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  1. #1
    Gary Short
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    Default Page size

    What should the default page size be set to? I use Dynamic & some how I've
    messed up the settings & not sure what to re-set the new page size at...

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    Gary Short
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  2. #2
    Ian
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    Default Re: Page size

    I still set mine to a tad under 800 wide. Most people seem to be moving
    towards larger/higher resolution now but I think it still pays to err on the
    side of caution.

    Just my 2p.

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    "Gary Short" <gary@coolweb-fx.com> wrote in message
    news:f2s3sk$m7o5@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > What should the default page size be set to? I use Dynamic & some how I've
    > messed up the settings & not sure what to re-set the new page size at...
    >
    > --
    > Gary Short
    > coolweb-fx.com
    > web-designer | database apps | video presentations
    >
    >




  3. #3
    Richard Wayne Garganta
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    Default Re: Page size

    Ian wrote:
    > I still set mine to a tad under 800 wide. Most people seem to be moving
    > towards larger/higher resolution now but I think it still pays to err on the
    > side of caution.
    >
    > Just my 2p.
    >
    > --
    > Ian
    > 1AHost
    >
    > Free Web Hosting
    > PHP & MySQL Hosting
    > Multiple Domain Hosting
    > www.1ahost.co.uk
    >
    >
    > "Gary Short" <gary@coolweb-fx.com> wrote in message
    > news:f2s3sk$m7o5@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> What should the default page size be set to? I use Dynamic & some how I've
    >> messed up the settings & not sure what to re-set the new page size at...
    >>
    >> --
    >> Gary Short
    >> coolweb-fx.com
    >> web-designer | database apps | video presentations
    >>
    >>

    >
    >

    For what is worth, the people using less than 1024 X 768 now is
    minuscule. They are using this or higher.

  4. #4
    Nancy O
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    Screen resolution doesn't tell the whole story. Viewport is the size that
    you should be concerned with. Sadly, most stat reports don't detect
    viewport without help. So I'll save you some time and tell you that
    according to recent data, most people with displays of 1024 +++ typically
    keep their browser viewport sized to less than maximum. Of course, this size
    can vary widely. So short of building liquid layouts that scale to every
    possible viewport size, the next best solution is to build pages that fit
    nicely on an 800 px wide viewport, without <scrolling>. Ian's advice is
    good. I use 780 to allow for browser padding...

    --Nancy

    "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:f2ss8q$pip3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Ian wrote:
    > > I still set mine to a tad under 800 wide. Most people seem to be moving
    > > towards larger/higher resolution now but I think it still pays to err on

    the
    > > side of caution.
    > >
    > > Just my 2p.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Ian
    > > 1AHost
    > >
    > > Free Web Hosting
    > > PHP & MySQL Hosting
    > > Multiple Domain Hosting
    > > www.1ahost.co.uk
    > >
    > >
    > > "Gary Short" <gary@coolweb-fx.com> wrote in message
    > > news:f2s3sk$m7o5@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> What should the default page size be set to? I use Dynamic & some how

    I've
    > >> messed up the settings & not sure what to re-set the new page size

    at...
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Gary Short
    > >> coolweb-fx.com
    > >> web-designer | database apps | video presentations
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > >

    > For what is worth, the people using less than 1024 X 768 now is
    > minuscule. They are using this or higher.




  5. #5
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: Page size

    Nancy O wrote:
    > Screen resolution doesn't tell the whole story. Viewport is the size that
    > you should be concerned with. Sadly, most stat reports don't detect
    > viewport without help. So I'll save you some time and tell you that
    > according to recent data, most people with displays of 1024 +++ typically
    > keep their browser viewport sized to less than maximum. Of course, this size
    > can vary widely. So short of building liquid layouts that scale to every
    > possible viewport size, the next best solution is to build pages that fit
    > nicely on an 800 px wide viewport, without <scrolling>. Ian's advice is
    > good. I use 780 to allow for browser padding...
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    > "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:f2ss8q$pip3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Ian wrote:
    >>> I still set mine to a tad under 800 wide. Most people seem to be moving
    >>> towards larger/higher resolution now but I think it still pays to err on

    > the
    >>> side of caution.
    >>>
    >>> Just my 2p.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Ian
    >>> 1AHost
    >>>
    >>> Free Web Hosting
    >>> PHP & MySQL Hosting
    >>> Multiple Domain Hosting
    >>> www.1ahost.co.uk
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Gary Short" <gary@coolweb-fx.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:f2s3sk$m7o5@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> What should the default page size be set to? I use Dynamic & some how

    > I've
    >>>> messed up the settings & not sure what to re-set the new page size

    > at...
    >>>> --
    >>>> Gary Short
    >>>> coolweb-fx.com
    >>>> web-designer | database apps | video presentations
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >> For what is worth, the people using less than 1024 X 768 now is
    >> minuscule. They are using this or higher.

