NetObjects Seepd Issues (Please run test and report back)

[Jeff]

Hi,

Your results are the same as mine. This is looking very much like NetObjects
is getting it self into a recursive loop. How can we ensure that management
gets this information?

Regards
Jeff



"Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fa5bou$6r61@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Here's a quick screen grab from Task Manager while I added then deleted
> some
> text from the template files mentioned earlier.
> 100% cpu usuage.....
>
> It's only 3kb
>
>
> "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
> news:fa55ut$5ht2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> Hi Nacy,
>>
>> I think I have done a bad job of conveying what I was after. I only
>> wanted
>> people who have the slow formatting issue to run the 2 tests. The reason
>> I
>> suggest not having setup requirement is that this is to be considered a
> beta
>> test for such users.
>>
>> i.e. You would not stipulate to beta testers how they were to set up
>> software settings because you are testing for all bugs within the
> described
>> area.
>>
>> After they find bugs you would then ask them for information so you could
>> try and replicate the issue/bug.
>>
>> P.S. Don't be sorry for not having devastating performance:-)
>>
>> Regards
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:fa4spd$4883@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> > System: Celeron (R) CPU 1.79 GHz, 1GB Ram, 114GB HD/ 67.6GB Free disk
>> > space,
>> > WinXP Home Ed, SP1
>> >
>> > External Drives:
>> > USB 51GB External HD.
>> > CD, DVD and floppy trays - empty.
>> >
>> > Applications running: DSL, Outlook Express, Photoshop 6.0 with 1, 21Mb
>> > open
>> > graphic file, Performance Monitor, NOF10 with update #3.
>> >
>> > NOF Site Settings: Dynamic Layout for IE (Netscape off), CSS, Straight
>> > Quotes. Site Protection OFF, Versioning OFF. Theme: Office XP. Default
>> > MasterBorder: top, left, bottom.
>> >
>> > Test: Insert 2 by 2 table. Type text in each of 4 cells - no delays.
>> > Convert table to layout. Convert layout to table with individual
>> > cells.
>> > Local Publish Current Page. Launches IE6. Page displays in browser.
>> >
>> > Performance Monitor: Avg 16%, Maximum 70%.
>> >
>> > Sorry Jeff. No devastating performance issues here and I need a new
>> > computer.
>> >
>> > --Nancy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Jeff" <affirm@affirmware.com.au> wrote in message
>> > news:fa2nes$ql62@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> >> Hello group,
>> >>
>> >> I am creating a new thread here to see if we can isolate some of the
>> >> NetObject's slow running issues. I have come up with a couple of tests
>> >> for
>> >> users who are using table.
>> >>
>> >> Hopefully will help shed some light on the issue.
>> >>
>> >> (NOTE: make sure you create a backup before running test 2)
>> >>
>> >> Test 1.
>> >> Windows XP includes a utility called Performance Monitor that will
>> >> monitor
>> >> just about anything your workstation does. It can be accessed by
>> >> typing
>> >> 'perfmon' from the Run command.
>> >>
>> >> So, in the table hit the enter about 15 time and type text then hit
>> >> Alt
>> > Tab
>> >> to show the 'perfmon' utility and see how things are performing.
>> >>
>> >> For me it jumps up to between 85% to 100% on memory use.
>> >>
>> >> I think the code inside the table function in getting itself into some
>> > kind
>> >> of recursive action.
>> >>
>> >> Report back on your findings.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Test 2.
>> >> Convert table to layout and see if the page speeds up. Then undo
> changes
>> > so
>> >> you get back to the original table.
>> >>
>> >> When converted to Layout my page speeds up normal levels.
>> >>
>> >> Report back on your findings.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Jeff
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Garret Mott]

[Top Post]

Gotcha -

I didn't download it 'cause I'm still using 9. I browse this NG because
it's so much more active than the 9 group.

Speed: I travel a lot & sometimes my only option away from home is
dialup.... I bet others are in the same boat occasionally.

