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  1. #1
    DL
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    Default Text in graphic vs banner

    Further to my problem with fonts not "sticking" in my banner, I've
    resorted to using my banner graphic and using text in graphic for all of
    my pages. This will be for a CD Rom training tool, so not a lot of pages
    and there will be no new pages down the track.

    But in that process I notice that the result is much superior using text
    in graphic once you click the anti-alias button for your text in graphic.

    For the developers: If good anti-aliasing can be applied to text in
    graphic, why does the banner have to suffer from the jaggies?

  2. #2
    Anton Strauss
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    Default Re: Text in graphic vs banner

    the banner and button text is controlled by your desktop antialias setting,
    be sure to turn on font smoothing by right clicking desktop....

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    Anton Strauss
    www.videoproductions.com.au



    "DL" <Dallas.Lewis@uts.edu.au> wrote in message
    news:f3fp0i$4cd3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Further to my problem with fonts not "sticking" in my banner, I've
    > resorted to using my banner graphic and using text in graphic for all of
    > my pages. This will be for a CD Rom training tool, so not a lot of pages
    > and there will be no new pages down the track.
    >
    > But in that process I notice that the result is much superior using text
    > in graphic once you click the anti-alias button for your text in graphic.
    >
    > For the developers: If good anti-aliasing can be applied to text in
    > graphic, why does the banner have to suffer from the jaggies?




  3. #3
    DL
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    Default Re: Text in graphic vs banner

    Anton Strauss wrote:
    > the banner and button text is controlled by your desktop antialias setting,
    > be sure to turn on font smoothing by right clicking desktop....
    >


    Hi Anton,

    This is Dallas. I've been in a job where I've not done any of this stuff
    for a while, but have to do a CD ROM thingy, so back into it a bit.

    Yeah, I've done all that. I've even run the Microsoft Powertoys tweak to
    fine tune my system anti-aliasing. But the anti-aliasing is still more
    effective on text in graphic when you select "Anti-alias text" on the
    Picture Properties palette. I've attached two graphics - one using the
    banner from my Style, the other using the same graphic but with text in
    graphic inserted. They are both saved from a local publish. The font
    settings were exactly the same for each.

    So if NOF has a better anti-aliasing mechanism available for text in
    graphic than my system anti-aliasing, why isn't it also available for my
    Style banner?

    The lesson here is that the way it is now, if you want the best text
    result, don't use the Style banner. Use a graphic with text in graphic.
    More mucking around and not using one of NOF's handiest features, but a
    better visual result.







  4. #4
    Anton Strauss
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    Default Re: Text in graphic vs banner

    Hi Dallas

    what is the font you used? Verdana? once I know, I will try on my system

    normally I use Arial for bold large text and that looks okay providing I
    don't use pure white or pure black

    255,255,254 looks better than 255,255,255

    and 000,000,001 looks better than 000,000,000

    --


    Anton Strauss
    www.videoproductions.com.au



    "DL" <Dallas.Lewis@uts.edu.au> wrote in message
    news:f3g333$5rh2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Anton Strauss wrote:
    > > the banner and button text is controlled by your desktop antialias

    setting,
    > > be sure to turn on font smoothing by right clicking desktop....
    > >

    >
    > Hi Anton,
    >
    > This is Dallas. I've been in a job where I've not done any of this stuff
    > for a while, but have to do a CD ROM thingy, so back into it a bit.
    >
    > Yeah, I've done all that. I've even run the Microsoft Powertoys tweak to
    > fine tune my system anti-aliasing. But the anti-aliasing is still more
    > effective on text in graphic when you select "Anti-alias text" on the
    > Picture Properties palette. I've attached two graphics - one using the
    > banner from my Style, the other using the same graphic but with text in
    > graphic inserted. They are both saved from a local publish. The font
    > settings were exactly the same for each.
    >
    > So if NOF has a better anti-aliasing mechanism available for text in
    > graphic than my system anti-aliasing, why isn't it also available for my
    > Style banner?
    >
    > The lesson here is that the way it is now, if you want the best text
    > result, don't use the Style banner. Use a graphic with text in graphic.
    > More mucking around and not using one of NOF's handiest features, but a
    > better visual result.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >



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  5. #5
    Anton Strauss
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    Default Re: Text in graphic vs banner

    also, are you using standard or clear type font smoothing?

