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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 09:59:28 -0500, TheBox wrote:
> I am getting "does not support quirks mode" needs to have a valid doc
> type... error in all browsers.
>
> I can't find any headers on this on his forums. Do you have any insight on
> this error?
See my other reply.
:-)
Charles
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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 11:35:55 -0700, Rhonda wrote:
> WOW! Now that's what I've been looking for! I just hope I can follow
> instructions when I get to that point
> Thanks Charles!
It is pretty straightforward.
Just be sure to have NOF 11 set to publish as XHTML (otherwise it is
generating an incomplete DOCTYPE that throws IE into "quirks mode").
An interesting note about Floatbox (according to the docs) is that it was
designed to be a "drop in" replacement for Lytebox and other such
libraries.
You don't have to change the rel="lytebox" to rel="floatbox" on the links
you may aleady have in place.
Floatbox detects all the major named links and simply uses what is there.
:-)
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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
I am in v10 Charles.
Bert
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> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 12:55:58 -0500, TheBox wrote:
>
>> Ok, I give; how can I change the doc type to let floatbox work? I can't
>> seem to find a place to change or edit.
>
> Bert,
>
> Switch NOF to publish using XHTML.
>
> I use that 100% of the time and it has a valid (complete ) DOCTYPE.
>
>
> If you don't use XHTML then NOF publishes like this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>
>
> That is an incomplete DOCTYPE because it does not have a URL for the DTD.
>
> As a result - the NOF generated page renders in "quirks mode".
>
> Floatbox fails when it tests the browser rendering for document.compatMode
> === 'BackCompat'.
>
>
> Here is a MSDN URL that explains it:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...87(VS.85).aspx
>
>
>
> When you switch to use XHTML, NOF publishes like this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
>
>
> To see what I am talking about, just do a local publish and view page
> source.
>
>
> Unfortunately NOF does not have a way to change this short of post editing
> the code (unless you use the XHTML output).
>
> I reported this countless times in the past to no avail, but just reported
> it again today (after seeing this post).
>
>
>
> Does that help?
>
> Charles
>
>
>
>
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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:18:06 -0500, TheBox wrote:
> I am in v10 Charles.
Hi Bert,
That could be a problem then.
I started complaining about the incomplete DOCTYPE even back then but it
went unfixed.
Maybe it will get fixed now and added to an update for V10.
The next best thing here could be to mod the Javascript file for Floatbox
so that it does not check for it.
Some of the scripts do, some don't.
Some don't check and don't work - others do (it is enough to drive a man to
drink<g>).
I do remember that even in Lytebox they address the IE6 quirks mode issue
with regards to themes, and to work around it I had to manually change the
order of themes in the CSS file.
BTW - here is a good one...
NOF 7.5 **WORKS** with Floatbox, even with its incomplete DOCTYPE, but I
noticed that it is generating:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
not
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
Go figure!
NOF 10 generates:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
(which is what the standard stuff is in NOF 11).
It sure would be nice to be able to fix that.
:-)
Charles
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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
Thank you for clarifying Charles. I am SOL then I guess until I upgrade.
Thank you anyway for the 'great looking' script at this time... <grin/>
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Bert
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> On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:18:06 -0500, TheBox wrote:
>
>> I am in v10 Charles.
>
> Hi Bert,
>
> That could be a problem then.
>
> I started complaining about the incomplete DOCTYPE even back then but it
> went unfixed.
>
> Maybe it will get fixed now and added to an update for V10.
>
> The next best thing here could be to mod the Javascript file for Floatbox
> so that it does not check for it.
>
> Some of the scripts do, some don't.
>
> Some don't check and don't work - others do (it is enough to drive a man
> to
> drink<g>).
>
>
> I do remember that even in Lytebox they address the IE6 quirks mode issue
> with regards to themes, and to work around it I had to manually change the
> order of themes in the CSS file.
>
>
> BTW - here is a good one...
