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  1. #11
    Micah Klesick \(www.learnNOF.com\)
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    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Mine said 20% when I started, and said 18% when I finished with the table
    test.
    Jeff, it might be your computer...

    --
    Micah Klesick
    www.learnNOF.com
    Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    NetObjects Fusion
    --
    For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    --

    "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
    news:fa4cno$3hp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >I certainly do agree with Gary and Micah and Nancy, since your instructions
    >are so vague that they provide no basis for evaluation, but just for yucks,
    >I figured I'd give it a go. I opened NOF and the performance monitor and
    >closed all other apps... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and then
    >I created a table... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and then I
    >converted the table to a layout region... at which point memory usage was
    >at 38%. Proof positive... there is no bug.
    >
    > Laurence
    >
    >
    > Gary W Dumbleton wrote:
    >> I agree with Micah and Nancy,
    >>
    >> Gary
    >>
    >>
    >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> > Hello,
    >> >
    >> > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a controled
    >> > test, its real life.
    >> >
    >> > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    >> >
    >> > Jeff
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in
    >> > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing
    >> >> everything one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt. Otherwise
    >> >> there will be no real real results.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> --
    >> >> Micah Klesick
    >> >> www.learnNOF.com
    >> >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    >> >> NetObjects Fusion
    >> >> --
    >> >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    >> >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    >> >> --
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> >> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >>> Nancy,
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with
    >> >>> configuration.
    >> >>>
    >> >>> Jeff
    >> >>>
    >> >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    >> >>> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Site settings:
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    >> >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> --N
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >>>>> Hello group,
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of
    >> >>>>> the
    >> >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of
    >> >>>>> tests for
    >> >>>>> users who are using table.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Test 1.
    >> >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will
    >> >>>>> monitor
    >> >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by
    >> >>>>> typing
    >> >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit
    >> >>>>> Alt
    >> >>>> Tab
    >> >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into
    >> >>>>> some
    >> >>>> kind
    >> >>>>> of recursive action.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Test 2.
    >> >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo
    >> >>>>> changes
    >> >>>> so
    >> >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>> Regards
    >> >>>>> Jeff
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >

    >>
    >>
    >>




  2. #12
    Trimdoner
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Here's templates of an old site - made in 7.5 - which displays slow text
    editing (for me anyway)
    See if it does it for anyone else. The textspeed.zip is the original 7.5
    site, textspeed10 is the the same site from template into 10, then exported
    again.

    As I've said before, I don't have any speed problems in 10 - this is just a
    minor quirk that appears now and again.

    Ken
    "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in message
    news:fa4fau$2re2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Mine said 20% when I started, and said 18% when I finished with the table
    > test.
    > Jeff, it might be your computer...
    >
    > --
    > Micah Klesick
    > www.learnNOF.com
    > Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > NetObjects Fusion
    > --
    > For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > --
    >
    > "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
    > news:fa4cno$3hp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >I certainly do agree with Gary and Micah and Nancy, since your

    instructions
    > >are so vague that they provide no basis for evaluation, but just for

    yucks,
    > >I figured I'd give it a go. I opened NOF and the performance monitor and
    > >closed all other apps... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and

    then
    > >I created a table... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and then I
    > >converted the table to a layout region... at which point memory usage was
    > >at 38%. Proof positive... there is no bug.
    > >
    > > Laurence
    > >
    > >
    > > Gary W Dumbleton wrote:
    > >> I agree with Micah and Nancy,
    > >>
    > >> Gary
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >> news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> > Hello,
    > >> >
    > >> > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a

    controled
    > >> > test, its real life.
    > >> >
    > >> > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    > >> >
    > >> > Jeff
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in


    > >> > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing
    > >> >> everything one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt. Otherwise
    > >> >> there will be no real real results.
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> Micah Klesick
    > >> >> www.learnNOF.com
    > >> >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > >> >> NetObjects Fusion
    > >> >> --
    > >> >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > >> >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > >> >> --
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >>> Nancy,
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with
    > >> >>> configuration.
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> Jeff
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > >> >>> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> Site settings:
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    > >> >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> --N
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >> >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >>>>> Hello group,
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of
    > >> >>>>> the
    > >> >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of
    > >> >>>>> tests for
    > >> >>>>> users who are using table.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Test 1.
    > >> >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that

    will
    > >> >>>>> monitor
    > >> >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by
    > >> >>>>> typing
    > >> >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then

    hit
    > >> >>>>> Alt
    > >> >>>> Tab
    > >> >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into
    > >> >>>>> some
    > >> >>>> kind
    > >> >>>>> of recursive action.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Test 2.
    > >> >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo
    > >> >>>>> changes
    > >> >>>> so
    > >> >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>> Regards
    > >> >>>>> Jeff
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>>
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>

    >
    >








  3. #13
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    System: Celeron (R) CPU 1.79 GHz, 1GB Ram, 114GB HD/ 67.6GB Free disk space,
    WinXP Home Ed, SP1

    External Drives:
    USB 51GB External HD.
    CD, DVD and floppy trays - empty.