    I use standard

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    Anton Strauss
    www.videoproductions.com.au



  6. #6
    DL
    Guest

    Default Re: Text in graphic vs banner

    Anton Strauss wrote:
    > also, are you using standard or clear type font smoothing?
    >
    > I use standard
    >


    Anton,

    I'm using ClearType, but standard doesn't make it better. I'm actually
    trying to use Frutiger, but it just won't "stick" in my style. Hence my
    experimenting with text in graphic as a workaround. I've logged a case
    with NOF on that one - seems to be a bug.

    I've tried various settings with font smoothing, but you still get the
    best result with text in graphic using, presumambly, a built in
    algorithm that NOF uses for text in graphic, but not for banners.

    The two graphics I attached were just Arial 26pt normal weight.


  7. #7
    DL
    Guest

    Default Re: Text in graphic vs banner

    Anton Strauss wrote:
    > also, are you using standard or clear type font smoothing?
    >
    > I use standard
    >

    Whoops, wasn't in Reply mode.

    This message is also in as a New message. Sorry.

    There's a little freeware tool called ClearTweak that is more flexible
    than the Windows Powertoys tool. I've tried various setting using it,
    all to no avail. the banner text is jaggy no matter what setting I use,
    whereas text in graphic is beautiful.

  8. #8
    DL
    Guest

    Default Re: Text in graphic vs banner

    Anton Strauss wrote:
    > also, are you using standard or clear type font smoothing?
    >
    > I use standard
    >


    The other interesting thing is that when you click the anti-aliasing
    selector for text in graphic, the kerning changes (to be much better!),
    so there's some tricky stuff going on behind the scenes there. Such a
    pity that the anti-aliasing selector isn't on the Style tab too.

  9. #9
    Karl Strieby
    Guest

    Default Re: Text in graphic vs banner

    DL wrote:
    > Anton Strauss wrote:
    >> also, are you using standard or clear type font smoothing?
    >>
    >> I use standard
    >>

    >
    > Anton,
    >
    > I'm using ClearType, but standard doesn't make it better. I'm actually
    > trying to use Frutiger, but it just won't "stick" in my style. Hence my
    > experimenting with text in graphic as a workaround. I've logged a case
    > with NOF on that one - seems to be a bug.
    >
    > I've tried various settings with font smoothing, but you still get the
    > best result with text in graphic using, presumambly, a built in
    > algorithm that NOF uses for text in graphic, but not for banners.
    >
    > The two graphics I attached were just Arial 26pt normal weight.
    >


    Hi DL,

    I did a quick Google search for Frutiger font issues, and if you are
    using the free vs. paid version of the font, that could well be causing
    your problem (the free version does not anti-alias well).

    --
    Cheers,
    Karl

    http://www.k-c-p.com/

  10. #10
    DL
    Guest

    Default Re: Text in graphic vs banner

    Karl Strieby wrote:
    > DL wrote:
    >> Anton Strauss wrote:
    >>> also, are you using standard or clear type font smoothing?
    >>>
    >>> I use standard
    >>>

    >>
    >> Anton,
    >>
    >> I'm using ClearType, but standard doesn't make it better. I'm actually
    >> trying to use Frutiger, but it just won't "stick" in my style. Hence
    >> my experimenting with text in graphic as a workaround. I've logged a
    >> case with NOF on that one - seems to be a bug.
    >>
    >> I've tried various settings with font smoothing, but you still get the
    >> best result with text in graphic using, presumambly, a built in
    >> algorithm that NOF uses for text in graphic, but not for banners.
    >>
    >> The two graphics I attached were just Arial 26pt normal weight.
    >>

    >
    > Hi DL,
    >
    > I did a quick Google search for Frutiger font issues, and if you are
    > using the free vs. paid version of the font, that could well be causing
    > your problem (the free version does not anti-alias well).
    >


    Hi Karl,

    I've tried both a legit Adobe postscript one, then bought a Linotype
    TrueType one. Both work fine except in NOF where they just won't stay in
    my Style. And it's not just that font. If I use Arial or Times New
    Roman, I can change the banner font, and some others, but lots just
    refuse to "stick". When I save or publish, it reverts to browser
    proportional.

    I really think there's a bug here. I've tried everything I can.

    D

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