Best -

Garret Mott

Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com

"Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:fa5evv$6r63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>This is a really nice group of very helpful people who help
>>>for free. Don't impose on them!
>
> That's exactly what I'm doing here - trying to help solve a problem that
> Website Pro's would rather ignore.
> My apology was sincere, but on the other hand it's my time that is at
> stake
> here as well. I took the time and trouble to root out an old website which
> I
> remembered caused the same problem being discussed.
>
> Maybe I did overlook the fact that <2mb is a slow download for some people
> (we haven't exactly been up to speed for long in the UK) but I would have
> thought that the majority of people browsing this newsgroup would be
> website
> builders, with at least a reasonable connection speed.
>
> And more importantly, did you download and check the template?
> As I mentioned, I do not have a problem with NOF 7.5, 9 or 10 regards
> speed.
> The text issue is another matter which appears sporadically for no reason
> I
> can see. I have several sites built in NOF which do not display this
> problem, yet it crops up occasionally. Is it caused by a particular
> combination of hardware/software and NOF page peculiarities? I don't know,
> as I'm not a software programmer. Certainly the problem was exacerbated in
> 10 for some users for whatever reason - hence the frequent complaints!
>
> Ken
>
> "Garret Mott" <Garret_at_AutoMateSoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
> news:fa5cgb$64i3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> > Sorry to all if less than 2mb of attachments slowed your system.
>> > Maybe you need a new service provider :-)
>> >
>>
>> OK - suppose you had been away from your computer for 4 days & you have
> 100
>> emails & 100 NG messages to download.
>>
>> Now - suppose you didn't really care about the thread - but you were
> delayed
>> by someone's huge post? I bet you'd be as ticked off as you sound.
>>
>> NG's are text messages - probably averaging <1K. It's OK to attach a
> <100k
>> or so pic to explain something (& I think I'm being generous with 100!) -
>> but 2MB is simply too much. There are folks on 384 DSL (because they
> can't
>> get anything faster where they live - should they move?) & yes, dialup.
> 35%
>> of my state can only get dialup or satellite. A 2MB attachment *is* a
> PITA
>> to a satellite user & I even won't go into how a dialup user would feel.
>>
>> So - a simple apology (without the wisecrack) probably would've been more
>> appropriate. This is a really nice group of very helpful people who help
>> for free. Don't impose on them!
>>
>> My (unasked for) <2 cents worth.
>>
>> Garret Mott
>>
>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
>>
>>
>
>

[Mike C]

Yeh I travel a lot and have problems now and again with attachments, mainly
in the old iron curtain countries.

