V11?

[turtle]

..
In the "olden days" there would be hundreds of such posts.

I guess things have slowed down a bit lately

Mike (turtle)


Chuck «BeyondFusion» said:

| OK... the only questions were *who* was going to say that and how
| long it would take.
|
| (-;
|
|
| "Mike Coombes" <mike@ktf-design.com> wrote in message
| news:fcuths$hp8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
|| Nancy O wrote:
||| If it's ready for release by then...
|||
|| Since when has being ready been an obstacle?

[Dj]

Still generates a smile though eh!


"turtle" <gotFusion.com> wrote in message
news:A921.1190338806.142@gfwebforum.com...
> .
> In the "olden days" there would be hundreds of such posts.
>
> I guess things have slowed down a bit lately
>
> Mike (turtle)
>
>
> Chuck «BeyondFusion» said:
>
> | OK... the only questions were *who* was going to say that and how
> | long it would take.
> |
> | (-;
> |
> |
> | "Mike Coombes" <mike@ktf-design.com> wrote in message
> | news:fcuths$hp8@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
> || Nancy O wrote:
> ||| If it's ready for release by then...
> |||
> || Since when has being ready been an obstacle?
>

[Keith]

I cant keep buying a new version. The life time of each version is so short
compared to other software that it is more like a regular payment than a one
of purchase. What makes it worse is that shortly after new versions are
released the previous one is available free on a magazine!

[Garret Mott]

>I cant keep buying a new version. The life time of each version is so short
>compared to other software that it is more like a regular payment than a
>one of purchase. What makes it worse is that shortly after new versions are
>released the previous one is available free on a magazine!
I hear that (which is why I'm still on 9). I also agree on the free version
in a magazine. Seem like maybe 2 versions back for a free one would be
fairer to the users that pay for the latest.

I do custom software with a development environment called Visual DataFlex
(at least it's my main tool). They introduce a .0 version roughly every
spring & a .1 version roughly each fall. The full package costs $750US, but
they sell an annual subscription for $250US - which guarantees that you'll
stay current.

Maybe NOF could/should look at this model? With it's selling price, the
annual fee could be something like $50US - which seems affordable.

Thoughts?

Garret Mott

Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com

[robert_b]

I think that is a good idea...but, IMHO v10 was so bad I was never
comfortable using it. I hate to YELL FIRE, but I think NOF's days/years are
numbered....third party developers no longer target the product as their
efforts will yield low sales respectively based on user volume. Also, with
Microsoft's committment to an alter ego of Dreamweaver, the cost of buying
marketing share to deliver a comprehsensive beginner/pro platform will be
reduced to those two models. As a pro photog I eventually had to surrender
that Nikon would not keep up with the technology demand and Canon has. I
loved the Nikon bodies but ultimately had to switch. My business would not
wait any longer. The same has occured for me with NOF. After 10 years I
hate to surrender the relationship but after v10 the writing on the wall was
clear.


> Maybe NOF could/should look at this model? With it's selling price, the
> annual fee could be something like $50US - which seems affordable.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Garret Mott
>
> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
>
>

[turtle]

Garret Mott said:

| I do custom software with a development environment called Visual
| DataFlex (at least it's my main tool).


I started using DataFlex when it was only available on Unix and MPM/CCPM (still have my 8" version 2.1b CCPM install discs around here somewhere). I doubt that it is anywhere close to what it was 20 years ago :-o

Do they still use the runtime engine for the end user to run the coding?

Mike

[Mike Coombes]

V11 is going to have to deliver something special to make me buy. HTML
editing is an essential they've ignored for far too long, and I'm sure
it'll be missing from 11. There's lots I like about it, but 10 was for
me mostly a waste of money. Instead of adding anything really useful we
got a toolbox which I haven't found a use for, and some silly flash
things which are even less useful.

