per
    > site costs.
    > 4. It uses include files so you can edit away in NOF without having to
    > check or contact your client to see if or what is changed.
    >
    > In my opinion - I vote for LBM staying available! I happen to have a
    > very "edit fearful" client that overreacts to the slightest issue. The
    > open source editor LBM uses can be a little tricky for a new user. Font
    > changes don't always show up in the editor for instance. It certainly
    > is manageable - but I am sure you know what I mean.
    > The fact even the free version of snippetmaster has more than one area
    > where it is clear the client is using an outside program is also a major
    > factor a web designer should consider. One can't change this branding in
    > snippetmaster without a fee.
    > So yes, you have some competition - but you have many strong selling
    > points for LBM.


  5. #15
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: Snippet Master

    LBA wrote:
    > Richard,
    >
    > (It's called it LBA-CMS.) Yes, the editor offers a lot of editing
    > features, but you can turn most of them off, and thus reduce the feature
    > set to just cover the basics... font size and color and alignment and
    > stuff like that.
    >
    > Laurence
    >
    >
    >
    > Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >> LBA wrote:
    >>> Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >>>> Also, LBM could easily be edited to brand it so people don't have to
    >>>> know another program is being used but I have not yet discussed how
    >>>> the author would feel about this. It would certainly be another
    >>>> strong point since snippetmaster has a fee per site for the branded
    >>>> version where you are able to hide who wrote the software.
    >>>
    >>> The "author" being me would be more than happy to see you brand it.
    >>> (Believe me... I did not put this together for profit... as is
    >>> evidenced by the pricing.) I assumed people would brand it
    >>> themselves but I guess I should have specifically mentioned that. My
    >>> concept was that the CMS would be fully integrated into your client's
    >>> website, using whatever masterboarder that you built for the site,
    >>> with no branding of my own. It's supposed to look like you wrote it.
    >>> And I don't really care how many sites you use it on.
    >>>
    >>> Laurence

    >>
    >> Excellent! So the benefits for LBM are:
    >> 1. The price is right
    >> 2. It can be branded so it can integrate seamlessly so clients don't
    >> know you are using an outside program
    >> 3. It can be used on unlimited sites - for $15 - there are no fee per
    >> site costs.
    >> 4. It uses include files so you can edit away in NOF without having to
    >> check or contact your client to see if or what is changed.
    >>
    >> In my opinion - I vote for LBM staying available! I happen to have a
    >> very "edit fearful" client that overreacts to the slightest issue.
    >> The open source editor LBM uses can be a little tricky for a new user.
    >> Font changes don't always show up in the editor for instance. It
    >> certainly is manageable - but I am sure you know what I mean.
    >> The fact even the free version of snippetmaster has more than one area
    >> where it is clear the client is using an outside program is also a
    >> major factor a web designer should consider. One can't change this
    >> branding in snippetmaster without a fee.
    >> So yes, you have some competition - but you have many strong selling
    >> points for LBM.


    Oops - sorry on the name - I should know this - I bought your program!

  6. #16
    Shannell
    Guest

    Default Re: Snippet Master

    I have image uploading working with LBA's CMS....
    Look on the OWYSIWYG forums for the plugin, cost $15 I think.


    "Mike Coombes" <mike@ktf-design.com> wrote in message
    news:f2vid3$6713@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Your system still stands up against the snippet one, L. If it could handle
    > image uploading and handled images better (try getting text to wrap around
    > an image without tinkering with the HTML) it would be unbeatable.
    >
    > LBA wrote:
    >> Richard, I'm curious... does it store the edited text in a separate
    >> external file? Or does it just re-write the NOF page with the added text
    >> inserted directly into it?
    >>
    >> Laurence
    >>
    >>
    >> Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >>> I have to say, I checked out that snippet master program that someone
    >>> suggested and I was blown away. Anyone that has the need to have
    >>> clients edit portions of a web site - we now have an EXCELLENT solution
    >>> to the problem. It blows away the others I have tried.

    >




  7. #17
    the other Chuck
    Guest

    Default Re: Snippet Master (Include Solution)

    Rich,

    If your using Linux why can't you use a Server Side Include (SSI). (
    http://www.sitepoint.com/article/save-hours-ssis ) (Don't really know if
    this is an option on a Windows host).

