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  1. #11
    Richard Wayne Garganta
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    Default Re: Image label

    No, what is next is if your site does not change every 10 minutes,
    people with ADHD will be able to sue for you not making reasonable
    accommodations for their disability.

    David wrote:
    > Thanks for the laugh Mike
    >
    > "To remove the alt tags is theoretically illegal, as you are required
    > to make your pages accessible to as many people as possible."
    >
    > I haven't laughed so hard in ages.
    >
    > What next? Compulsory software to read every web page out loud just in
    > case someone blind might be looking at it?
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:59 +0100, Mike Coombes <mike@ktf-design.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> You shouldn't try to stop these appearing. In fact you can use them to
    >> give extra information; instead of having it show the name of a picture
    >> or whatever, you can have, say, "Picture of 1973 Ford (c) Bob" or
    >> whatever you want to say. What you see as an annoyance is utterly
    >> critical to, say, blind people surfing and using a reader, and is
    >> important also to help google index. To remove the alt tags is
    >> theoretically illegal, as you are required to make your pages accessible
    >> to as many people as possible.
    >>
    >> Bob wrote:
    >>> I have a new question. When I preview my site in internet explorer, and I
    >>> move my mouse over a picture, the name that I gave the image appears. How
    >>> can I keep that from appearing? Also, when I previewing the site, I noticed
    >>> that the name that I gave the button appears. How can I keep the name of my
    >>> buttons from showing up on internet explorer, and instead show a message
    >>> such as "Welcome to .......Site!"? Any help would greatly be appreciated.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >

    W

  2. #12
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: Image label

    As I have stated before, I am all for assisting those with issues. But
    I know of both blind, crippled and deaf that have been using the
    internet without a problem for years. Most blind are not totally blind
    as is commonly thought. They have screen magnifiers that they use.
    From what I understand the supposed illegality of websites are for
    government sites and others that would fall under that category of "paid
    for by public funds." If your site is used by or paid for by the
    government or it is necessary that the public have access you fall under
    this category. That is why you will notice a familiar look to all those
    sites.

    Mike Coombes wrote:
    > Glad u think it's funny. Look it up - accessibility. In the UK it's
    > covered by the disability discrimination act 1995, and similar in the
    > US. If you design a site that excludes certain sectors of the population
    > from viewing it, (a) you're theoretically discriminating against them,
    > and (b) you're dumb, because you're reducing the overall number of
    > people who can access your site.
    >
    > Blind people have their own reader software. You just have to provide
    > content that can be read, and providing alt tags for images -
    > particularly for navigation - is important. What use is your site if a
    > proportion of your potential visitors can't navigate beyond the home
    > page? If it's your own 'my family' site, I doubt anyone will care, but
    > if it's a commercial site, you could be missing out on customers.
    >
    > David wrote:
    >> Thanks for the laugh Mike
    >> "To remove the alt tags is theoretically illegal, as you are required
    >> to make your pages accessible to as many people as possible."
    >>
    >> I haven't laughed so hard in ages.
    >>
    >> What next? Compulsory software to read every web page out loud just in
    >> case someone blind might be looking at it?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:59 +0100, Mike Coombes <mike@ktf-design.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> You shouldn't try to stop these appearing. In fact you can use them
    >>> to give extra information; instead of having it show the name of a
    >>> picture or whatever, you can have, say, "Picture of 1973 Ford (c)
    >>> Bob" or whatever you want to say. What you see as an annoyance is
    >>> utterly critical to, say, blind people surfing and using a reader,
    >>> and is important also to help google index. To remove the alt tags is
    >>> theoretically illegal, as you are required to make your pages
    >>> accessible to as many people as possible.
    >>>
    >>> Bob wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I have a new question. When I preview my site in internet explorer,
    >>>> and I move my mouse over a picture, the name that I gave the image
    >>>> appears. How can I keep that from appearing? Also, when I
    >>>> previewing the site, I noticed that the name that I gave the button
    >>>> appears. How can I keep the name of my buttons from showing up on
    >>>> internet explorer, and instead show a message such as "Welcome to
    >>>> .......Site!"? Any help would greatly be appreciated.
    >>>>
    >>>>

    >>
    >>


  3. #13
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Image label

    FYI In most parts of the world including NZ, Web Accessibility is already a
    very serious issue. If you build sites for City, State or Fed. Government
    offices you are required to build sites with a high degree of web
    accessibility. That means valid code and valid code requires correct use of
    image alt tags.

