What's the best way to back up a site?

I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.

Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
either file type.

The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.

Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less sensitive across
versions of NOF, but I don't really know.

Thanks in advance,

Rich

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Chuck_=ABBeyondFusion=BB?=]

Rich,

A template includes the nod file, the site styles(s) and all of the file
(like images) assets used in the site.

So it'll always be larger than the nod alone. Makes sense, eh?

If you want a complete backup, export a template. If you're only concerned
about a nod file becoming corrupt, the normal backup system of Fusion works
just fine.

Just be sure you allocate enough space for the backups in your program
settings.

If you export templates, save them somewhere other than your hard drive.

--
Chuck Joslin
BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
www.beyondfusion.com

Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com

<nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:fmir80$6811@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.
>
> Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
> either file type.
>
> The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.
>
> Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
> I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less sensitive
> across versions of NOF, but I don't really know.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rich
>

[Nancy O]

<Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
either file type.>

True if you are on the same computer. But Nod files don't work well when
moved from one PC to another because they point to assets contained on the
previous hard drive. When moving a site to another work computer, it's much
easier to work from your Template.

I Export site to Template after every big editing session and upload the zip
file to my remote server. In addition, I keep several templates on CD or
external HDs. They have saved my butt more than once.

--Nancy O.
Alt-Web Design & Publishing
www.alt-web.com



<nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:fmir80$6811@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.
>
> Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
> either file type.
>
> The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.
>
> Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
> I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less sensitive
across
> versions of NOF, but I don't really know.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rich
>
>

Thanks Chuck,

Yup - makes sense.

I save copies of the templates locally as well as on the server. The files
saved on the server are probably safer there than what I do locally,
although they are not backed up as often and not at the most critical time
as I do here.

Rich


"Chuck «BeyondFusion»" <supportno@spambeyondfusion.com> wrote in message
news:fmitc5$5643@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Rich,
>
> A template includes the nod file, the site styles(s) and all of the file
> (like images) assets used in the site.
>
> So it'll always be larger than the nod alone. Makes sense, eh?
>
> If you want a complete backup, export a template. If you're only concerned
> about a nod file becoming corrupt, the normal backup system of Fusion
> works just fine.
>
> Just be sure you allocate enough space for the backups in your program
> settings.
>
> If you export templates, save them somewhere other than your hard drive.
>
> --
> Chuck Joslin
> BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
> www.beyondfusion.com
>
> Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com
>
> <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:fmir80$6811@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.
>>
>> Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
>> either file type.
>>
>> The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.
>>
>> Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
>> I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less sensitive
>> across versions of NOF, but I don't really know.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Rich
>>
>

Thanks Nancy,

One thing I would add, back up your data on DVDs not CDs.
CDs are good for 5 years, DVDs 100 years.

On the other hand, the CD will probably outlive the web site.

Rich

"Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
news:fmj06c$5644@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> <Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
> either file type.>
>
> True if you are on the same computer. But Nod files don't work well when
> moved from one PC to another because they point to assets contained on the
> previous hard drive. When moving a site to another work computer, it's
> much
> easier to work from your Template.
>
> I Export site to Template after every big editing session and upload the
> zip
> file to my remote server. In addition, I keep several templates on CD or
> external HDs. They have saved my butt more than once.
>
> --Nancy O.
> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
> www.alt-web.com
>
>
>
> <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:fmir80$6811@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.
>>
>> Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
>> either file type.
>>
>> The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.
>>
>> Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
>> I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less sensitive
> across
>> versions of NOF, but I don't really know.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Rich
>>
>>
>
>

[Nancy O]

Rich,
100 years?!!!. Yeah, right.

As someone who works with DVD/CD/HDDVD etc.. format disks on a daily basis,
I find DVD's are very susceptible to corruption. Sometimes disks come from
the factory with defects. Other times there are write errors or layer
corruptions caused by Sharpie pens or adhesive labels after rendering. No
matter which media format you use to secure your backups, make sure to test
BEFORE you need a rescue disk!!!


