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  1. #1
    Jeff
    Guest

    Default NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Hello group,

    I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests for
    users who are using table.

    Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.

    (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)

    Test 1.
    Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will monitor
    just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by typing
    'perfmon' from the Run command.

    So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit Alt Tab
    to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.

    For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.

    I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some kind
    of recursive action.

    Report back on your findings.


    Test 2.
    Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo changes so
    you get back to the original table.

    When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.

    Report back on your findings.

    Regards
    Jeff



  2. #2
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Questions so we are all on same page:

    Site settings:

    1) Dynamic layout?
    ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___

    2) Fixed page layout? ___

    3) HTML output? _____

    4) CSS output? ____

    5) With default MasterBorders? ____

    6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____

    Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.

    --N


    "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Hello group,
    >
    > I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    > NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests for
    > users who are using table.
    >
    > Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >
    > (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >
    > Test 1.
    > Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will monitor
    > just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by typing
    > 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >
    > So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit Alt

    Tab
    > to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >
    > For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >
    > I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some

    kind
    > of recursive action.
    >
    > Report back on your findings.
    >
    >
    > Test 2.
    > Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo changes

    so
    > you get back to the original table.
    >
    > When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >
    > Report back on your findings.
    >
    > Regards
    > Jeff
    >
    >




  3. #3
    Jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Nancy,

    Let people go with what they have and they report back with configuration.

    Jeff

    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Questions so we are all on same page:
    >
    > Site settings:
    >
    > 1) Dynamic layout?
    > ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    >
    > 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    >
    > 3) HTML output? _____
    >
    > 4) CSS output? ____
    >
    > 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    >
    > 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    >
    > Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    >
    > --N
    >
    >
    > "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Hello group,
    >>
    >> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    >> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests
    >> for
    >> users who are using table.
    >>
    >> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >>
    >> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >>
    >> Test 1.
    >> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will
    >> monitor
    >> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by typing
    >> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >>
    >> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit Alt

    > Tab
    >> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >>
    >> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >>
    >> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some

    > kind
    >> of recursive action.
    >>
    >> Report back on your findings.
    >>
    >>
    >> Test 2.
    >> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo changes

    > so
    >> you get back to the original table.
    >>
    >> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >>
    >> Report back on your findings.
    >>
    >> Regards
    >> Jeff
    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  4. #4
    Micah Klesick \(www.learnNOF.com\)
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing everything
    one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they want. Otherwise there will be no
    real real results.


    --
    Micah Klesick
    www.learnNOF.com
    Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    NetObjects Fusion
    --
    For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    --

    "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Nancy,
    >
    > Let people go with what they have and they report back with configuration.
    >
    > Jeff
    >
    > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Questions so we are all on same page:
    >>
    >> Site settings:
    >>
    >> 1) Dynamic layout?
    >> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    >>
    >> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    >>
    >> 3) HTML output? _____
    >>
    >> 4) CSS output? ____
    >>
    >> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    >>
    >> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    >>
    >> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    >>
    >> --N
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> Hello group,
    >>>
    >>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    >>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests
    >>> for
    >>> users who are using table.
    >>>
    >>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >>>
    >>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >>>
    >>> Test 1.
    >>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will
    >>> monitor
    >>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by typing
    >>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >>>
    >>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit Alt

    >> Tab
    >>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >>>
    >>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >>>
    >>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some

    >> kind
    >>> of recursive action.
    >>>
    >>> Report back on your findings.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Test 2.
    >>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo changes

    >> so
    >>> you get back to the original table.
    >>>
    >>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >>>
    >>> Report back on your findings.
    >>>
    >>> Regards
    >>> Jeff
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  5. #5
    Jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Hello,

    I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a controled
    test, its real life.

    Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.