    Alt tags were never intended to produce tool tips. They are intended to
    provide some indication of what an image is in text based browsers, mobile
    phones (when images are disabled) and web assist devices. IE is the only
    web browser that makes a tool tip out of alt text. More accurate browsers
    do not. They use title tag instead (which is optional). If you run your
    site through a code validator, you'll find that Alt tags are required on all
    images. And if the image isn't related to content (a clearpixel gif
    placeholder, for example) then the correct syntax would be alt=" "

    More on web accessibility:
    http://alt-web.blogspot.com/2007/06/...all-users.html

    Designing Sites for the Mobile Web:
    http://alt-web.blogspot.com/2007/07/...eb-design.html

    --Nancy O.
    Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    www.alt-web.com


    "David" <david@flair.net.nz> wrote in message
    news:vpr89359tunmkct19lj3ps3etngq104044@4ax.com...
    >
    > Thanks for the laugh Mike
    >
    > "To remove the alt tags is theoretically illegal, as you are required
    > to make your pages accessible to as many people as possible."
    >
    > I haven't laughed so hard in ages.
    >
    > What next? Compulsory software to read every web page out loud just in
    > case someone blind might be looking at it?
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:59 +0100, Mike Coombes <mike@ktf-design.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >You shouldn't try to stop these appearing. In fact you can use them to
    > >give extra information; instead of having it show the name of a picture
    > >or whatever, you can have, say, "Picture of 1973 Ford (c) Bob" or
    > >whatever you want to say. What you see as an annoyance is utterly
    > >critical to, say, blind people surfing and using a reader, and is
    > >important also to help google index. To remove the alt tags is
    > >theoretically illegal, as you are required to make your pages accessible
    > >to as many people as possible.
    > >
    > >Bob wrote:
    > >> I have a new question. When I preview my site in internet explorer,

    and I
    > >> move my mouse over a picture, the name that I gave the image appears.

    How
    > >> can I keep that from appearing? Also, when I previewing the site, I

    noticed
    > >> that the name that I gave the button appears. How can I keep the name

    of my
    > >> buttons from showing up on internet explorer, and instead show a

    message
    > >> such as "Welcome to .......Site!"? Any help would greatly be

    appreciated.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >




  4. #14
    David
    Guest

    Default Re: Image label


    Mike, how can I be "...theoretically excluding..." people by designing
    a site that works in the best way for me, my client and our target
    audience? Its about time a few people got over this whole "exclusion"
    crap!

    No, I am NOT dumb, thank you very much. I design sites that work and
    make sales, but I don't give a tinker's cuss if it doesn't work for
    everyone, as long as it works for most. A lot of my sites (so I'm
    told) don't render well inSafari, but I don't give a shit. Why?
    because Apple users don't spend money on the things I sell.

    Oh, and US and UK law have no effect in NZ, so they can get over
    themselves, too.


    On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:29:49 +0100, Mike Coombes <mike@ktf-design.com>
    wrote:

    >Glad u think it's funny. Look it up - accessibility. In the UK it's
    >covered by the disability discrimination act 1995, and similar in the
    >US. If you design a site that excludes certain sectors of the population
    >from viewing it, (a) you're theoretically discriminating against them,
    >and (b) you're dumb, because you're reducing the overall number of
    >people who can access your site.
    >
    >Blind people have their own reader software. You just have to provide
    >content that can be read, and providing alt tags for images -
    >particularly for navigation - is important. What use is your site if a
    >proportion of your potential visitors can't navigate beyond the home
    >page? If it's your own 'my family' site, I doubt anyone will care, but
    >if it's a commercial site, you could be missing out on customers.
    >
    >David wrote:
    >> Thanks for the laugh Mike
    >>
    >> "To remove the alt tags is theoretically illegal, as you are required
    >> to make your pages accessible to as many people as possible."
    >>
    >> I haven't laughed so hard in ages.
    >>
    >> What next? Compulsory software to read every web page out loud just in
    >> case someone blind might be looking at it?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:59 +0100, Mike Coombes <mike@ktf-design.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> You shouldn't try to stop these appearing. In fact you can use them to
    >>> give extra information; instead of having it show the name of a picture
    >>> or whatever, you can have, say, "Picture of 1973 Ford (c) Bob" or
    >>> whatever you want to say. What you see as an annoyance is utterly
    >>> critical to, say, blind people surfing and using a reader, and is
    >>> important also to help google index. To remove the alt tags is
    >>> theoretically illegal, as you are required to make your pages accessible
    >>> to as many people as possible.
    >>>
    >>> Bob wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I have a new question. When I preview my site in internet explorer, and I
    >>>> move my mouse over a picture, the name that I gave the image appears. How
    >>>> can I keep that from appearing? Also, when I previewing the site, I noticed
    >>>> that the name that I gave the button appears. How can I keep the name of my
    >>>> buttons from showing up on internet explorer, and instead show a message
    >>>> such as "Welcome to .......Site!"? Any help would greatly be appreciated.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>

    >>
    >>



  5. #15
    Mike Coombes
    Guest

    Default Re: Image label

    Uhh... that's just fine, Dave, nobody's dictating to you.

    I'm just amazed you can be working as a designer and not have heard of
    accessability issues. Or that you can't care whether or not you exclude
    a section of your audience. I bet if you expressed it in the way you
    have below, your clients might be suprised too.

    You ARE dumb if you think ignoring this will make it go away and not
    affect you. NZ doesn't exit in a vacuum -
    http://www.e.govt.nz/standards/web-g...tandards-v1.0/

    David wrote:
    > Mike, how can I be "...theoretically excluding..." people by designing
    > a site that works in the best way for me, my client and our target
    > audience? Its about time a few people got over this whole "exclusion"
    > crap!
    >
    > No, I am NOT dumb, thank you very much. I design sites that work and
    > make sales, but I don't give a tinker's cuss if it doesn't work for
    > everyone, as long as it works for most. A lot of my sites (so I'm
    > told) don't render well inSafari, but I don't give a shit. Why?
    > because Apple users don't spend money on the things I sell.
    >
    > Oh, and US and UK law have no effect in NZ, so they can get over
    > themselves, too.
    >
    >
    > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:29:49 +0100, Mike Coombes <mike@ktf-design.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Glad u think it's funny. Look it up - accessibility. In the UK it's
    >> covered by the disability discrimination act 1995, and similar in the
    >> US. If you design a site that excludes certain sectors of the population
    >>
    > >from viewing it, (a) you're theoretically discriminating against them,

    >
    >> and (b) you're dumb, because you're reducing the overall number of
    >> people who can access your site.
    >>
    >> Blind people have their own reader software. You just have to provide
    >> content that can be read, and providing alt tags for images -
    >> particularly for navigation - is important. What use is your site if a
    >> proportion of your potential visitors can't navigate beyond the home
    >> page? If it's your own 'my family' site, I doubt anyone will care, but
    >> if it's a commercial site, you could be missing out on customers.
    >>
    >> David wrote:
    >>
    >>> Thanks for the laugh Mike
    >>>
    >>> "To remove the alt tags is theoretically illegal, as you are required
    >>> to make your pages accessible to as many people as possible."
    >>>
    >>> I haven't laughed so hard in ages.
    >>>
    >>> What next? Compulsory software to read every web page out loud just in
    >>> case someone blind might be looking at it?
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:59 +0100, Mike Coombes <mike@ktf-design.com>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> You shouldn't try to stop these appearing. In fact you can use them to
    >>>> give extra information; instead of having it show the name of a picture
    >>>> or whatever, you can have, say, "Picture of 1973 Ford (c) Bob" or
    >>>> whatever you want to say. What you see as an annoyance is utterly
    >>>> critical to, say, blind people surfing and using a reader, and is
    >>>> important also to help google index. To remove the alt tags is
    >>>> theoretically illegal, as you are required to make your pages accessible
    >>>> to as many people as possible.
    >>>>
    >>>> Bob wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> I have a new question. When I preview my site in internet explorer, and I
    >>>>> move my mouse over a picture, the name that I gave the image appears. How
    >>>>> can I keep that from appearing? Also, when I previewing the site, I noticed
    >>>>> that the name that I gave the button appears. How can I keep the name of my
    >>>>> buttons from showing up on internet explorer, and instead show a message
    >>>>> such as "Welcome to .......Site!"? Any help would greatly be appreciated.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >
    >