--Nancy O.
Alt-Web Design & Publishing
www.alt-web.com


<nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:fmjder$76u10@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
> Thanks Nancy,
>
> One thing I would add, back up your data on DVDs not CDs.
> CDs are good for 5 years, DVDs 100 years.
>
> On the other hand, the CD will probably outlive the web site.
>
> Rich
>
> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
> news:fmj06c$5644@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> > <Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
> > either file type.>
> >
> > True if you are on the same computer. But Nod files don't work well
when
> > moved from one PC to another because they point to assets contained on
the
> > previous hard drive. When moving a site to another work computer, it's
> > much
> > easier to work from your Template.
> >
> > I Export site to Template after every big editing session and upload the
> > zip
> > file to my remote server. In addition, I keep several templates on CD
or
> > external HDs. They have saved my butt more than once.
> >
> > --Nancy O.
> > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
> > www.alt-web.com
> >
> >
> >
> > <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:fmir80$6811@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> >> I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.
> >>
> >> Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
> >> either file type.
> >>
> >> The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.
> >>
> >> Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
> >> I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less sensitive
> > across
> >> versions of NOF, but I don't really know.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Rich
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

[Peter Eisenburger]

The best is really to save important backups on the server of the
provider. -

There are also vendors of free online space like all the web mail
providers. GMail offers 3 GB, Yahoo Mail offers unlimited space as I saw
lately. But I don't know how reliable (and fast) these offers are for
backups.

Peter


Nancy O wrote:
> Rich,
> 100 years?!!!. Yeah, right.
>
> As someone who works with DVD/CD/HDDVD etc.. format disks on a daily basis,
> I find DVD's are very susceptible to corruption. Sometimes disks come from
> the factory with defects. Other times there are write errors or layer
> corruptions caused by Sharpie pens or adhesive labels after rendering. No
> matter which media format you use to secure your backups, make sure to test
> BEFORE you need a rescue disk!!!
>
>
> --Nancy O.
> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
> www.alt-web.com
>
>
> <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:fmjder$76u10@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
>> Thanks Nancy,
>>
>> One thing I would add, back up your data on DVDs not CDs.
>> CDs are good for 5 years, DVDs 100 years.
>>
>> On the other hand, the CD will probably outlive the web site.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
>> news:fmj06c$5644@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>> <Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
>>> either file type.>
>>>
>>> True if you are on the same computer. But Nod files don't work well
> when
>>> moved from one PC to another because they point to assets contained on
> the
>>> previous hard drive. When moving a site to another work computer, it's
>>> much
>>> easier to work from your Template.
>>>
>>> I Export site to Template after every big editing session and upload the
>>> zip
>>> file to my remote server. In addition, I keep several templates on CD
> or
>>> external HDs. They have saved my butt more than once.
>>>
>>> --Nancy O.
>>> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
>>> www.alt-web.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:fmir80$6811@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>> I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.
>>>>
>>>> Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
>>>> either file type.
>>>>
>>>> The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.
>>>>
>>>> Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
>>>> I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less sensitive
>>> across
>>>> versions of NOF, but I don't really know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>> Rich
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Nancy,

DVD technology is superior to CD technology. CDs have suffered from metal
migration and defective coatings.
Accelerated life tests on the best DVDs predict their life should exceed 100
years. Personally, I've never received a bad one out of the box and I can
still read the ones written years ago.

If one does not give them the proper care, they may not last a week.

Proper care would include:
1) Never touch the recorded side with anything.
2) Never write on either side with anything.
3) Never affix a any label on either side. The weight alone offsets the
center of mass of the disk which can cause (wobble) premature bearing
failure in the CD/DVD drive..
4) Never leave them about without placing them in a protective case
(individually, not in one of those plastic album things).
5) Store them in nice temperature/humidity environments.
6) Use good quality CD/DVD drives.
7) Use good software to write the CD/DVD.
8) Handle CDs/DVDs by the edges and center hole ONLY.

I buy quality, write ONCE, DVDs (and append them when I have more to store)
and keep them in thin plastic cases (cases labeled, not the DVD).

It sounds like you got something bad going on. What you say shouldn't be
happening.