Mike C

"Garret Mott" <Garret_at_AutoMateSoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
news:fa5iio$6r64@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> [Top Post]
>
> Gotcha -
>
> I didn't download it 'cause I'm still using 9. I browse this NG because
> it's so much more active than the 9 group.
>
> Speed: I travel a lot & sometimes my only option away from home is
> dialup.... I bet others are in the same boat occasionally.
>
> Best -
>
> Garret Mott
>
> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
>
> "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:fa5evv$6r63@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>>This is a really nice group of very helpful people who help
>>>>for free. Don't impose on them!
>>
>> That's exactly what I'm doing here - trying to help solve a problem that
>> Website Pro's would rather ignore.
>> My apology was sincere, but on the other hand it's my time that is at
>> stake
>> here as well. I took the time and trouble to root out an old website
>> which I
>> remembered caused the same problem being discussed.
>>
>> Maybe I did overlook the fact that <2mb is a slow download for some
>> people
>> (we haven't exactly been up to speed for long in the UK) but I would have
>> thought that the majority of people browsing this newsgroup would be
>> website
>> builders, with at least a reasonable connection speed.
>>
>> And more importantly, did you download and check the template?
>> As I mentioned, I do not have a problem with NOF 7.5, 9 or 10 regards
>> speed.
>> The text issue is another matter which appears sporadically for no reason
>> I
>> can see. I have several sites built in NOF which do not display this
>> problem, yet it crops up occasionally. Is it caused by a particular
>> combination of hardware/software and NOF page peculiarities? I don't
>> know,
>> as I'm not a software programmer. Certainly the problem was exacerbated
>> in
>> 10 for some users for whatever reason - hence the frequent complaints!
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> "Garret Mott" <Garret_at_AutoMateSoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
>> news:fa5cgb$64i3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>> > Sorry to all if less than 2mb of attachments slowed your system.
>>> > Maybe you need a new service provider :-)
>>> >
>>>
>>> OK - suppose you had been away from your computer for 4 days & you have
>> 100
>>> emails & 100 NG messages to download.
>>>
>>> Now - suppose you didn't really care about the thread - but you were
>> delayed
>>> by someone's huge post? I bet you'd be as ticked off as you sound.
>>>
>>> NG's are text messages - probably averaging <1K. It's OK to attach a
>> <100k
>>> or so pic to explain something (& I think I'm being generous with
>>> 100!) -
>>> but 2MB is simply too much. There are folks on 384 DSL (because they
>> can't
>>> get anything faster where they live - should they move?) & yes, dialup.
>> 35%
>>> of my state can only get dialup or satellite. A 2MB attachment *is* a
>> PITA
>>> to a satellite user & I even won't go into how a dialup user would feel.
>>>
>>> So - a simple apology (without the wisecrack) probably would've been
>>> more
>>> appropriate. This is a really nice group of very helpful people who
>>> help
>>> for free. Don't impose on them!
>>>
>>> My (unasked for) <2 cents worth.
>>>
>>> Garret Mott
>>>
>>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
>>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[Franklyn]

Hello Jeff,

In reading both of your posts I never did see exaclty which version of NoF
10 your running. I had the very same issues that your writing about and it
took a long time for them to sort out what the problem was. I hosted many
videos of the slow performance and many suggested it was the number of fonts
installed etc.. Well, they finally corrected this issue in AU3.

So, if you would be kind enough to post your build number.. It should be the
same as mine with which my slow down issues are gone. If you have this build
and your still seeing the slowness entering text in to a text area, table
cell etc. then there may be some other issue not fixed yet... I'll have to
go back and look to see what your system specs were.

I'm running a 3.5mHz HT processor with 2 gig ram. PC5400. and had the slow
downs until the latest patch from NoF.

Franklyn

[Jeff]

Hi Franklyn,

> In reading both of your posts I never did see exaclty which version of NoF
> 10 your running.

Update #3

> I had the very same issues that your writing about and it took a long time
> for them to sort out what the problem was. I hosted many videos of the
> slow performance and many suggested it was the number of fonts installed
> etc.. Well, they finally corrected this issue in AU3.

I think the issue is more to do with memory using 100% to do simple
formating.

I think I would have completly run out of ideas before suggesting its an
issue with fonts.


> So, if you would be kind enough to post your build number.. It should be
> the same as mine with which my slow down issues are gone. If you have this
> build and your still seeing the slowness entering text in to a text area,
> table cell etc. then there may be some other issue not fixed yet... I'll
> have to go back and look to see what your system specs were.

Check out eMail from Timdona, same result I get. 100% memory use.

> I'm running a 3.5mHz HT processor with 2 gig ram. PC5400. and had the slow
> downs until the latest patch from NoF.

Thatks for feedback, but I have latest update.

Still using Windows XP.

Planning to get Vista in next couple of weeks.

How do we go about letting management know about the Memory issue?

Regards
Jeff



> Franklyn
>
>
>

[John]

> How do we go about letting management know about the Memory issue?

http://netobjects.com/en/nof/10/00/o...bugReport.html

--
John

[Jeff]

Hi John,

Thanks you very much.

Have a great day.

Regards
Jeff


"John" <john@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fah14m$j251@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> How do we go about letting management know about the Memory issue?
>
> http://netobjects.com/en/nof/10/00/o...bugReport.html
>
> --
> John
>