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  1. #21
    Micah Klesick \(www.learnNOF.com\)
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    Default Re: V11?

    I like how NOF 10 is set up, other than that, it is not that great. Matter
    of fact, I think I am going to use 9 and just give a copy to my clients to
    use.


    --
    Micah Klesick
    www.learnNOF.com
    Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    NetObjects Fusion
    --
    For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
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    "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:fd1iof$c4c1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > V10 was in my opinion a total waste of money - lots of Flash bits and
    > Toolbox thrown in to cover up lack of development from previous versions.
    > A
    > bit like a ten year old Ford with a fancy paint job.
    > Having purchased 10 in great anticipation when it was first released, I
    > mostly rely on 9 (now free for all and sundry) for the majority of my
    > sites.
    > I already had plenty of software for producing Flash animations and photo
    > galleries etc, and to be honest expected inprovements which did not
    > materialise.They'd already been made in 9.1
    > Unless V11 is a radical re-write I don't think it will be worth the
    > upgrade
    > price, as opposed to the likes of Serif's Webplus, which at least improves
    > with every release. (Similar/lower price range as NOF)
    >
    > Before I have to don my tin hat and dive for cover yet again, don't
    > misunderstand me. I've bought every version since 4, which I got free from
    > a
    > magazine cover disk.
    > I really like NOF and the basic ideas behind it, and would rather use NOF
    > 9/7.5 for building a website of any magnitude, as opposed to Dreamweaver
    > or
    > the slightly limited Webplus.
    >
    > But I seriously think Website Pro's should endeavour to make V11 a worthy
    > candidate for release rather than jump the gun again.
    > Otherwise, as turtle commented earlier, these newsgroups will become
    > quieter
    > and quieter until all NOF users disappear.
    >
    > Ken
    >
    > "Mike Coombes" <mike@ktf-design.com> wrote in message
    > news:fd1e7g$bkp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> V11 is going to have to deliver something special to make me buy. HTML
    >> editing is an essential they've ignored for far too long, and I'm sure
    >> it'll be missing from 11. There's lots I like about it, but 10 was for
    >> me mostly a waste of money. Instead of adding anything really useful we
    >> got a toolbox which I haven't found a use for, and some silly flash
    >> things which are even less useful.
    >>
    >> NOF will have to pull quite a large rabbit out of a hat to get any more
    >> money out of me.
    >>
    >> robert_b wrote:
    >> > I think that is a good idea...but, IMHO v10 was so bad I was never
    >> > comfortable using it. I hate to YELL FIRE, but I think NOF's
    >> > days/years

    > are
    >> > numbered....third party developers no longer target the product as
    >> > their
    >> > efforts will yield low sales respectively based on user volume. Also,

    > with
    >> > Microsoft's committment to an alter ego of Dreamweaver, the cost of

    > buying
    >> > marketing share to deliver a comprehsensive beginner/pro platform will

    > be
    >> > reduced to those two models. As a pro photog I eventually had to

    > surrender
    >> > that Nikon would not keep up with the technology demand and Canon has.

    > I
    >> > loved the Nikon bodies but ultimately had to switch. My business would

    > not
    >> > wait any longer. The same has occured for me with NOF. After 10 years
    >> > I
    >> > hate to surrender the relationship but after v10 the writing on the
    >> > wall

    > was
    >> > clear.
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >> Maybe NOF could/should look at this model? With it's selling price,

    > the
    >> >> annual fee could be something like $50US - which seems affordable.
    >> >>
    >> >> Thoughts?
    >> >>
    >> >> Garret Mott
    >> >>
    >> >> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    >> >> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >

    >
    >




  2. #22
    Trimdoner
    Guest

    Default Re: V11?

    Yes, I must admit the workspace layout is a nice idea in 10 - at least that
    bit was a step in the right direction.


    "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in message
    news:fd1v3m$cda2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > I like how NOF 10 is set up, other than that, it is not that great.