    I would setup my page such that the editable area is called by a SSI for
    another HTML page. I believe you can call this SSI easy enough from a Text
    Box (Ctrl "T") and just call another clean HTML document. Setup your
    Snippet Master so that it doesn't edit your NOF page but instead put the
    SnippetMaster Tags in the Clean HTML page. This way you don't have to worry
    about your base NOF page and the Client only edits what gets called by the
    SSI. In some cases I believe you would have to change the Page Extension
    for your NOF page from HTML to SHTML. If your host supports SSI's than
    this it would be a very clean way of doing just what you want with
    SnippetMaster. I've tried the SSI method in the past and it seemed to work
    quite well.

    the Other Chuck






    "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:f2vekg$5nc6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > LBA wrote:
    >> Richard, I'm curious... does it store the edited text in a separate
    >> external file? Or does it just re-write the NOF page with the added text
    >> inserted directly into it?
    >>
    >> Laurence
    >>
    >>
    >> Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >>> I have to say, I checked out that snippet master program that someone
    >>> suggested and I was blown away. Anyone that has the need to have
    >>> clients edit portions of a web site - we now have an EXCELLENT solution
    >>> to the problem. It blows away the others I have tried.

    > This would be the one feature I do not like. It does not use an include
    > file and edits text that is between too comment brackets. So if one were
    > to change a page that a client has edited in NOF one would need to copy
    > and past the edited area into the NOF page that is being changed to avoid
    > losing the changes.
    > I have seen the LBM program and it is more complicated, uses an include
    > file so you don't have to worry about changes in NOF. But I do not like
    > the editor - it puts in several unnecessary <span> tags. The free snippet
    > master blows away the $15 LBM - BUT it uses an include file making editing
    > in NOF less of a concern.
    > Having seen both - my choice is snippet master hands down. I am emailing
    > them to consider using include files as a feature.
    >






  8. #18
    LBA
    Guest

    Default Re: Snippet Master (Include Solution)

    oC, that's an interesting idea. And it should work just fine. And if
    SSI is not an option, one could achieve the same thing with a PHP
    include or an ASP include... whatever the web host is happy with. For
    that matter, I've done CMS where the client uses the program they know
    best... Microsoft Word. They save the file from Word as HTML, and then
    they use an upload page where the click a button that uploads their file
    to the server. The web page contains the include statement... and
    voila. Instead of building them an upload page, you could take the easy
    route (for you, not the client) and show them how to upload using
    Internet Explorer. There's a million ways to skin a CMS.

    Laurence



    the other Chuck wrote:
    > Rich,
    >
    > If your using Linux why can't you use a Server Side Include (SSI). (
    > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/save-hours-ssis ) (Don't really know if
    > this is an option on a Windows host).
    >
    > I would setup my page such that the editable area is called by a SSI for
    > another HTML page. I believe you can call this SSI easy enough from a Text
    > Box (Ctrl "T") and just call another clean HTML document. Setup your
    > Snippet Master so that it doesn't edit your NOF page but instead put the
    > SnippetMaster Tags in the Clean HTML page. This way you don't have to worry
    > about your base NOF page and the Client only edits what gets called by the
    > SSI. In some cases I believe you would have to change the Page Extension
    > for your NOF page from HTML to SHTML. If your host supports SSI's than
    > this it would be a very clean way of doing just what you want with
    > SnippetMaster. I've tried the SSI method in the past and it seemed to work
    > quite well.
    >
    > the Other Chuck
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:f2vekg$5nc6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> LBA wrote:
    >>> Richard, I'm curious... does it store the edited text in a separate
    >>> external file? Or does it just re-write the NOF page with the added text
    >>> inserted directly into it?
    >>>
    >>> Laurence
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >>>> I have to say, I checked out that snippet master program that someone
    >>>> suggested and I was blown away. Anyone that has the need to have
    >>>> clients edit portions of a web site - we now have an EXCELLENT solution
    >>>> to the problem. It blows away the others I have tried.

    >> This would be the one feature I do not like. It does not use an include
    >> file and edits text that is between too comment brackets. So if one were
    >> to change a page that a client has edited in NOF one would need to copy
    >> and past the edited area into the NOF page that is being changed to avoid
    >> losing the changes.
    >> I have seen the LBM program and it is more complicated, uses an include
    >> file so you don't have to worry about changes in NOF. But I do not like
    >> the editor - it puts in several unnecessary <span> tags. The free snippet
    >> master blows away the $15 LBM - BUT it uses an include file making editing
    >> in NOF less of a concern.
    >> Having seen both - my choice is snippet master hands down. I am emailing
    >> them to consider using include files as a feature.
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    >