>
> NOF 7.5 **WORKS** with Floatbox, even with its incomplete DOCTYPE, but I
> noticed that it is generating:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>
> not
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>
>
> Go figure!
>
>
> NOF 10 generates:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>
> (which is what the standard stuff is in NOF 11).
>
>
> It sure would be nice to be able to fix that.
>
> :-)
>
> Charles
>
>
>
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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
Thanks Charles
>>Switch NOF to publish using XHTML<<
Sadly this rules it out for me then; I have never been able to publish to
XHTML. I could never get my sites to display correctly and had to start from
scratch on each site I tried this on and then publish the "old" dynamic way.
Peter
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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
On 8 Dec 2008 00:46:43 -0700, Peter Phelan wrote:
>>>Switch NOF to publish using XHTML<<
>
> Sadly this rules it out for me then; I have never been able to publish to
> XHTML. I could never get my sites to display correctly and had to start from
> scratch on each site I tried this on and then publish the "old" dynamic way.
Hi Peter,
Interesting - I've never had a problem with any of the ones I created from
scratch (and even a few I have converted).
Take care,
Charles
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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
Hi Charles,
I guess it's because you are much more proficient at coding than me I am
basically a commercial photographer and the reason I chose NOF all those years
ago is because it provided an easy conversion path from my litho print DTP
background to getting web sites designed and built.
I eagerly upgraded to NOF 11 but quickly found anything I produced and
published as XHTML was a complete nightmare as far as page layout was
concerned. And later trying to publish these sames sites as dynamic was a
similar disaster! Hence the need to start all over again from scratch.
I was therefore relieved to find I could still do things in dynamic mode and I
was "back to normal" once more. I have to say of course the upgrade to 11 was
still worth it for all the other aspects of the software.
Peter
On Mon, Dec 8 2008 8:51 am, Charles Edmonds <cje_ByteMeSpammers_@lansrad.com> said:
>On 8 Dec 2008 00:46:43 -0700, Peter Phelan wrote:
>
>>>>Switch NOF to publish using XHTML<<
>>
>> Sadly this rules it out for me then; I have never been able to publish to
>> XHTML. I could never get my sites to display correctly and had to start from
>> scratch on each site I tried this on and then publish the "old" dynamic way.
>
>Hi Peter,
>
>Interesting - I've never had a problem with any of the ones I created from
>scratch (and even a few I have converted).
>
>Take care,
>
>Charles
>
>
>
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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
On 8 Dec 2008 03:17:24 -0700, Peter Phelan wrote:
> I guess it's because you are much more proficient at coding than me
LOL - I'd write it off to "my dumb luck" myself<g>
>I am basically a commercial photographer and the reason I chose NOF all those years
> ago is because it provided an easy conversion path from my litho print DTP
> background to getting web sites designed and built.
Makes perfect sense.
> I eagerly upgraded to NOF 11 but quickly found anything I produced and
> published as XHTML was a complete nightmare as far as page layout was
> concerned. And later trying to publish these sames sites as dynamic was a
> similar disaster! Hence the need to start all over again from scratch.
Just curious, was this after the update to V11?
I know there were some things that were fixed there.
Also your not doing any fixed layout are you?
> I was therefore relieved to find I could still do things in dynamic mode and I
> was "back to normal" once more.
One thing that I do which may work in my favor is I use Layout Regions a
lot. I used to drop in a text box, then put everything inside that, but
have discovered that I get a much better degree of control when I use
Layout Regions as "mini canvases", put my content on them and then position
them as needed.
> I have to say of course the upgrade to 11 was
> still worth it for all the other aspects of the software.
I'd agree.
Even with a few quirks it is still the best yet IMHO and I am sure that WSP
will continue to make it better.
V11 was a giant step forward for NOF and to that end I am willing to cut
them some slack while they iron out a few kinks.
I have no doubt that it will only continue to get better and that someday
when they do a V12 it will be even better still (as it will build on this
new technology).
:-)
Charles
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Re: Best Lightbox ever!