    Matter
    > of fact, I think I am going to use 9 and just give a copy to my clients to
    > use.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Micah Klesick
    > www.learnNOF.com
    > Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    > NetObjects Fusion
    > --
    > For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    > www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    > --
    >
    > "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:fd1iof$c4c1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > > V10 was in my opinion a total waste of money - lots of Flash bits and
    > > Toolbox thrown in to cover up lack of development from previous

    versions.
    > > A
    > > bit like a ten year old Ford with a fancy paint job.
    > > Having purchased 10 in great anticipation when it was first released, I
    > > mostly rely on 9 (now free for all and sundry) for the majority of my
    > > sites.
    > > I already had plenty of software for producing Flash animations and

    photo
    > > galleries etc, and to be honest expected inprovements which did not
    > > materialise.They'd already been made in 9.1
    > > Unless V11 is a radical re-write I don't think it will be worth the
    > > upgrade
    > > price, as opposed to the likes of Serif's Webplus, which at least

    improves
    > > with every release. (Similar/lower price range as NOF)
    > >
    > > Before I have to don my tin hat and dive for cover yet again, don't
    > > misunderstand me. I've bought every version since 4, which I got free

    from
    > > a
    > > magazine cover disk.
    > > I really like NOF and the basic ideas behind it, and would rather use

    NOF
    > > 9/7.5 for building a website of any magnitude, as opposed to Dreamweaver
    > > or
    > > the slightly limited Webplus.
    > >
    > > But I seriously think Website Pro's should endeavour to make V11 a

    worthy
    > > candidate for release rather than jump the gun again.
    > > Otherwise, as turtle commented earlier, these newsgroups will become
    > > quieter
    > > and quieter until all NOF users disappear.
    > >
    > > Ken
    > >
    > > "Mike Coombes" <mike@ktf-design.com> wrote in message
    > > news:fd1e7g$bkp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > >> V11 is going to have to deliver something special to make me buy. HTML
    > >> editing is an essential they've ignored for far too long, and I'm sure
    > >> it'll be missing from 11. There's lots I like about it, but 10 was for
    > >> me mostly a waste of money. Instead of adding anything really useful we
    > >> got a toolbox which I haven't found a use for, and some silly flash
    > >> things which are even less useful.
    > >>
    > >> NOF will have to pull quite a large rabbit out of a hat to get any more
    > >> money out of me.
    > >>
    > >> robert_b wrote:
    > >> > I think that is a good idea...but, IMHO v10 was so bad I was never
    > >> > comfortable using it. I hate to YELL FIRE, but I think NOF's
    > >> > days/years

    > > are
    > >> > numbered....third party developers no longer target the product as
    > >> > their
    > >> > efforts will yield low sales respectively based on user volume.

    Also,
    > > with
    > >> > Microsoft's committment to an alter ego of Dreamweaver, the cost of

    > > buying
    > >> > marketing share to deliver a comprehsensive beginner/pro platform

    will
    > > be
    > >> > reduced to those two models. As a pro photog I eventually had to

    > > surrender
    > >> > that Nikon would not keep up with the technology demand and Canon

    has.
    > > I
    > >> > loved the Nikon bodies but ultimately had to switch. My business

    would
    > > not
    > >> > wait any longer. The same has occured for me with NOF. After 10

    years
    > >> > I
    > >> > hate to surrender the relationship but after v10 the writing on the
    > >> > wall

    > > was
    > >> > clear.
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >> Maybe NOF could/should look at this model? With it's selling price,

    > > the
    > >> >> annual fee could be something like $50US - which seems affordable.
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Thoughts?
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Garret Mott
    > >> >>
    > >> >> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    > >> >> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >

    > >
    > >

    >
    >




  3. #23
    Peter Eisenburger
    Guest

    Default Re: V11?

    I find the whole new interface uncomfortable. It has lost most of its
    elegance and beauty from the old design made by Susan Kare and Clement Mok.

    I most hate the new dialogue boxes always moving around and the ugly new
    icons which look as been made by a student in his first class but not by
    a professional designer. Where was the need to change the icons? Did
    they have to pay fees to Susan or what?

    Peter


    Trimdoner wrote:
    > Yes, I must admit the workspace layout is a nice idea in 10 - at least that
    > bit was a step in the right direction.
    >
    >
    > "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in message
    > news:fd1v3m$cda2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> I like how NOF 10 is set up, other than that, it is not that great.