    Jeff



    "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in message
    news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing everything
    > one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt. Otherwise there will be no
    > real real results.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Micah Klesick
    > www.learnNOF.com
    > Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > NetObjects Fusion
    > --
    > For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > --
    >
    > "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Nancy,
    >>
    >> Let people go with what they have and they report back with
    >> configuration.
    >>
    >> Jeff
    >>
    >> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    >> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    >>>
    >>> Site settings:
    >>>
    >>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    >>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    >>>
    >>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    >>>
    >>> 3) HTML output? _____
    >>>
    >>> 4) CSS output? ____
    >>>
    >>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    >>>
    >>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    >>>
    >>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    >>>
    >>> --N
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> Hello group,
    >>>>
    >>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    >>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests
    >>>> for
    >>>> users who are using table.
    >>>>
    >>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >>>>
    >>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >>>>
    >>>> Test 1.
    >>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will
    >>>> monitor
    >>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by typing
    >>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >>>>
    >>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit Alt
    >>> Tab
    >>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >>>>
    >>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >>>>
    >>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some
    >>> kind
    >>>> of recursive action.
    >>>>
    >>>> Report back on your findings.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Test 2.
    >>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo
    >>>> changes
    >>> so
    >>>> you get back to the original table.
    >>>>
    >>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >>>>
    >>>> Report back on your findings.
    >>>>
    >>>> Regards
    >>>> Jeff
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  6. #6
    Gary W Dumbleton
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    I agree with Micah and Nancy,

    Gary


    "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Hello,
    >
    > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a controled
    > test, its real life.
    >
    > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    >
    > Jeff
    >
    >
    >
    > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in
    > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing everything
    >> one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt. Otherwise there will be
    >> no real real results.
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Micah Klesick
    >> www.learnNOF.com
    >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    >> NetObjects Fusion
    >> --
    >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    >> --
    >>
    >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> Nancy,
    >>>
    >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with
    >>> configuration.
    >>>
    >>> Jeff
    >>>
    >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    >>>>
    >>>> Site settings:
    >>>>
    >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    >>>>
    >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    >>>>
    >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    >>>>
    >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    >>>>
    >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    >>>>
    >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    >>>>
    >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    >>>>
    >>>> --N
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>>> Hello group,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests
    >>>>> for
    >>>>> users who are using table.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Test 1.
    >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will
    >>>>> monitor
    >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by
    >>>>> typing
    >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit
    >>>>> Alt
    >>>> Tab
    >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some
    >>>> kind
    >>>>> of recursive action.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Test 2.
    >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo
    >>>>> changes
    >>>> so
    >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Regards
    >>>>> Jeff
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  7. #7
    LBA
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    I certainly do agree with Gary and Micah and Nancy, since your
    instructions are so vague that they provide no basis for evaluation, but
    just for yucks, I figured I'd give it a go. I opened NOF and the
    performance monitor and closed all other apps... at which point memory
    usage was at 38%... and then I created a table... at which point memory
    usage was at 38%... and then I converted the table to a layout region...
    at which point memory usage was at 38%. Proof positive... there is no bug.

    Laurence


    Gary W Dumbleton wrote:
    > I agree with Micah and Nancy,
    >
    > Gary
    >
    >
    > "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > Hello,
    > >
    > > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a controled
    > > test, its real life.
    > >
    > > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    > >
    > > Jeff
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in
    > > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing everything
    > >> one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt. Otherwise there will be
    > >> no real real results.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Micah Klesick
    > >> www.learnNOF.com
    > >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > >> NetObjects Fusion
    > >> --
    > >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > >> --
    > >>
    > >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >>> Nancy,
    > >>>
    > >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with
    > >>> configuration.
    > >>>
    > >>> Jeff
    > >>>
    > >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > >>> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Site settings:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    > >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    > >>>>
    > >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> --N
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >>>>> Hello group,
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    > >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests
    > >>>>> for
    > >>>>> users who are using table.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Test 1.
    > >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will
    > >>>>> monitor
    > >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by
    > >>>>> typing
    > >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit
    > >>>>> Alt
    > >>>> Tab
    > >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some
    > >>>> kind
    > >>>>> of recursive action.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Test 2.
    > >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo
    > >>>>> changes
    > >>>> so
    > >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>> Regards
    > >>>>> Jeff
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>>
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >


  8. #8
    Peter Eisenburger
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    LBA wrote:
    > I certainly do agree with Gary and Micah and Nancy, since your
    > instructions are so vague that they provide no basis for evaluation, but
    > just for yucks, I figured I'd give it a go. I opened NOF and the
    > performance monitor and closed all other apps... at which point memory
    > usage was at 38%... and then I created a table... at which point memory
    > usage was at 38%... and then I converted the table to a layout region...
    > at which point memory usage was at 38%. Proof positive... there is no bug.


    This is no proof neither.

    The case reminds me at the memory leak that was "introduced" some
    versions ago and from which I don't know whether it has been resolved.

    In the case of Jeff's experience, since he first mentioned it, I always
    thought of tags that might have been imported into the project with the
    pasted text.

    Peter


    >
    > Laurence
    >
    >
    > Gary W Dumbleton wrote:
    >> I agree with Micah and Nancy,
    >>
    >> Gary
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> > Hello,
    >> >
    >> > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a

    >> controled > test, its real life.
    >> >
    >> > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    >> >
    >> > Jeff
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in
    >> > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing

    >> everything >> one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt.
    >> Otherwise there will be >> no real real results.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> -- >> Micah Klesick
    >> >> www.learnNOF.com
    >> >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    >> >> NetObjects Fusion
    >> >> --
    >> >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    >> >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    >> >> --
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message >>

    >> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >>> Nancy,
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with >>>

    >> configuration.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Jeff
    >> >>>
    >> >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message >>>

    >> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Site settings:
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    >> >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> --N
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >>>>> Hello group,
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of

    >> the
    >> >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of

    >> tests >>>>> for
    >> >>>>> users who are using table.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Test 1.
    >> >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that

    >> will >>>>> monitor
    >> >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by
    >> >>>>> typing
    >> >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then

    >> hit >>>>> Alt
    >> >>>> Tab
    >> >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself

    >> into some
    >> >>>> kind
    >> >>>>> of recursive action.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Test 2.
    >> >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo
    >> >>>>> changes
    >> >>>> so
    >> >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Regards
    >> >>>>> Jeff
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>


  9. #9
    LBA
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Of course it's not proof. I was being factitious. But he didn't want
    anything other than a weakly defined undisciplined inconclusive
    analysis... and so that is what I offered.

    Laurence



    Peter Eisenburger wrote:
    > LBA wrote:
    >> I certainly do agree with Gary and Micah and Nancy, since your
    >> instructions are so vague that they provide no basis for evaluation,
    >> but just for yucks, I figured I'd give it a go. I opened NOF and the
    >> performance monitor and closed all other apps... at which point
    >> memory usage was at 38%... and then I created a table... at which
    >> point memory usage was at 38%... and then I converted the table to a
    >> layout region... at which point memory usage was at 38%. Proof
    >> positive... there is no bug.