Hi Charles,
Thanks for the comments. As for the trouble with XHTML, these all started from
the outset. Having upgraded to 11 I thought it would be a good opportunity to
update all my sites by starting completely afresh, but using the same basic
content etc. I had some sites in 9 and 10.
With my DTP background I have continued to use layout regions in the same way
as columns when laying out print pages. However being mindful of the code this
generates, have always kept things as simple as possible and ensured for
example that all layout regions snap to the page layout guides and grids, that
layouts containing centred text headlines extend out to snap to the main guides
etc.
In effect, I have always laid out my web pages in much the same ways as when
laying out magazine or brochures pages. I therefore ensure that all the
elements - text, images, multimedia content - fall within the overall grid
layout of the page. I understand the developers of Quark Xpress were involved
in the early development of NOF, so discovering Fusion at version 7 was a huge
benefit for me after dabbling with other web development software including
GoLive for example.
Having become accustomed to having my web pages publish more or less as I laid
them out, it came as a shock to find that all this went haywire when publishing
to XHTML. And to then find that even changing the publishing method back to
dynamic, did not solve the issue, had me quickly going back to the drawing
board! And remember these were "virgin" stites started from scratch; not
existing sites imported into 11.
By contrast, reverting to making new sites in dynamic mode, I have been able to
import old version templates and everything has worked fine. So working on the
old adage of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" I am now just continuing as
before, with everything designed and published in dynamic mode. I never have
used fixed layout or tables - except for things that needed a table for simple
alignment as you would in a print layout.
After years of running four colour litho print material to Mac based Postscript
image setters, I am also very careful about anything placed in my layouts. All
images are correctly prepared and sized and imported text for example is copied
into Notepad to strip it of all formatting before adding that to any NOF
layout.
I have slowly gained knowledge of such things as basic html, scripts, php
coding etc, but only so far as to allow me to integrate such elements into
NOF; I have no desire to become a "proper" web developer! As such, I guess
I am the kind of guy for whom NOF was designed - a businessman, looking for a
simple way to design and build his own web sites!
Peter
On Mon, Dec 8 2008 1:23 pm, Charles Edmonds <cje_ByteMeSpammers_@lansrad.com> said:
>On 8 Dec 2008 03:17:24 -0700, Peter Phelan wrote:
>
>> I guess it's because you are much more proficient at coding than me
>
>LOL - I'd write it off to "my dumb luck" myself<g>
>
>
>>I am basically a commercial photographer and the reason I chose NOF all those years
>> ago is because it provided an easy conversion path from my litho print DTP
>> background to getting web sites designed and built.
>
>Makes perfect sense.
>
>
>> I eagerly upgraded to NOF 11 but quickly found anything I produced and
>> published as XHTML was a complete nightmare as far as page layout was
>> concerned. And later trying to publish these sames sites as dynamic was a
>> similar disaster! Hence the need to start all over again from scratch.
>
>Just curious, was this after the update to V11?
>
>I know there were some things that were fixed there.
>
>
>Also your not doing any fixed layout are you?
>
>
>
>> I was therefore relieved to find I could still do things in dynamic mode and I
>> was "back to normal" once more.
>
>One thing that I do which may work in my favor is I use Layout Regions a
>lot. I used to drop in a text box, then put everything inside that, but
>have discovered that I get a much better degree of control when I use
>Layout Regions as "mini canvases", put my content on them and then position
>them as needed.
>
>> I have to say of course the upgrade to 11 was
>> still worth it for all the other aspects of the software.
>
>I'd agree.
>
>Even with a few quirks it is still the best yet IMHO and I am sure that WSP
>will continue to make it better.
>
>V11 was a giant step forward for NOF and to that end I am willing to cut
>them some slack while they iron out a few kinks.
>
>I have no doubt that it will only continue to get better and that someday
>when they do a V12 it will be even better still (as it will build on this
>new technology).
>
>:-)
>
>Charles
>
>
>
>
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