    > Matter
    >> of fact, I think I am going to use 9 and just give a copy to my clients to
    >> use.
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Micah Klesick
    >> www.learnNOF.com
    >> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    >> NetObjects Fusion
    >> --
    >> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    >> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    >> --
    >>
    >> "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
    >> news:fd1iof$c4c1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> V10 was in my opinion a total waste of money - lots of Flash bits and
    >>> Toolbox thrown in to cover up lack of development from previous

    > versions.
    >>> A
    >>> bit like a ten year old Ford with a fancy paint job.
    >>> Having purchased 10 in great anticipation when it was first released, I
    >>> mostly rely on 9 (now free for all and sundry) for the majority of my
    >>> sites.
    >>> I already had plenty of software for producing Flash animations and

    > photo
    >>> galleries etc, and to be honest expected inprovements which did not
    >>> materialise.They'd already been made in 9.1
    >>> Unless V11 is a radical re-write I don't think it will be worth the
    >>> upgrade
    >>> price, as opposed to the likes of Serif's Webplus, which at least

    > improves
    >>> with every release. (Similar/lower price range as NOF)
    >>>
    >>> Before I have to don my tin hat and dive for cover yet again, don't
    >>> misunderstand me. I've bought every version since 4, which I got free

    > from
    >>> a
    >>> magazine cover disk.
    >>> I really like NOF and the basic ideas behind it, and would rather use

    > NOF
    >>> 9/7.5 for building a website of any magnitude, as opposed to Dreamweaver
    >>> or
    >>> the slightly limited Webplus.
    >>>
    >>> But I seriously think Website Pro's should endeavour to make V11 a

    > worthy
    >>> candidate for release rather than jump the gun again.
    >>> Otherwise, as turtle commented earlier, these newsgroups will become
    >>> quieter
    >>> and quieter until all NOF users disappear.
    >>>
    >>> Ken
    >>>
    >>> "Mike Coombes" <mike@ktf-design.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:fd1e7g$bkp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> V11 is going to have to deliver something special to make me buy. HTML
    >>>> editing is an essential they've ignored for far too long, and I'm sure
    >>>> it'll be missing from 11. There's lots I like about it, but 10 was for
    >>>> me mostly a waste of money. Instead of adding anything really useful we
    >>>> got a toolbox which I haven't found a use for, and some silly flash
    >>>> things which are even less useful.
    >>>>
    >>>> NOF will have to pull quite a large rabbit out of a hat to get any more
    >>>> money out of me.
    >>>>
    >>>> robert_b wrote:
    >>>>> I think that is a good idea...but, IMHO v10 was so bad I was never
    >>>>> comfortable using it. I hate to YELL FIRE, but I think NOF's
    >>>>> days/years
    >>> are
    >>>>> numbered....third party developers no longer target the product as
    >>>>> their
    >>>>> efforts will yield low sales respectively based on user volume.

    > Also,
    >>> with
    >>>>> Microsoft's committment to an alter ego of Dreamweaver, the cost of
    >>> buying
    >>>>> marketing share to deliver a comprehsensive beginner/pro platform

    > will
    >>> be
    >>>>> reduced to those two models. As a pro photog I eventually had to
    >>> surrender
    >>>>> that Nikon would not keep up with the technology demand and Canon

    > has.
    >>> I
    >>>>> loved the Nikon bodies but ultimately had to switch. My business

    > would
    >>> not
    >>>>> wait any longer. The same has occured for me with NOF. After 10

    > years
    >>>>> I
    >>>>> hate to surrender the relationship but after v10 the writing on the
    >>>>> wall
    >>> was
    >>>>> clear.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Maybe NOF could/should look at this model? With it's selling price,
    >>> the
    >>>>>> annual fee could be something like $50US - which seems affordable.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Thoughts?
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Garret Mott
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    >>>>>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>

    >>

    >
    >


  4. #24
    Micah Klesick \(www.learnNOF.com\)
    Guest

    Default Re: V11?

    I like the brighter look and colors mainly.

    --
    Micah Klesick
    www.learnNOF.com
    Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    NetObjects Fusion
    --
    For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    --

    "Peter Eisenburger" <peter@eisenburger.de> wrote in message
    news:fd3es6$j112@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >I find the whole new interface uncomfortable. It has lost most of its
    >elegance and beauty from the old design made by Susan Kare and Clement Mok.
    >
    > I most hate the new dialogue boxes always moving around and the ugly new
    > icons which look as been made by a student in his first class but not by a
    > professional designer. Where was the need to change the icons? Did they
    > have to pay fees to Susan or what?
    >
    > Peter
    >
    >
    > Trimdoner wrote:
    >> Yes, I must admit the workspace layout is a nice idea in 10 - at least
    >> that
    >> bit was a step in the right direction.
    >>
    >>
    >> "Micah Klesick (www.learnNOF.com)" <webmaster@learnNOF.com> wrote in
    >> message
    >> news:fd1v3m$cda2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> I like how NOF 10 is set up, other than that, it is not that great.