    >
    >

    Good point but every stat I see says 1024 by 768 is king now. Agreed,
    most open browsers in all different sizes and close them after
    downsizing them making it uncertain what size it will open in. But
    having watched users over years when they focus on a site, they usually
    ALWAYS hit the maximize button automatically. For that reason I say,
    why have a billboard with 400 or so pixels lost to nothing but empty
    space or background?
    I can't remember what technical article I read that said the resolutions
    are going to get even higher, shrinking content even more requiring the
    800 by 600's be redone anyway. He stated we should be programming now
    for 1024.
    I find it most curious in business that one would never consider a print
    or media ad, business card, stationary or billboard that does not take
    up the maximum of the space you paid for. Some how in websites - people
    want to consider other peoples ads might want to be viewed at the same time.
    My philosophy is - if they want to view my ad - I will take up the whole
    screen or at least as much as I can take up given the realities of the
    media.

  6. #6
    Allison Moore
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    Default Re: Page size

    > having watched users over years when they focus on a site, they usually
    > ALWAYS hit the maximize button automatically.


    I know many users who don't. I'm one of them.

    Allison



  7. #7
    Richard Wayne Garganta
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    Allison Moore wrote:
    >> having watched users over years when they focus on a site, they
    >> usually ALWAYS hit the maximize button automatically.

    >
    > I know many users who don't. I'm one of them.
    >
    > Allison
    >
    >

    But certainly you must know that is an exception to the general rule.
    Either way, if they didn't maximize then one wouldn't really know what
    size to make the window since there is any number of possible
    combinations. So there certainly wouldn't be anything magic about 800 x
    600. I have seen sites on higher resolution screens that are set at 800
    x 600. You need to take a good look at them. In higher resolutions,
    which is becoming increasingly common, they look ridiculous.

  8. #8
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Page size

    With larger, ultra large and even side-by-side displays, people are
    beginning to work differently than they have in the past. My web building
    colleagues and I keep several apps open on the desktop at once. So while
    displays are getting bigger, available real estate isn't necessarily
    expanding.

    I prefer it when web pages DO NOT force me to maximize my screen to see all
    the content. 800-900 pixels of allocated desktop should be plenty for most
    web pages. Incidentally, my Google analytics stats show 14% still using 800
    screen res. So my suggestion is to look at your own stats and build pages
    accordingly.

    --Nancy


    "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    news:f2tq65$slf1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Allison Moore wrote:
    > >> having watched users over years when they focus on a site, they
    > >> usually ALWAYS hit the maximize button automatically.

    > >
    > > I know many users who don't. I'm one of them.
    > >
    > > Allison
    > >
    > >

    > But certainly you must know that is an exception to the general rule.
    > Either way, if they didn't maximize then one wouldn't really know what
    > size to make the window since there is any number of possible
    > combinations. So there certainly wouldn't be anything magic about 800 x
    > 600. I have seen sites on higher resolution screens that are set at 800
    > x 600. You need to take a good look at them. In higher resolutions,
    > which is becoming increasingly common, they look ridiculous.




  9. #9
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: Page size

    Nancy O wrote:
    > With larger, ultra large and even side-by-side displays, people are
    > beginning to work differently than they have in the past. My web building
    > colleagues and I keep several apps open on the desktop at once. So while
    > displays are getting bigger, available real estate isn't necessarily
    > expanding.
    >
    > I prefer it when web pages DO NOT force me to maximize my screen to see all
    > the content. 800-900 pixels of allocated desktop should be plenty for most
    > web pages. Incidentally, my Google analytics stats show 14% still using 800
    > screen res. So my suggestion is to look at your own stats and build pages
    > accordingly.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    >
    > "Richard Wayne Garganta" <richinri@cox.net> wrote in message
    > news:f2tq65$slf1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Allison Moore wrote:
    >>>> having watched users over years when they focus on a site, they
    >>>> usually ALWAYS hit the maximize button automatically.
    >>> I know many users who don't. I'm one of them.
    >>>
    >>> Allison
    >>>
    >>>

    >> But certainly you must know that is an exception to the general rule.
    >> Either way, if they didn't maximize then one wouldn't really know what
    >> size to make the window since there is any number of possible
    >> combinations. So there certainly wouldn't be anything magic about 800 x
    >> 600. I have seen sites on higher resolution screens that are set at 800
    >> x 600. You need to take a good look at them. In higher resolutions,
    >> which is becoming increasingly common, they look ridiculous.

    >
    >


    My stats show 9% using 800 x 600 and 14% using resolutions higher than
    1024 by 768 with the overwhelming majority using 1024x768.
    My comments and coding practice is based on this reality. Clearly you
    haven't seen 800 by 600 on newer wide high resolution monitors - the
    sites look like a business card.

  10. #10
    Mike Coombes
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    Richard Wayne Garganta wrote
    > For what is worth, the people using less than 1024 X 768 now is
    > minuscule. They are using this or higher.


    I have to differ on this one. Depending on the site and it's potential
    audience, the percentage using lower resolution is significant. Art and
    architectural based sites tend to have users on hi-res monitors.
    Business visitors often 1024 and below, and there's still a measurable
    percentage using 800 x 600.

    I made the mistake a while back of producing a 900 wide site, and got
    complaints. Until that small percentage of 800 x 600 users dies, we
    sadly have to cater for them or use fluid layouts.

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