    Applications running: DSL, Outlook Express, Photoshop 6.0 with 1, 21Mb open
    graphic file, Performance Monitor, NOF10 with update #3.

    NOF Site Settings: Dynamic Layout for IE (Netscape off), CSS, Straight
    Quotes. Site Protection OFF, Versioning OFF. Theme: Office XP. Default
    MasterBorder: top, left, bottom.

    Test: Insert 2 by 2 table. Type text in each of 4 cells - no delays.
    Convert table to layout. Convert layout to table with individual cells.
    Local Publish Current Page. Launches IE6. Page displays in browser.

    Performance Monitor: Avg 16%, Maximum 70%.

    Sorry Jeff. No devastating performance issues here and I need a new
    computer.

    --Nancy





    "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Hello group,
    >
    > I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    > NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests for
    > users who are using table.
    >
    > Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >
    > (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >
    > Test 1.
    > Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will monitor
    > just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by typing
    > 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >
    > So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit Alt

    Tab
    > to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >
    > For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >
    > I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some

    kind
    > of recursive action.
    >
    > Report back on your findings.
    >
    >
    > Test 2.
    > Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo changes

    so
    > you get back to the original table.
    >
    > When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >
    > Report back on your findings.
    >
    > Regards
    > Jeff
    >
    >




  4. #14
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Ken,
    In the future, please warn us before you attach big template files.
    Thanks,
    -Nancy


    "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:fa4pq7$4td1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Here's templates of an old site - made in 7.5 - which displays slow text
    > editing (for me anyway)
    > See if it does it for anyone else. The textspeed.zip is the original 7.5
    > site, textspeed10 is the the same site from template into 10, then

    exported
    > again.
    >
    > As I've said before, I don't have any speed problems in 10 - this is just

    a
    > minor quirk that appears now and again.
    >
    > Ken
    > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in

    message
    > news:fa4fau$2re2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > Mine said 20% when I started, and said 18% when I finished with the

    table
    > > test.
    > > Jeff, it might be your computer...
    > >
    > > --
    > > Micah Klesick
    > > www.learnNOF.com
    > > Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > > NetObjects Fusion
    > > --
    > > For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > > www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > > --
    > >
    > > "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
    > > news:fa4cno$3hp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > >I certainly do agree with Gary and Micah and Nancy, since your

    > instructions
    > > >are so vague that they provide no basis for evaluation, but just for

    > yucks,
    > > >I figured I'd give it a go. I opened NOF and the performance monitor

    and
    > > >closed all other apps... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and

    > then
    > > >I created a table... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and then

    I
    > > >converted the table to a layout region... at which point memory usage

    was
    > > >at 38%. Proof positive... there is no bug.
    > > >
    > > > Laurence
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Gary W Dumbleton wrote:
    > > >> I agree with Micah and Nancy,
    > > >>
    > > >> Gary
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > > >> news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > >> > Hello,
    > > >> >
    > > >> > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a

    > controled
    > > >> > test, its real life.
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Jeff
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >> > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote

    in
    >
    > > >> > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > >> >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing
    > > >> >> everything one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt.

    Otherwise
    > > >> >> there will be no real real results.
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> --
    > > >> >> Micah Klesick
    > > >> >> www.learnNOF.com
    > > >> >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > > >> >> NetObjects Fusion
    > > >> >> --
    > > >> >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > > >> >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > > >> >> --
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > > >> >> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > >> >>> Nancy,
    > > >> >>>
    > > >> >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with
    > > >> >>> configuration.
    > > >> >>>
    > > >> >>> Jeff
    > > >> >>>
    > > >> >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > > >> >>> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > >> >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> Site settings:
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    > > >> >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> --N
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > > >> >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > >> >>>>> Hello group,
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some

    of
    > > >> >>>>> the
    > > >> >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple

    of
    > > >> >>>>> tests for
    > > >> >>>>> users who are using table.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> Test 1.
    > > >> >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that