    >> Matter
    >>> of fact, I think I am going to use 9 and just give a copy to my clients
    >>> to
    >>> use.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Micah Klesick
    >>> www.learnNOF.com
    >>> Flash video and PDF tutorials on
    >>> NetObjects Fusion
    >>> --
    >>> For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
    >>> www.learnNOF.com/index.php
    >>> --
    >>>
    >>> "Trimdoner" <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
    >>> news:fd1iof$c4c1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> V10 was in my opinion a total waste of money - lots of Flash bits and
    >>>> Toolbox thrown in to cover up lack of development from previous

    >> versions.
    >>>> A
    >>>> bit like a ten year old Ford with a fancy paint job.
    >>>> Having purchased 10 in great anticipation when it was first released, I
    >>>> mostly rely on 9 (now free for all and sundry) for the majority of my
    >>>> sites.
    >>>> I already had plenty of software for producing Flash animations and

    >> photo
    >>>> galleries etc, and to be honest expected inprovements which did not
    >>>> materialise.They'd already been made in 9.1
    >>>> Unless V11 is a radical re-write I don't think it will be worth the
    >>>> upgrade
    >>>> price, as opposed to the likes of Serif's Webplus, which at least

    >> improves
    >>>> with every release. (Similar/lower price range as NOF)
    >>>>
    >>>> Before I have to don my tin hat and dive for cover yet again, don't
    >>>> misunderstand me. I've bought every version since 4, which I got free

    >> from
    >>>> a
    >>>> magazine cover disk.
    >>>> I really like NOF and the basic ideas behind it, and would rather use

    >> NOF
    >>>> 9/7.5 for building a website of any magnitude, as opposed to
    >>>> Dreamweaver
    >>>> or
    >>>> the slightly limited Webplus.
    >>>>
    >>>> But I seriously think Website Pro's should endeavour to make V11 a

    >> worthy
    >>>> candidate for release rather than jump the gun again.
    >>>> Otherwise, as turtle commented earlier, these newsgroups will become
    >>>> quieter
    >>>> and quieter until all NOF users disappear.
    >>>>
    >>>> Ken
    >>>>
    >>>> "Mike Coombes" <mike@ktf-design.com> wrote in message
    >>>> news:fd1e7g$bkp1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>>> V11 is going to have to deliver something special to make me buy. HTML
    >>>>> editing is an essential they've ignored for far too long, and I'm sure
    >>>>> it'll be missing from 11. There's lots I like about it, but 10 was for
    >>>>> me mostly a waste of money. Instead of adding anything really useful
    >>>>> we
    >>>>> got a toolbox which I haven't found a use for, and some silly flash
    >>>>> things which are even less useful.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> NOF will have to pull quite a large rabbit out of a hat to get any
    >>>>> more
    >>>>> money out of me.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> robert_b wrote:
    >>>>>> I think that is a good idea...but, IMHO v10 was so bad I was never
    >>>>>> comfortable using it. I hate to YELL FIRE, but I think NOF's
    >>>>>> days/years
    >>>> are
    >>>>>> numbered....third party developers no longer target the product as
    >>>>>> their
    >>>>>> efforts will yield low sales respectively based on user volume.

    >> Also,
    >>>> with
    >>>>>> Microsoft's committment to an alter ego of Dreamweaver, the cost of
    >>>> buying
    >>>>>> marketing share to deliver a comprehsensive beginner/pro platform

    >> will
    >>>> be
    >>>>>> reduced to those two models. As a pro photog I eventually had to
    >>>> surrender
    >>>>>> that Nikon would not keep up with the technology demand and Canon

    >> has.
    >>>> I
    >>>>>> loved the Nikon bodies but ultimately had to switch. My business

    >> would
    >>>> not
    >>>>>> wait any longer. The same has occured for me with NOF. After 10

    >> years
    >>>>>> I
    >>>>>> hate to surrender the relationship but after v10 the writing on the
    >>>>>> wall
    >>>> was
    >>>>>> clear.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Maybe NOF could/should look at this model? With it's selling price,
    >>>> the
    >>>>>>> annual fee could be something like $50US - which seems affordable.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Thoughts?
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Garret Mott
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
    >>>>>>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>

    >>



  5. #25
    franko
    Guest

    Default Re: V11?

