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  1. #11
    LBA
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    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you haven't run
    into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out how to identify
    common patterns of form tags, such as Name and Email and Comments and
    Submit, and are now able to submit form data. That explains why
    preventative measures like "captcha" are showing up more and more... and
    why "captcha" images are getting even more obscure looking, as the bots
    even try to figure out how to read that. Damn spammers.

    Laurence


    Anton Strauss wrote:
    > if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since the email
    > address is not visible in the form html page and is only in the script which
    > is not visible to the spammer
    >


  2. #12
    Anton Strauss
    Guest

    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    don't worry, the day of reckoning will come for spammers

    --


    Anton Strauss
    www.videoproductions.com.au



    "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
    news:f3rr30$ib41@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you haven't run
    > into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out how to identify
    > common patterns of form tags, such as Name and Email and Comments and
    > Submit, and are now able to submit form data. That explains why
    > preventative measures like "captcha" are showing up more and more... and
    > why "captcha" images are getting even more obscure looking, as the bots
    > even try to figure out how to read that. Damn spammers.
    >
    > Laurence
    >
    >
    > Anton Strauss wrote:
    > > if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since the

    email
    > > address is not visible in the form html page and is only in the script

    which
    > > is not visible to the spammer
    > >




  3. #13
    Guest

    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    ..
    Another thing I do is that I use unconventional form names which are not easily identified.

    If you use easy form name titles such as email, name, url, etc... expect to get whacked by the bots. Try keeping the Fusion defaults of FormsEditField1, FormsComboBox1, SmackMe (instead of submit), etc....

    It does not matter WHAT you call the fields as long as you remember what they are and can associate them with plain text labels when you process the form to email and sent the results

    Mike


    LBA said:

    | Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you
    | haven't run into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out
    | how to identify common patterns of form tags, such as Name and
    | Email and Comments and Submit, and are now able to submit form
    | data. That explains why preventative measures like "captcha" are
    | showing up more and more... and why "captcha" images are getting
    | even more obscure looking, as the bots even try to figure out how
    | to read that. Damn spammers.
    |
    | Laurence
    |
    |
    | Anton Strauss wrote:
    || if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since
    || the email address is not visible in the form html page and is only
    || in the script which is not visible to the spammer



  4. #14
    LBA
    Guest

    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    Yuh, that's a good point... but I suppose it would only work if you
    write your own script.... and that way, your script replaces the
    non-standard labels with something that makes sense when the client
    receives the email. Using formmailer, that couldn't be done. Maybe
    I'll suggest that to Dave (formmailer author.) Maybe it wold work to
    use modified labels like "CustomerName" or something like that.

    Laurence


    gotFusion.com wrote:
    > .
    > Another thing I do is that I use unconventional form names which are not easily identified.
    >
    > If you use easy form name titles such as email, name, url, etc... expect to get whacked by the bots. Try keeping the Fusion defaults of FormsEditField1, FormsComboBox1, SmackMe (instead of submit), etc....
    >
    > It does not matter WHAT you call the fields as long as you remember what they are and can associate them with plain text labels when you process the form to email and sent the results
    >
    > Mike
    >
    >
    > LBA said:
    >
    > | Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you
    > | haven't run into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out
    > | how to identify common patterns of form tags, such as Name and
    > | Email and Comments and Submit, and are now able to submit form
    > | data. That explains why preventative measures like "captcha" are
    > | showing up more and more... and why "captcha" images are getting
    > | even more obscure looking, as the bots even try to figure out how
    > | to read that. Damn spammers.
    > |
    > | Laurence
    > |
    > |
    > | Anton Strauss wrote:
    > || if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since
    > || the email address is not visible in the form html page and is only
    > || in the script which is not visible to the spammer
    >
    >


  5. #15
    Nejc
    Guest

    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    Yeah, tha Last Judgement?

    I certainly hope they burn in hell ( I myself designed a nice variation, ask
    my wife...

    I dont thing the items mentioned do much good anyway. To use forms is the
    only way.

    But then, before you realize this and you've had your e-mail address on your
    webpage for a fourthnight or so...

    I'm recieving cca 100 spams a day. And some of my friends keep telling me
    I'm a lucky bastard.

    Indeed, give me a kalashnikov and just tell me who they are!




    "Anton Strauss" <anton@will-not-reply.com> wrote in message
    news:f3rrft$h301@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > don't worry, the day of reckoning will come for spammers
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > Anton Strauss
    > www.videoproductions.com.au
    >
    >
    >
    > "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
    > news:f3rr30$ib41@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Anton, it's "form spam" that I'm talking about. Perhaps you haven't run
    >> into it yet but the "bots" have apparently figured out how to identify
    >> common patterns of form tags, such as Name and Email and Comments and
    >> Submit, and are now able to submit form data. That explains why
    >> preventative measures like "captcha" are showing up more and more... and
    >> why "captcha" images are getting even more obscure looking, as the bots
    >> even try to figure out how to read that. Damn spammers.
    >>
    >> Laurence
    >>
    >>
    >> Anton Strauss wrote:
    >> > if you are using formmailer.php then I doubt you get spammed since the

    > email
    >> > address is not visible in the form html page and is only in the script

    > which
    >> > is not visible to the spammer
    >> >

    >
    >




  6. #16
    Karl Strieby
    Guest

    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    LBA wrote:
    > Karl Strieby wrote:
    >> I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
    >> display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I also
    >> enclose in the form`s CFMail output).