    > will
    > > >> >>>>> monitor
    > > >> >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed

    by
    > > >> >>>>> typing
    > > >> >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then

    > hit
    > > >> >>>>> Alt
    > > >> >>>> Tab
    > > >> >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are

    performing.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself

    into
    > > >> >>>>> some
    > > >> >>>> kind
    > > >> >>>>> of recursive action.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> Test 2.
    > > >> >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then

    undo
    > > >> >>>>> changes
    > > >> >>>> so
    > > >> >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>> Regards
    > > >> >>>>> Jeff
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>>
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>>
    > > >> >>>
    > > >> >>>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >>
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >>
    > > >>
    > > >>

    > >
    > >

    >
    >
    >




  5. #15
    Micah Klesick \(www.learnNOF.com\)
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Well, I know one thing, this post sure was slow. Please, do not put 1800KB
    on a single post anymore. :-)

    --
    Micah Klesick
    www.learnNOF.com
    Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    NetObjects Fusion
    --
    For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    --

    "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:fa4pq7$4td1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Here's templates of an old site - made in 7.5 - which displays slow text
    > editing (for me anyway)
    > See if it does it for anyone else. The textspeed.zip is the original 7.5
    > site, textspeed10 is the the same site from template into 10, then
    > exported
    > again.
    >
    > As I've said before, I don't have any speed problems in 10 - this is just
    > a
    > minor quirk that appears now and again.
    >
    > Ken
    > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in
    > message
    > news:fa4fau$2re2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Mine said 20% when I started, and said 18% when I finished with the table
    >> test.
    >> Jeff, it might be your computer...
    >>
    >> --
    >> Micah Klesick
    >> www.learnNOF.com
    >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    >> NetObjects Fusion
    >> --
    >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    >> --
    >>
    >> "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
    >> news:fa4cno$3hp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >I certainly do agree with Gary and Micah and Nancy, since your

    > instructions
    >> >are so vague that they provide no basis for evaluation, but just for

    > yucks,
    >> >I figured I'd give it a go. I opened NOF and the performance monitor
    >> >and
    >> >closed all other apps... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and

    > then
    >> >I created a table... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and then
    >> >I
    >> >converted the table to a layout region... at which point memory usage
    >> >was
    >> >at 38%. Proof positive... there is no bug.
    >> >
    >> > Laurence
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > Gary W Dumbleton wrote:
    >> >> I agree with Micah and Nancy,
    >> >>
    >> >> Gary
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> >> news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >> > Hello,
    >> >> >
    >> >> > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a

    > controled
    >> >> > test, its real life.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Jeff
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in

    >
    >> >> > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >> >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing
    >> >> >> everything one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt.
    >> >> >> Otherwise
    >> >> >> there will be no real real results.
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> Micah Klesick
    >> >> >> www.learnNOF.com
    >> >> >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    >> >> >> NetObjects Fusion
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    >> >> >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    >> >> >> --
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> >> >> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >> >>> Nancy,
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with
    >> >> >>> configuration.
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>> Jeff
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    >> >> >>> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >> >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> Site settings:
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    >> >> >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> --N
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    >> >> >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> >> >>>>> Hello group,
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of
    >> >> >>>>> the
    >> >> >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of
    >> >> >>>>> tests for
    >> >> >>>>> users who are using table.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> Test 1.
    >> >> >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that

    > will
    >> >> >>>>> monitor
    >> >> >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by
    >> >> >>>>> typing
    >> >> >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then

    > hit
    >> >> >>>>> Alt
    >> >> >>>> Tab
    >> >> >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself
    >> >> >>>>> into
    >> >> >>>>> some
    >> >> >>>> kind
    >> >> >>>>> of recursive action.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> Test 2.
    >> >> >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo
    >> >> >>>>> changes
    >> >> >>>> so
    >> >> >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>> Regards
    >> >> >>>>> Jeff
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>>
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>>
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>

    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    >




  6. #16
    Jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Hi Nacy,

    I think I have done a bad job of conveying what I was after. I only wanted
    people who have the slow formatting issue to run the 2 tests. The reason I
    suggest not having setup requirement is that this is to be considered a beta
    test for such users.

    i.e. You would not stipulate to beta testers how they were to set up
    software settings because you are testing for all bugs within the described
    area.