Regards,
Rich

"Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
news:fmjrva$99q1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Rich,
> 100 years?!!!. Yeah, right.
>
> As someone who works with DVD/CD/HDDVD etc.. format disks on a daily
> basis,
> I find DVD's are very susceptible to corruption. Sometimes disks come
> from
> the factory with defects. Other times there are write errors or layer
> corruptions caused by Sharpie pens or adhesive labels after rendering. No
> matter which media format you use to secure your backups, make sure to
> test
> BEFORE you need a rescue disk!!!
>
>
> --Nancy O.
> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
> www.alt-web.com
>
>
> <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:fmjder$76u10@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
>> Thanks Nancy,
>>
>> One thing I would add, back up your data on DVDs not CDs.
>> CDs are good for 5 years, DVDs 100 years.
>>
>> On the other hand, the CD will probably outlive the web site.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
>> news:fmj06c$5644@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> > <Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
>> > either file type.>
>> >
>> > True if you are on the same computer. But Nod files don't work well
> when
>> > moved from one PC to another because they point to assets contained on
> the
>> > previous hard drive. When moving a site to another work computer, it's
>> > much
>> > easier to work from your Template.
>> >
>> > I Export site to Template after every big editing session and upload
>> > the
>> > zip
>> > file to my remote server. In addition, I keep several templates on CD
> or
>> > external HDs. They have saved my butt more than once.
>> >
>> > --Nancy O.
>> > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
>> > www.alt-web.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> > news:fmir80$6811@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> >> I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.
>> >>
>> >> Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site from
>> >> either file type.
>> >>
>> >> The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.
>> >>
>> >> Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
>> >> I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less sensitive
>> > across
>> >> versions of NOF, but I don't really know.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >>
>> >> Rich
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

[Nancy O]

I can still read DVD-ROMs from years ago, too. I can also play chrome &
high metal audio cassettes as well as VCR tapes that were considered high
grade in their day. I don't disagree with you. High grade DVDs are much
better than CDs. But the blank dual-layer sliver DVD+R and +RWs I'm buying
today are not the same high grade Gold and Platinum that underwent vigorous
testing back when Phillips introduced the technology. As the media gets
more affordable, I find the quality of these disks has suffered out of the
box. Some major brands are worse than others. I got a bad batch of DVDs
just the other day. When I switched to an alternate brand, no problem.

--Nancy O.
Alt-Web Design & Publishing
www.alt-web.com




<nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:fmlmgj$fea1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Nancy,
>
> DVD technology is superior to CD technology. CDs have suffered from metal
> migration and defective coatings.
> Accelerated life tests on the best DVDs predict their life should exceed
100
> years. Personally, I've never received a bad one out of the box and I can
> still read the ones written years ago.
>
> If one does not give them the proper care, they may not last a week.
>
> Proper care would include:
> 1) Never touch the recorded side with anything.
> 2) Never write on either side with anything.
> 3) Never affix a any label on either side. The weight alone offsets the
> center of mass of the disk which can cause (wobble) premature bearing
> failure in the CD/DVD drive..
> 4) Never leave them about without placing them in a protective case
> (individually, not in one of those plastic album things).
> 5) Store them in nice temperature/humidity environments.
> 6) Use good quality CD/DVD drives.
> 7) Use good software to write the CD/DVD.
> 8) Handle CDs/DVDs by the edges and center hole ONLY.
>
> I buy quality, write ONCE, DVDs (and append them when I have more to
store)
> and keep them in thin plastic cases (cases labeled, not the DVD).
>
> It sounds like you got something bad going on. What you say shouldn't be
> happening.
>
> Regards,
> Rich
>
> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
> news:fmjrva$99q1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> > Rich,
> > 100 years?!!!. Yeah, right.
> >
> > As someone who works with DVD/CD/HDDVD etc.. format disks on a daily
> > basis,
> > I find DVD's are very susceptible to corruption. Sometimes disks come
> > from
> > the factory with defects. Other times there are write errors or layer
> > corruptions caused by Sharpie pens or adhesive labels after rendering.
No
> > matter which media format you use to secure your backups, make sure to
> > test
> > BEFORE you need a rescue disk!!!
> >
> >
> > --Nancy O.
> > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
> > www.alt-web.com
> >
> >
> > <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:fmjder$76u10@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
> >> Thanks Nancy,
> >>
> >> One thing I would add, back up your data on DVDs not CDs.
> >> CDs are good for 5 years, DVDs 100 years.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, the CD will probably outlive the web site.
> >>
> >> Rich
> >>
> >> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
> >> news:fmj06c$5644@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> >> > <Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site
from
> >> > either file type.>
> >> >
> >> > True if you are on the same computer. But Nod files don't work well
> > when
> >> > moved from one PC to another because they point to assets contained
on
> > the
> >> > previous hard drive. When moving a site to another work computer,
it's
> >> > much
> >> > easier to work from your Template.
> >> >
> >> > I Export site to Template after every big editing session and upload
> >> > the
> >> > zip
> >> > file to my remote server. In addition, I keep several templates on
CD
> > or
> >> > external HDs. They have saved my butt more than once.
> >> >
> >> > --Nancy O.
> >> > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
> >> > www.alt-web.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:fmir80$6811@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> >> >> I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.
> >> >>
> >> >> Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site
from
> >> >> either file type.
> >> >>
> >> >> The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
> >> >> I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less
sensitive
> >> > across
> >> >> versions of NOF, but I don't really know.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> >>
> >> >> Rich
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Nancy,

<snipped>
> ... But the blank dual-layer sliver DVD+R and +RWs I'm buying
> today are not the same high grade Gold and Platinum that underwent
> vigorous
> testing back when Phillips introduced the technology.