    NoF has already disappeared at least a couple of times since its
    inception, the last when Lotus disposed of it back in '99 or '00.
    Can't remember who bought it but they went broke I believe and then
    WSP picked it up. I seem to remember it had gone bung sometime before
    Lotus acquired it, too.

    The fact is, for the average web site owner there's very little that's
    as easy to use and as powerful. for the professional developer,
    however, there are plenty of alternatives. I've started building
    pretty much all my sites in Drupal and Wordpress these days. All
    that's needed is the ability to edit CSS and PHP and you can provide
    sites to customers that they can update themselves which is pretty
    much in demand these days. Having said that, I still use v8 for my own
    sites.

    Robert_b, if you think Nikon's fallen way behind, check out the new
    D3. It is just awesome and brings them back into the playing field
    with Canon. I've stayed with Nikon, the latest being the D200 but I
    will definitely be upgrading to the D3 and D300s.

    cheers

    franko

    On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:06:14 +0100, "Trimdoner"
    <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

    >V10 was in my opinion a total waste of money - lots of Flash bits and
    >Toolbox thrown in to cover up lack of development from previous versions. A
    >bit like a ten year old Ford with a fancy paint job.
    >Having purchased 10 in great anticipation when it was first released, I
    >mostly rely on 9 (now free for all and sundry) for the majority of my sites.
    >I already had plenty of software for producing Flash animations and photo
    >galleries etc, and to be honest expected inprovements which did not
    >materialise.They'd already been made in 9.1
    >Unless V11 is a radical re-write I don't think it will be worth the upgrade
    >price, as opposed to the likes of Serif's Webplus, which at least improves
    >with every release. (Similar/lower price range as NOF)
    >
    >Before I have to don my tin hat and dive for cover yet again, don't
    >misunderstand me. I've bought every version since 4, which I got free from a
    >magazine cover disk.
    >I really like NOF and the basic ideas behind it, and would rather use NOF
    >9/7.5 for building a website of any magnitude, as opposed to Dreamweaver or
    >the slightly limited Webplus.
    >
    >But I seriously think Website Pro's should endeavour to make V11 a worthy
    >candidate for release rather than jump the gun again.
    >Otherwise, as turtle commented earlier, these newsgroups will become quieter
    >and quieter until all NOF users disappear.
    >
    >Ken
    >



  6. #26
    robert_b
    Guest

    Default Re: V11? NIKON OT

    Oh yea, the D3 is nice...but, 4 years ago Nikon SWORE they would never go to
    a FF sensor...and, ultimately subbed out the sensor....I had over $28K in
    Nikon glass...and, could not wait for a body any longer....the clients
    DEMANDED more file than Nikon could produce. I went from the D1 to the D2H
    which was just as bad as Microsofts Millenium. So, yes, the D3 is going to
    be a great camera...but, now Canon has hit the threshold of the 25meg with
    the 1DsIII. Not sure about you (I am not being sarcastic but
    pontificating), but, hustling up my business requires I have an edge at all
    times. Waiting for OEM's, like Nikon for over 3.5 years is unacceptable.


    >
    > Robert_b, if you think Nikon's fallen way behind, check out the new
    > D3. It is just awesome and brings them back into the playing field
    > with Canon. I've stayed with Nikon, the latest being the D200 but I
    > will definitely be upgrading to the D3 and D300s.




  7. #27
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: V11?

    I am curious regarding your thoughts on code igniter?