    After they find bugs you would then ask them for information so you could
    try and replicate the issue/bug.

    P.S. Don't be sorry for not having devastating performance:-)

    Regards
    Jeff


    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    news:fa4spd$4883@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > System: Celeron (R) CPU 1.79 GHz, 1GB Ram, 114GB HD/ 67.6GB Free disk
    > space,
    > WinXP Home Ed, SP1
    >
    > External Drives:
    > USB 51GB External HD.
    > CD, DVD and floppy trays - empty.
    >
    > Applications running: DSL, Outlook Express, Photoshop 6.0 with 1, 21Mb
    > open
    > graphic file, Performance Monitor, NOF10 with update #3.
    >
    > NOF Site Settings: Dynamic Layout for IE (Netscape off), CSS, Straight
    > Quotes. Site Protection OFF, Versioning OFF. Theme: Office XP. Default
    > MasterBorder: top, left, bottom.
    >
    > Test: Insert 2 by 2 table. Type text in each of 4 cells - no delays.
    > Convert table to layout. Convert layout to table with individual cells.
    > Local Publish Current Page. Launches IE6. Page displays in browser.
    >
    > Performance Monitor: Avg 16%, Maximum 70%.
    >
    > Sorry Jeff. No devastating performance issues here and I need a new
    > computer.
    >
    > --Nancy
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Hello group,
    >>
    >> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    >> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests
    >> for
    >> users who are using table.
    >>
    >> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    >>
    >> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    >>
    >> Test 1.
    >> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will
    >> monitor
    >> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by typing
    >> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    >>
    >> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit Alt

    > Tab
    >> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    >>
    >> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    >>
    >> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some

    > kind
    >> of recursive action.
    >>
    >> Report back on your findings.
    >>
    >>
    >> Test 2.
    >> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo changes

    > so
    >> you get back to the original table.
    >>
    >> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    >>
    >> Report back on your findings.
    >>
    >> Regards
    >> Jeff
    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  7. #17
    Trimdoner
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Sorry to all if less than 2mb of attachments slowed your system.
    Maybe you need a new service provider :-)

    Only kidding, if I want to do that again I'll just add a download link. I'm
    sure if it causes problems Website Pro's will remove it.
    It's a bit strange though that the same same templates were offered to
    NetObjects and no one ever took up the offer.
    There IS as bug there, and they know it.

    Ken

    "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in message
    news:fa52ou$4td7@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Well, I know one thing, this post sure was slow. Please, do not put

    1800KB
    > on a single post anymore. :-)
    >
    > --
    > Micah Klesick
    > www.learnNOF.com
    > Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > NetObjects Fusion
    > --
    > For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > --
    >
    > "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:fa4pq7$4td1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > Here's templates of an old site - made in 7.5 - which displays slow text
    > > editing (for me anyway)
    > > See if it does it for anyone else. The textspeed.zip is the original 7.5
    > > site, textspeed10 is the the same site from template into 10, then
    > > exported
    > > again.
    > >
    > > As I've said before, I don't have any speed problems in 10 - this is

    just
    > > a
    > > minor quirk that appears now and again.
    > >
    > > Ken
    > > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in
    > > message
    > > news:fa4fau$2re2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> Mine said 20% when I started, and said 18% when I finished with the

    table
    > >> test.
    > >> Jeff, it might be your computer...
    > >>
    > >> --
    > >> Micah Klesick
    > >> www.learnNOF.com
    > >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > >> NetObjects Fusion
    > >> --
    > >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > >> --
    > >>
    > >> "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
    > >> news:fa4cno$3hp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >I certainly do agree with Gary and Micah and Nancy, since your

    > > instructions
    > >> >are so vague that they provide no basis for evaluation, but just for

    > > yucks,
    > >> >I figured I'd give it a go. I opened NOF and the performance monitor
    > >> >and
    > >> >closed all other apps... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and

    > > then
    > >> >I created a table... at which point memory usage was at 38%... and

    then
    > >> >I
    > >> >converted the table to a layout region... at which point memory usage
    > >> >was
    > >> >at 38%. Proof positive... there is no bug.
    > >> >
    > >> > Laurence
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > Gary W Dumbleton wrote:
    > >> >> I agree with Micah and Nancy,
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Gary
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >> >> news:fa3gkg$sgi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >> > Hello,
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > I am trying to get the net as wide as possable. This is not a