  6. #16
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: Image label

    Yikes. Such gross ingnorance and bravado...

    Can better web accessibilty mean improved search engine rankings?
    http://alt-web.blogspot.com/2007/07/...lity-mean.html


    --Nancy O.
    Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    www.alt-web.com

    "David" <david@flair.net.nz> wrote in message
    newsucg93dqvp7lmc0moj3gb39em4i16n73ea@4ax.com...
    >
    > Mike, how can I be "...theoretically excluding..." people by designing
    > a site that works in the best way for me, my client and our target
    > audience? Its about time a few people got over this whole "exclusion"
    > crap!
    >
    > No, I am NOT dumb, thank you very much. I design sites that work and
    > make sales, but I don't give a tinker's cuss if it doesn't work for
    > everyone, as long as it works for most. A lot of my sites (so I'm
    > told) don't render well inSafari, but I don't give a shit. Why?
    > because Apple users don't spend money on the things I sell.
    >
    > Oh, and US and UK law have no effect in NZ, so they can get over
    > themselves, too.
    >
    >
    > On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:29:49 +0100, Mike Coombes <mike@ktf-design.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Glad u think it's funny. Look it up - accessibility. In the UK it's
    > >covered by the disability discrimination act 1995, and similar in the
    > >US. If you design a site that excludes certain sectors of the population
    > >from viewing it, (a) you're theoretically discriminating against them,
    > >and (b) you're dumb, because you're reducing the overall number of
    > >people who can access your site.
    > >
    > >Blind people have their own reader software. You just have to provide
    > >content that can be read, and providing alt tags for images -
    > >particularly for navigation - is important. What use is your site if a
    > >proportion of your potential visitors can't navigate beyond the home
    > >page? If it's your own 'my family' site, I doubt anyone will care, but
    > >if it's a commercial site, you could be missing out on customers.
    > >
    > >David wrote:
    > >> Thanks for the laugh Mike
    > >>
    > >> "To remove the alt tags is theoretically illegal, as you are required
    > >> to make your pages accessible to as many people as possible."
    > >>
    > >> I haven't laughed so hard in ages.
    > >>
    > >> What next? Compulsory software to read every web page out loud just in
    > >> case someone blind might be looking at it?
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:24:59 +0100, Mike Coombes <mike@ktf-design.com>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>> You shouldn't try to stop these appearing. In fact you can use them to
    > >>> give extra information; instead of having it show the name of a

    picture
    > >>> or whatever, you can have, say, "Picture of 1973 Ford (c) Bob" or
    > >>> whatever you want to say. What you see as an annoyance is utterly
    > >>> critical to, say, blind people surfing and using a reader, and is
    > >>> important also to help google index. To remove the alt tags is
    > >>> theoretically illegal, as you are required to make your pages

    accessible
    > >>> to as many people as possible.
    > >>>
    > >>> Bob wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> I have a new question. When I preview my site in internet explorer,

    and I
    > >>>> move my mouse over a picture, the name that I gave the image appears.

    How
    > >>>> can I keep that from appearing? Also, when I previewing the site, I

    noticed
    > >>>> that the name that I gave the button appears. How can I keep the

    name of my
    > >>>> buttons from showing up on internet explorer, and instead show a

    message
    > >>>> such as "Welcome to .......Site!"? Any help would greatly be

    appreciated.
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>
    > >>

    >




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