    franko wrote:
    > NoF has already disappeared at least a couple of times since its
    > inception, the last when Lotus disposed of it back in '99 or '00.
    > Can't remember who bought it but they went broke I believe and then
    > WSP picked it up. I seem to remember it had gone bung sometime before
    > Lotus acquired it, too.
    >
    > The fact is, for the average web site owner there's very little that's
    > as easy to use and as powerful. for the professional developer,
    > however, there are plenty of alternatives. I've started building
    > pretty much all my sites in Drupal and Wordpress these days. All
    > that's needed is the ability to edit CSS and PHP and you can provide
    > sites to customers that they can update themselves which is pretty
    > much in demand these days. Having said that, I still use v8 for my own
    > sites.
    >
    > Robert_b, if you think Nikon's fallen way behind, check out the new
    > D3. It is just awesome and brings them back into the playing field
    > with Canon. I've stayed with Nikon, the latest being the D200 but I
    > will definitely be upgrading to the D3 and D300s.
    >
    > cheers
    >
    > franko
    >
    > On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:06:14 +0100, "Trimdoner"
    > <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
    >
    >> V10 was in my opinion a total waste of money - lots of Flash bits and
    >> Toolbox thrown in to cover up lack of development from previous versions. A
    >> bit like a ten year old Ford with a fancy paint job.
    >> Having purchased 10 in great anticipation when it was first released, I
    >> mostly rely on 9 (now free for all and sundry) for the majority of my sites.
    >> I already had plenty of software for producing Flash animations and photo
    >> galleries etc, and to be honest expected inprovements which did not
    >> materialise.They'd already been made in 9.1
    >> Unless V11 is a radical re-write I don't think it will be worth the upgrade
    >> price, as opposed to the likes of Serif's Webplus, which at least improves
    >> with every release. (Similar/lower price range as NOF)
    >>
    >> Before I have to don my tin hat and dive for cover yet again, don't
    >> misunderstand me. I've bought every version since 4, which I got free from a
    >> magazine cover disk.
    >> I really like NOF and the basic ideas behind it, and would rather use NOF
    >> 9/7.5 for building a website of any magnitude, as opposed to Dreamweaver or
    >> the slightly limited Webplus.
    >>
    >> But I seriously think Website Pro's should endeavour to make V11 a worthy
    >> candidate for release rather than jump the gun again.
    >> Otherwise, as turtle commented earlier, these newsgroups will become quieter
    >> and quieter until all NOF users disappear.
    >>
    >> Ken
    >>

    >


  8. #28
    franko
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    Default Re: V11?

    I have'nt used codeigniter as yet but it looks worthy of checking out.
    I've downloaded it and will be playing with it once I get over my
    current workload and the Christmas silly season is upon us.

    cheers

    franko


    On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:16:29 -0400, Richard Wayne Garganta
    <richinri@cox.net> wrote:

    >I am curious regarding your thoughts on code igniter?
    >
    >franko wrote:
    >> NoF has already disappeared at least a couple of times since its
    >> inception, the last when Lotus disposed of it back in '99 or '00.
    >> Can't remember who bought it but they went broke I believe and then
    >> WSP picked it up. I seem to remember it had gone bung sometime before
    >> Lotus acquired it, too.
    >>
    >> The fact is, for the average web site owner there's very little that's
    >> as easy to use and as powerful. for the professional developer,
    >> however, there are plenty of alternatives. I've started building
    >> pretty much all my sites in Drupal and Wordpress these days. All
    >> that's needed is the ability to edit CSS and PHP and you can provide
    >> sites to customers that they can update themselves which is pretty
    >> much in demand these days. Having said that, I still use v8 for my own
    >> sites.
    >>
    >> Robert_b, if you think Nikon's fallen way behind, check out the new
    >> D3. It is just awesome and brings them back into the playing field
    >> with Canon. I've stayed with Nikon, the latest being the D200 but I
    >> will definitely be upgrading to the D3 and D300s.
    >>
    >> cheers
    >>
    >> franko
    >>
    >> On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:06:14 +0100, "Trimdoner"
    >> <ken@lrcars.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
    >>
    >>> V10 was in my opinion a total waste of money - lots of Flash bits and
    >>> Toolbox thrown in to cover up lack of development from previous versions. A
    >>> bit like a ten year old Ford with a fancy paint job.
    >>> Having purchased 10 in great anticipation when it was first released, I
    >>> mostly rely on 9 (now free for all and sundry) for the majority of my sites.
    >>> I already had plenty of software for producing Flash animations and photo
    >>> galleries etc, and to be honest expected inprovements which did not
    >>> materialise.They'd already been made in 9.1
    >>> Unless V11 is a radical re-write I don't think it will be worth the upgrade
    >>> price, as opposed to the likes of Serif's Webplus, which at least improves
    >>> with every release. (Similar/lower price range as NOF)
    >>>
    >>> Before I have to don my tin hat and dive for cover yet again, don't
    >>> misunderstand me. I've bought every version since 4, which I got free from a
    >>> magazine cover disk.
    >>> I really like NOF and the basic ideas behind it, and would rather use NOF
    >>> 9/7.5 for building a website of any magnitude, as opposed to Dreamweaver or
    >>> the slightly limited Webplus.
    >>>
    >>> But I seriously think Website Pro's should endeavour to make V11 a worthy
    >>> candidate for release rather than jump the gun again.
    >>> Otherwise, as turtle commented earlier, these newsgroups will become quieter
    >>> and quieter until all NOF users disappear.
    >>>
    >>> Ken
    >>>

    >>


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