    > > controled
    > >> >> > test, its real life.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Start putting constrants on it and you are not get real results.
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > Jeff
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote

    in
    > >
    > >> >> > message news:fa3ae0$sgi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >> >> Not much of a constant test that way. I would recommend doing
    > >> >> >> everything one way, as Nancy said, then how ever they nt.
    > >> >> >> Otherwise
    > >> >> >> there will be no real real results.
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> --
    > >> >> >> Micah Klesick
    > >> >> >> www.learnNOF.com
    > >> >> >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > >> >> >> NetObjects Fusion
    > >> >> >> --
    > >> >> >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > >> >> >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > >> >> >> --
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >> >> >> news:fa2u7q$pph8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >> >>> Nancy,
    > >> >> >>>
    > >> >> >>> Let people go with what they have and they report back with
    > >> >> >>> configuration.
    > >> >> >>>
    > >> >> >>> Jeff
    > >> >> >>>
    > >> >> >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > >> >> >>> news:fa2sfv$ql63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >> >>>> Questions so we are all on same page:
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> Site settings:
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> 1) Dynamic layout?
    > >> >> >>>> ... with or w/o Netscape (there's a difference)___
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> 2) Fixed page layout? ___
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> 3) HTML output? _____
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> 4) CSS output? ____
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> 5) With default MasterBorders? ____
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> 6) With ZeroMargins borders? ____
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> Please respond to these 6 questions before we proceed.
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> --N
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > >> >> >>>> news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> >> >>>>> Hello group,
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some

    of
    > >> >> >>>>> the
    > >> >> >>>>> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple

    of
    > >> >> >>>>> tests for
    > >> >> >>>>> users who are using table.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> Test 1.
    > >> >> >>>>> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that

    > > will
    > >> >> >>>>> monitor
    > >> >> >>>>> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed

    by
    > >> >> >>>>> typing
    > >> >> >>>>> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text

    then
    > > hit
    > >> >> >>>>> Alt
    > >> >> >>>> Tab
    > >> >> >>>>> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are

    performing.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself
    > >> >> >>>>> into
    > >> >> >>>>> some
    > >> >> >>>> kind
    > >> >> >>>>> of recursive action.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> Test 2.
    > >> >> >>>>> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then

    undo
    > >> >> >>>>> changes
    > >> >> >>>> so
    > >> >> >>>>> you get back to the original table.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> Report back on your findings.
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>> Regards
    > >> >> >>>>> Jeff
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>>
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>>
    > >> >> >>>
    > >> >> >>>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >>
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > >
    > >

    >
    >




  8. #18
    Trimdoner
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    Here's a quick screen grab from Task Manager while I added then deleted some
    text from the template files mentioned earlier.
    100% cpu usuage.....

    It's only 3kb


    "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    news:fa55ut$5ht2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Hi Nacy,
    >
    > I think I have done a bad job of conveying what I was after. I only wanted
    > people who have the slow formatting issue to run the 2 tests. The reason I
    > suggest not having setup requirement is that this is to be considered a

    beta
    > test for such users.
    >
    > i.e. You would not stipulate to beta testers how they were to set up
    > software settings because you are testing for all bugs within the

    described
    > area.
    >
    > After they find bugs you would then ask them for information so you could
    > try and replicate the issue/bug.
    >
    > P.S. Don't be sorry for not having devastating performance:-)
    >
    > Regards
    > Jeff
    >
    >
    > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
    > news:fa4spd$4883@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > System: Celeron (R) CPU 1.79 GHz, 1GB Ram, 114GB HD/ 67.6GB Free disk
    > > space,
    > > WinXP Home Ed, SP1
    > >
    > > External Drives:
    > > USB 51GB External HD.
    > > CD, DVD and floppy trays - empty.
    > >
    > > Applications running: DSL, Outlook Express, Photoshop 6.0 with 1, 21Mb
    > > open
    > > graphic file, Performance Monitor, NOF10 with update #3.
    > >
    > > NOF Site Settings: Dynamic Layout for IE (Netscape off), CSS, Straight
    > > Quotes. Site Protection OFF, Versioning OFF. Theme: Office XP. Default
    > > MasterBorder: top, left, bottom.
    > >
    > > Test: Insert 2 by 2 table. Type text in each of 4 cells - no delays.
    > > Convert table to layout. Convert layout to table with individual cells.
    > > Local Publish Current Page. Launches IE6. Page displays in browser.
    > >
    > > Performance Monitor: Avg 16%, Maximum 70%.
    > >
    > > Sorry Jeff. No devastating performance issues here and I need a new
    > > computer.
    > >
    > > --Nancy
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
    > > news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> Hello group,
    > >>
    > >> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
    > >> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests
    > >> for
    > >> users who are using table.
    > >>
    > >> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
    > >>
    > >> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
    > >>
    > >> Test 1.
    > >> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will
    > >> monitor
    > >> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by typing
    > >> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
    > >>
    > >> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit Alt