  9. #19
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: Snippet Master (Include Solution)

    the other Chuck wrote:
    > Rich,
    >
    > If your using Linux why can't you use a Server Side Include (SSI). (
    > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/save-hours-ssis ) (Don't really know if
    > this is an option on a Windows host).
    >
    > I would setup my page such that the editable area is called by a SSI for
    > another HTML page. I believe you can call this SSI easy enough from a Text
    > Box (Ctrl "T") and just call another clean HTML document. Setup your
    > Snippet Master so that it doesn't edit your NOF page but instead put the
    > SnippetMaster Tags in the Clean HTML page. This way you don't have to worry
    > about your base NOF page and the Client only edits what gets called by the
    > SSI. In some cases I believe you would have to change the Page Extension
    > for your NOF page from HTML to SHTML. If your host supports SSI's than
    > this it would be a very clean way of doing just what you want with
    > SnippetMaster. I've tried the SSI method in the past and it seemed to work
    > quite well.
    >
    > the Other Chuck
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:f2vekg$5nc6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> LBA wrote:
    >>> Richard, I'm curious... does it store the edited text in a separate
    >>> external file? Or does it just re-write the NOF page with the added text
    >>> inserted directly into it?
    >>>
    >>> Laurence
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >>>> I have to say, I checked out that snippet master program that someone
    >>>> suggested and I was blown away. Anyone that has the need to have
    >>>> clients edit portions of a web site - we now have an EXCELLENT solution
    >>>> to the problem. It blows away the others I have tried.

    >> This would be the one feature I do not like. It does not use an include
    >> file and edits text that is between too comment brackets. So if one were
    >> to change a page that a client has edited in NOF one would need to copy
    >> and past the edited area into the NOF page that is being changed to avoid
    >> losing the changes.
    >> I have seen the LBM program and it is more complicated, uses an include
    >> file so you don't have to worry about changes in NOF. But I do not like
    >> the editor - it puts in several unnecessary <span> tags. The free snippet
    >> master blows away the $15 LBM - BUT it uses an include file making editing
    >> in NOF less of a concern.
    >> Having seen both - my choice is snippet master hands down. I am emailing
    >> them to consider using include files as a feature.
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    >

    I knew that! hehe Now why didn't I think of that? Great idea. I
    imagine a php include would work also. I believed I had read somewhere
    that SSI's were insecure in some way. But thanks for the heads up -
    sounds like this is a great idea.

  10. #20
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: Snippet Master (Include Solution)

    Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    > the other Chuck wrote:
    >> Rich,
    >>
    >> If your using Linux why can't you use a Server Side Include (SSI).
    >> ( http://www.sitepoint.com/article/save-hours-ssis ) (Don't really
    >> know if this is an option on a Windows host).
    >>
    >> I would setup my page such that the editable area is called by a SSI
    >> for another HTML page. I believe you can call this SSI easy enough
    >> from a Text Box (Ctrl "T") and just call another clean HTML
    >> document. Setup your Snippet Master so that it doesn't edit your NOF
    >> page but instead put the SnippetMaster Tags in the Clean HTML page.
    >> This way you don't have to worry about your base NOF page and the
    >> Client only edits what gets called by the SSI. In some cases I
    >> believe you would have to change the Page Extension for your NOF page
    >> from HTML to SHTML. If your host supports SSI's than this it would
    >> be a very clean way of doing just what you want with SnippetMaster.
    >> I've tried the SSI method in the past and it seemed to work quite well.
    >>
    >> the Other Chuck
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    >> news:f2vekg$5nc6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> LBA wrote:
    >>>> Richard, I'm curious... does it store the edited text in a separate
    >>>> external file? Or does it just re-write the NOF page with the added
    >>>> text inserted directly into it?
    >>>>
    >>>> Laurence
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Richard Wayne Garganta wrote:
    >>>>> I have to say, I checked out that snippet master program that
    >>>>> someone suggested and I was blown away. Anyone that has the need
    >>>>> to have clients edit portions of a web site - we now have an
    >>>>> EXCELLENT solution to the problem. It blows away the others I have
    >>>>> tried.
    >>> This would be the one feature I do not like. It does not use an
    >>> include file and edits text that is between too comment brackets. So
    >>> if one were to change a page that a client has edited in NOF one
    >>> would need to copy and past the edited area into the NOF page that is
    >>> being changed to avoid losing the changes.
    >>> I have seen the LBM program and it is more complicated, uses an
    >>> include file so you don't have to worry about changes in NOF. But I
    >>> do not like the editor - it puts in several unnecessary <span> tags.
    >>> The free snippet master blows away the $15 LBM - BUT it uses an
    >>> include file making editing in NOF less of a concern.
    >>> Having seen both - my choice is snippet master hands down. I am
    >>> emailing them to consider using include files as a feature.
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > I knew that! hehe Now why didn't I think of that? Great idea. I
    > imagine a php include would work also. I believed I had read somewhere
    > that SSI's were insecure in some way. But thanks for the heads up -
    > sounds like this is a great idea.


    Chuck, I tried it last night and it works like a charm. Thanks.

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