    >
    > This is no proof neither.
    >
    > The case reminds me at the memory leak that was "introduced" some
    > versions ago and from which I don't know whether it has been resolved.
    >
    > In the case of Jeff's experience, since he first mentioned it, I
    > always thought of tags that might have been imported into the project
    > with the pasted text.
    >
    > Peter
    >
    >
    >>
    >> Laurence
    >>
    >>
    >> Gary W Dumbleton wrote:
    >>> I agree with Micah and Nancy,
    >>>
    >>> Gary
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >>> news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> > Hello,
    >>> >
    >>> > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a
    >>> controled > test, its real life.
    >>> >
    >>> > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    >>> >
    >>> > Jeff
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>> > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote
    >>> in > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing
    >>> everything >> one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt.
    >>> Otherwise there will be >> no real real results.
    >>> >>
    >>> >>
    >>> >> -- >> Micah Klesick
    >>> >> www.learnNOF.com
    >>> >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    >>> >> NetObjects Fusion
    >>> >> --
    >>> >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    >>> >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    >>> >> --
    >>> >>
    >>> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message >>
    >>> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> >>> Nancy,
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with >>>
    >>> configuration.
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>> Jeff
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message >>>
    >>> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> Site settings:
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    >>> >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> --N
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >>> >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> >>>>> Hello group,
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some
    >>> of the
    >>> >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple
    >>> of tests >>>>> for
    >>> >>>>> users who are using table.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Test 1.
    >>> >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that
    >>> will >>>>> monitor
    >>> >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed
    >>> by >>>>> typing
    >>> >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text
    >>> then hit >>>>> Alt
    >>> >>>> Tab
    >>> >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself
    >>> into some
    >>> >>>> kind
    >>> >>>>> of recursive action.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Test 2.
    >>> >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then
    >>> undo >>>>> changes
    >>> >>>> so
    >>> >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>> Regards
    >>> >>>>> Jeff
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>>
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>>
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>>
    >>> >>
    >>> >>
    >>> >
    >>> >
    >>>
    >>>


  10. #10
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    <In the case of Jeff's experience, since he first mentioned it, I always
    thought of tags that might have been imported into the project with the
    pasted text.>

    My thoughts exactly. Good call Peter.

    --Nancy

    "Peter Eisenburger" <peter@eisenburger.de> wrote in message
    news:fa4d5f$3hp3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > LBA wrote:
    > > I certainly do agree with Gary and Micah and Nancy, since your
    > > instructions are so vague that they provide no basis for evaluation, but
    > > just for yucks, I figured I'd give it a go. I opened NOF and the
    > > performance monitor and closed all other apps... at which point memory
    > > usage was at 38%... and then I created a table... at which point memory
    > > usage was at 38%... and then I converted the table to a layout region...
    > > at which point memory usage was at 38%. Proof positive... there is no

    bug.
    >
    > This is no proof neither.
    >
    > The case reminds me at the memory leak that was "introduced" some
    > versions ago and from which I don't know whether it has been resolved.
    >
    > In the case of Jeff's experience, since he first mentioned it, I always
    > thought of tags that might have been imported into the project with the
    > pasted text.
    >
    > Peter
    >
    >
    > >
    > > Laurence
    > >
    > >
    > > Gary W Dumbleton wrote:
    > >> I agree with Micah and Nancy,
    > >>
    > >> Gary
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >> news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> > Hello,
    > >> >
    > >> > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a
    > >> controled > test, its real life.
    > >> >
    > >> > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    > >> >
    > >> > Jeff
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in
    > >> > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing
    > >> everything >> one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt.
    > >> Otherwise there will be >> no real real results.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> -- >> Micah Klesick
    > >> >> www.learnNOF.com
    > >> >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > >> >> NetObjects Fusion
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > >> >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > >> >> --
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message >>
    > >> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >>> Nancy,
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with >>>
    > >> configuration.
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Jeff
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message >>>
    > >> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> Site settings:
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    > >> >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> --N
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >> >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >>>>> Hello group,
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of
    > >> the
    > >> >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of
    > >> tests >>>>> for
    > >> >>>>> users who are using table.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Test 1.
    > >> >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that
    > >> will >>>>> monitor
    > >> >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by
    > >> >>>>> typing
    > >> >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then
    > >> hit >>>>> Alt
    > >> >>>> Tab
    > >> >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself
    > >> into some
    > >> >>>> kind
    > >> >>>>> of recursive action.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Test 2.
    > >> >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo
    > >> >>>>> changes
    > >> >>>> so
    > >> >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Regards
    > >> >>>>> Jeff
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>




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