    > > Tab
    > >> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
    > >>
    > >> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
    > >>
    > >> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some

    > > kind
    > >> of recursive action.
    > >>
    > >> Report back on your findings.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Test 2.
    > >> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo

    changes
    > > so
    > >> you get back to the original table.
    > >>
    > >> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
    > >>
    > >> Report back on your findings.
    > >>
    > >> Regards
    > >> Jeff
    > >>
    > >>

    > >
    > >

    >
    >






  9. #19
    Garret Mott
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    > Sorry to all if less than 2mb of attachments slowed your system.
    > Maybe you need a new service provider :-)
    >


    OK - suppose you had been away from your computer for 4 days & you have 100
    emails & 100 NG messages to download.

    Now - suppose you didn't really care about the thread - but you were delayed
    by someone's huge post? I bet you'd be as ticked off as you sound.

    NG's are text messages - probably averaging <1K. It's OK to attach a <100k
    or so pic to explain something (& I think I'm being generous with 100!) -
    but 2MB is simply too much. There are folks on 384 DSL (because they can't
    get anything faster where they live - should they move?) & yes, dialup. 35%
    of my state can only get dialup or satellite. A 2MB attachment *is* a PITA
    to a satellite user & I even won't go into how a dialup user would feel.

    So - a simple apology (without the wisecrack) probably would've been more
    appropriate. This is a really nice group of very helpful people who help
    for free. Don't impose on them!

    My (unasked for) <2 cents worth.

    Garret Mott

    Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com



  10. #20
    Trimdoner
    Guest

    Default Re: NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

    >>This is a really nice group of very helpful people who help
    >>for free. Don't impose on them!


    That's exactly what I'm doing here - trying to help solve a problem that
    Website Pro's would rather ignore.
    My apology was sincere, but on the other hand it's my time that is at stake
    here as well. I took the time and trouble to root out an old website which I
    remembered caused the same problem being discussed.

    Maybe I did overlook the fact that <2mb is a slow download for some people
    (we haven't exactly been up to speed for long in the UK) but I would have
    thought that the majority of people browsing this newsgroup would be website
    builders, with at least a reasonable connection speed.

    And more importantly, did you download and check the template?
    As I mentioned, I do not have a problem with NOF 7.5, 9 or 10 regards speed.
    The text issue is another matter which appears sporadically for no reason I
    can see. I have several sites built in NOF which do not display this
    problem, yet it crops up occasionally. Is it caused by a particular
    combination of hardware/software and NOF page peculiarities? I don't know,
    as I'm not a software programmer. Certainly the problem was exacerbated in
    10 for some users for whatever reason - hence the frequent complaints!

    Ken

    "Garret Mott" <Garret_at_AutoMateSoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
    news:fa5cgb$64i3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > Sorry to all if less than 2mb of attachments slowed your system.
    > > Maybe you need a new service provider :-)
    > >

    >
    > OK - suppose you had been away from your computer for 4 days & you have

    100
    > emails & 100 NG messages to download.
    >
    > Now - suppose you didn't really care about the thread - but you were

    delayed
    > by someone's huge post? I bet you'd be as ticked off as you sound.
    >
    > NG's are text messages - probably averaging <1K. It's OK to attach a

    <100k
    > or so pic to explain something (& I think I'm being generous with 100!) -
    > but 2MB is simply too much. There are folks on 384 DSL (because they

    can't
    > get anything faster where they live - should they move?) & yes, dialup.

    35%
    > of my state can only get dialup or satellite. A 2MB attachment *is* a

    PITA
    > to a satellite user & I even won't go into how a dialup user would feel.
    >
    > So - a simple apology (without the wisecrack) probably would've been more
    > appropriate. This is a really nice group of very helpful people who help
    > for free. Don't impose on them!
    >
    > My (unasked for) <2 cents worth.
    >
    > Garret Mott
    >
    > Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    > Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >
    >




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