I don't buy the RW disks.

> As the media gets more affordable, I find the quality of these disks has
> suffered out of the box.

Gold and Platinum are expensive materials. Cheaper materials will often be
used to keep pricing competitive (consumer pressure). The job of
engineering is to solve the problems that arise when using these lower cost
materials. Aluminum, for example, was used to replace gold in some cases
which ulimately failed due to metal migration..

> Some major brands are worse than others. I got a bad batch of DVDs
> just the other day. When I switched to an alternate brand, no problem.

Which brand was bad and which one was good?

Thanks for your input,

Rich

> --Nancy O.
> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
> www.alt-web.com
>
>
> <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:fmlmgj$fea1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> Nancy,
>>
>> DVD technology is superior to CD technology. CDs have suffered from
>> metal
>> migration and defective coatings.
>> Accelerated life tests on the best DVDs predict their life should exceed
> 100
>> years. Personally, I've never received a bad one out of the box and I
>> can
>> still read the ones written years ago.
>>
>> If one does not give them the proper care, they may not last a week.
>>
>> Proper care would include:
>> 1) Never touch the recorded side with anything.
>> 2) Never write on either side with anything.
>> 3) Never affix a any label on either side. The weight alone offsets the
>> center of mass of the disk which can cause (wobble) premature bearing
>> failure in the CD/DVD drive..
>> 4) Never leave them about without placing them in a protective case
>> (individually, not in one of those plastic album things).
>> 5) Store them in nice temperature/humidity environments.
>> 6) Use good quality CD/DVD drives.
>> 7) Use good software to write the CD/DVD.
>> 8) Handle CDs/DVDs by the edges and center hole ONLY.
>>
>> I buy quality, write ONCE, DVDs (and append them when I have more to
> store)
>> and keep them in thin plastic cases (cases labeled, not the DVD).
>>
>> It sounds like you got something bad going on. What you say shouldn't be
>> happening.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rich
>>
>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
>> news:fmjrva$99q1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> > Rich,
>> > 100 years?!!!. Yeah, right.
>> >
>> > As someone who works with DVD/CD/HDDVD etc.. format disks on a daily
>> > basis,
>> > I find DVD's are very susceptible to corruption. Sometimes disks come
>> > from
>> > the factory with defects. Other times there are write errors or layer
>> > corruptions caused by Sharpie pens or adhesive labels after rendering.
> No
>> > matter which media format you use to secure your backups, make sure to
>> > test
>> > BEFORE you need a rescue disk!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > --Nancy O.
>> > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
>> > www.alt-web.com
>> >
>> >
>> > <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> > news:fmjder$76u10@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
>> >> Thanks Nancy,
>> >>
>> >> One thing I would add, back up your data on DVDs not CDs.
>> >> CDs are good for 5 years, DVDs 100 years.
>> >>
>> >> On the other hand, the CD will probably outlive the web site.
>> >>
>> >> Rich
>> >>
>> >> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:fmj06c$5644@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> >> > <Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site
> from
>> >> > either file type.>
>> >> >
>> >> > True if you are on the same computer. But Nod files don't work well
>> > when
>> >> > moved from one PC to another because they point to assets contained
> on
>> > the
>> >> > previous hard drive. When moving a site to another work computer,
> it's
>> >> > much
>> >> > easier to work from your Template.
>> >> >
>> >> > I Export site to Template after every big editing session and upload
>> >> > the
>> >> > zip
>> >> > file to my remote server. In addition, I keep several templates on
> CD
>> > or
>> >> > external HDs. They have saved my butt more than once.
>> >> >
>> >> > --Nancy O.
>> >> > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
>> >> > www.alt-web.com
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > <nowak@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:fmir80$6811@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> >> >> I've exported templates and I've saved the .nod file.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Fusion10 has no problem (as far as I know) in recreating the site
> from
>> >> >> either file type.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The template file size is ~15% bigger than the .nod file.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is one method preferred over the other? Why?
>> >> >> I thought that backing up sites using templates may be less
> sensitive
>> >> > across
>> >> >> versions of NOF, but I don't really know.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks in advance,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rich
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>