NOF will have to pull quite a large rabbit out of a hat to get any more
money out of me.

robert_b wrote:
> I think that is a good idea...but, IMHO v10 was so bad I was never
> comfortable using it. I hate to YELL FIRE, but I think NOF's days/years are
> numbered....third party developers no longer target the product as their
> efforts will yield low sales respectively based on user volume. Also, with
> Microsoft's committment to an alter ego of Dreamweaver, the cost of buying
> marketing share to deliver a comprehsensive beginner/pro platform will be
> reduced to those two models. As a pro photog I eventually had to surrender
> that Nikon would not keep up with the technology demand and Canon has. I
> loved the Nikon bodies but ultimately had to switch. My business would not
> wait any longer. The same has occured for me with NOF. After 10 years I
> hate to surrender the relationship but after v10 the writing on the wall was
> clear.
>
>
>
>> Maybe NOF could/should look at this model? With it's selling price, the
>> annual fee could be something like $50US - which seems affordable.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Garret Mott
>>
>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Trimdoner]

V10 was in my opinion a total waste of money - lots of Flash bits and
Toolbox thrown in to cover up lack of development from previous versions. A
bit like a ten year old Ford with a fancy paint job.
Having purchased 10 in great anticipation when it was first released, I
mostly rely on 9 (now free for all and sundry) for the majority of my sites.
I already had plenty of software for producing Flash animations and photo
galleries etc, and to be honest expected inprovements which did not
materialise.They'd already been made in 9.1
Unless V11 is a radical re-write I don't think it will be worth the upgrade
price, as opposed to the likes of Serif's Webplus, which at least improves
with every release. (Similar/lower price range as NOF)

Before I have to don my tin hat and dive for cover yet again, don't
misunderstand me. I've bought every version since 4, which I got free from a
magazine cover disk.
I really like NOF and the basic ideas behind it, and would rather use NOF
9/7.5 for building a website of any magnitude, as opposed to Dreamweaver or
the slightly limited Webplus.

But I seriously think Website Pro's should endeavour to make V11 a worthy
candidate for release rather than jump the gun again.
Otherwise, as turtle commented earlier, these newsgroups will become quieter
and quieter until all NOF users disappear.

Ken

"Mike Coombes" <mike@ktf-design.com> wrote in message
news:fd1e7g$bkp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> V11 is going to have to deliver something special to make me buy. HTML
> editing is an essential they've ignored for far too long, and I'm sure
> it'll be missing from 11. There's lots I like about it, but 10 was for
> me mostly a waste of money. Instead of adding anything really useful we
> got a toolbox which I haven't found a use for, and some silly flash
> things which are even less useful.
>
> NOF will have to pull quite a large rabbit out of a hat to get any more
> money out of me.
>
> robert_b wrote:
> > I think that is a good idea...but, IMHO v10 was so bad I was never
> > comfortable using it. I hate to YELL FIRE, but I think NOF's days/years
are
> > numbered....third party developers no longer target the product as their
> > efforts will yield low sales respectively based on user volume. Also,
with
> > Microsoft's committment to an alter ego of Dreamweaver, the cost of
buying
> > marketing share to deliver a comprehsensive beginner/pro platform will
be
> > reduced to those two models. As a pro photog I eventually had to
surrender
> > that Nikon would not keep up with the technology demand and Canon has.
I
> > loved the Nikon bodies but ultimately had to switch. My business would
not
> > wait any longer. The same has occured for me with NOF. After 10 years I
> > hate to surrender the relationship but after v10 the writing on the wall
was
> > clear.
> >
> >
> >
> >> Maybe NOF could/should look at this model? With it's selling price,
the
> >> annual fee could be something like $50US - which seems affordable.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Garret Mott
> >>
> >> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
> >> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >

[Garret Mott]

Hi Mike -

Since this is about as OT as it can get ;-), I'll send you an email directly

Garret Mott

Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com

"turtle" <gotFusion.com> wrote in message
news:A921.1190410734.148@gfwebforum.com...
> Garret Mott said:
>
> | I do custom software with a development environment called Visual
> | DataFlex (at least it's my main tool).
>
>
> I started using DataFlex when it was only available on Unix and MPM/CCPM
> (still have my 8" version 2.1b CCPM install discs around here somewhere).
> I doubt that it is anywhere close to what it was 20 years ago :-o
>
> Do they still use the runtime engine for the end user to run the coding?
>
> Mike
>
>

[Garret Mott]

Well, I tried - but didn't have an email address for you... So here's what
I was going to send:

Hi Mike -

I started (gulp) over 25 yrs ago on it.

No - no engine, but a runtime is still required (3 user is $100US).
However, developing really nice db apps in it is so fast (less that 1/2 the
time of .net & way lower horsepower machines needed), it's worth it.

If you still do any of this kind of work, you can download a free "personal"
version @ Download.com. 100% full package - just can't sell apps built with
it.

Regards,

Garret Mott

Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com