    >
    > Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem. Could
    > you explain your solution a little further? I've played with Captcha
    > but I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better way. Damn
    > spammers.
    >
    > Laurence


    Hi Laurence,

    I see you have already received some suggestions more advanced than what
    I am using, but you're welcome to look at my new improved contact
    form...http://www.k-c-p.com/html/NewContact.cfm

    --
    Cheers,
    Karl

    http://www.k-c-p.com/

  7. #17
    Mike C
    Guest

    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    I use the coffeecup form builder, it uses xml and when I place it in front
    of my guest books I never get spammed.

    Mike C

    "Karl Strieby" <karlDOTstrieby@kDASHcDASHp.com> wrote in message
    news:f3vvqf$1jk6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > LBA wrote:
    >> Karl Strieby wrote:
    >>> I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
    >>> display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I also
    >>> enclose in the form`s CFMail output).

    >>
    >> Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem. Could you
    >> explain your solution a little further? I've played with Captcha but
    >> I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better way. Damn
    >> spammers.
    >>
    >> Laurence

    >
    > Hi Laurence,
    >
    > I see you have already received some suggestions more advanced than what I
    > am using, but you're welcome to look at my new improved contact
    > form...http://www.k-c-p.com/html/NewContact.cfm
    >
    > --
    > Cheers,
    > Karl
    >
    > http://www.k-c-p.com/




  8. #18
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    Mike C wrote:
    > I use the coffeecup form builder, it uses xml and when I place it in front
    > of my guest books I never get spammed.
    >
    > Mike C
    >
    > "Karl Strieby" <karlDOTstrieby@kDASHcDASHp.com> wrote in message
    > news:f3vvqf$1jk6@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> LBA wrote:
    >>> Karl Strieby wrote:
    >>>> I redesigned the form to allow very limited free-form text input,
    >>>> display a warning and the would-be-sender's IP address (which I also
    >>>> enclose in the form`s CFMail output).
    >>> Karl, yes... form spam is becoming more and more of a problem. Could you
    >>> explain your solution a little further? I've played with Captcha but
    >>> I've gotten so sick of that... wish there was a better way. Damn
    >>> spammers.
    >>>
    >>> Laurence

    >> Hi Laurence,
    >>
    >> I see you have already received some suggestions more advanced than what I
    >> am using, but you're welcome to look at my new improved contact
    >> form...http://www.k-c-p.com/html/NewContact.cfm
    >>
    >> --
    >> Cheers,
    >> Karl
    >>
    >> http://www.k-c-p.com/

    >
    >

    Can you tell me which coffee cup modules are worth buying in your view?

  9. #19
    Micah Klesick
    Guest

    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    I have a interesting way of stopping spammers and it seems to work well. I
    have not got a single spam from that email address. :-)
    Here is the code I use.
    -
    <a href='mailto:webmasterATlearnNOF.creationtidbitsDO Tcom?body=Please fix
    the email address above by changing the AT and the DOT<br>I have done that
    to cut out spam. Thank you'>Micah Klesick</a>
    -
    It seems funny, but works well.

    --
    Micah Klesick
    www.learnNOF.com
    Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    NetObjects Fusion
    --
    For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    --

    "RayC" <campbell.reXspamX@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
    news:f3p6p2$8sa2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >I stumbled across this link, which appears to be on an old section of the
    >NetObjects website.
    >
    > http://www.netobjects.com/workbench/spamfree.html
    >
    > Does anyone have a clue whether this would work in NOF 10?
    >
    > Thanks.
    >
    > RayC
    >




  10. #20
    LBA
    Guest

    Default Re: Netobjects SPAM-Free?

    Well, that certainly would work. So would not providing your customers
    with a way of contacting you. But be realistic... you can't make a
    website for client and then provide them with a solution like that.

    Laurence



    Micah Klesick wrote:
    > I have a interesting way of stopping spammers and it seems to work well. I
    > have not got a single spam from that email address. :-)
    > Here is the code I use.
    > -
    > <a href='mailto:webmasterATlearnNOF.creationtidbitsDO Tcom?body=Please fix
    > the email address above by changing the AT and the DOT<br>I have done that
    > to cut out spam. Thank you'>Micah Klesick</a>
    > -
    > It seems funny, but works well.
    >


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