When a real NOF Forum? PLEASE PLEASE...

[Garret Mott]

Your tone is interesting....

> WoW! It's totally terrifying!
>
> Everyone here plays with the web and only one person is in agreement with
> my opinion.

So - you're right & we're wrong? Good to know <g>

> NOF's customers are not necessarily gods of NET.

Ahh - I understand - you are. I should've recognized you! <vbg>

> Do not remain in some old positions just because it's like this and not
> otherwise!

As several have said - many of us happen to like this format. The idea of
watching multiple on-line forums is (IMHO) the nightmare. With a NG, I can
watch the 15 I watch far, far more easily (as Charles described). I will
not monitor 15 web forums.

Stephen's comment that dumping the NG & going to the web wouldn't change
things is simply not true. I bet many who watch this group along with
others would do far less watching were it available only as an on-line
forum.

However - the suggestion Charles made (newsgrouphosting.com) is the best
I've heard - then everyone gets what they want & no one has to say "My way
is right & yours is wrong".

Another 2 cents worth....

Garret Mott

Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com

[Mike Coombes]

XSNET wrote:
> a newsgroup is really not attractive nor pleasant to read, let alone
> to see.
Is he saying we're unattractive and unpleasant?

[XSNET]

<<Is he saying (Pascal / XSNET)we're unattractive and unpleasant? >>
O Thanx Mike :-))))))))
I'm not alone in this prehistoric Newsgroup...
It's a pleasure to be 3, only !

Pascal

[Murray Eisenberg]

It's a lot easier to search a web-based forum than a newsgroup that I'm
reading inside a client such as Thunderbird -- at least if the message
header has been cleared out from the client, as one must absolutely do
from time to time.

I would MUCH prefer a web-based forum!

Stephen Caudill wrote:
> If WP killed this newsgroup and changed over to a web-based forum, the
> information and support would be exactly the same. Same people. Same
> information. Same bunch of super cool Fusion users that have helped me
> greatly over the years :-)
>
> Unless I totally missed the point...
> -sc
>
>
> Michelle wrote:
>> I agree with Pascal. This "newsgroup" is virtually useless. I NEVER
>> find anything helpful here. There are forums for all the other
>> software I use and it's nearly always easy to find an answer to your
>> problems/questions.
>>
>> There's a reason so many companies use forums as opposed to
>> newsgroups!!!!!!!!!!! They're BETTER!
>> Mich
>> "Garret Mott" <Garret_at_AutoMateSoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
>> news:fod0gc$bji4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>> Well said Nancy.
>>>
>>> It also has the advantage (if one uses Outlook Express, Thunderbird,
>>> or some such) of being right there in front of you. This means that
>>> more people are likely to see a post & therefore respond. I know I
>>> would monitor a NG that was only on the web far less (not that I'm a
>>> major contributor ;-).
>>>
>>> If you can't run Outlook or Outlook Express (it's included with XP),
>>> Thunderbird is free & handles NG's very well. You can get Windows
>>> LiveMail for Vista (free also), but I found it awkward to set up &
>>> even more so to use.
>>>
>>> Garret Mott
>>>
>>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
>>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
>>>
>>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
>>> news:focvag$bji2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>> Use NNTP (Network News Transfer Protocol) instead of the browser-based
>>>> version. I think your experience will be more enjoyable. NNTP is the
>>>> predominant protocol used by computer clients and servers for
>>>> managing the
>>>> notes posted on Usenet newsgroups. I use Outlook Express as my news
>>>> reader.
>>>> Very easy to use. You can search newsgroups by keywords, subjects or
>>>> individual posters.
>>>>
>>>> How to subscribe to newsgroups in Outlook Express:
>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --Nancy O.
>>>> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
>>>> www.alt-web.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "XSNET" <pyap@xtraweb-solutions.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:foctei$amg2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>>> Morming,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I post here because I do not know where talking about this!
>>>>>
>>>>> I turn around this very old NewsGroup since many and many years
>>>>> (since NOF 4.0 in fact)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, you Support Team, can you make something more usefull than an
>>>>> Old Technologie like this deprecated NewsGroup.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are billion free ultra powerfull Forums now...
>>>>>
>>>>> Personnally i use SMF since two or three years with a lot of
>>>>> satisfaction. (for a Software support)
>>>>> A forum is very usefull to find some informations (by keywords) or
>>>>> classify informations or users.
>>>>> It's extremely easy to start and it's much more aesthetic than a
>>>>> newsgroup dated neanderthal!
>>>>>
>>>>> Please make a small effort for all of us, your loyal customers. Please
>>>>> forward this complaint to your superiors.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are in 2008 you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanx
>>>>>
>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>
>>>>> ps: sorry for my poor english, it's my mother language :-))
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>

--
Murray Eisenberg murray@math.umass.edu
Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H)
University of Massachusetts 413 545-2859 (W)
710 North Pleasant Street fax 413 545-1801
Amherst, MA 01003-9305

[Nancy O]

Murray,
Go to www.GotFusion.com and use the web-based NetObjects forums.

I think this group would suffer from the lose of several people (myself
included) if it went to web-based only format. There are a handful of
web-based forums I would happily monitor regularly if they were available on
NNTP - but they're not, so I don't.

--Nancy O.
Alt-Web Design & Publishing
www.alt-web.com



"Murray Eisenberg" <murray@math.umass.edu> wrote in message
news:fog05t$lrn3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> It's a lot easier to search a web-based forum than a newsgroup that I'm
> reading inside a client such as Thunderbird -- at least if the message
> header has been cleared out from the client, as one must absolutely do
> from time to time.
>
> I would MUCH prefer a web-based forum!
>
> Stephen Caudill wrote:
> > If WP killed this newsgroup and changed over to a web-based forum, the
> > information and support would be exactly the same. Same people. Same
> > information. Same bunch of super cool Fusion users that have helped me
> > greatly over the years :-)
> >
> > Unless I totally missed the point...
> > -sc
> >
> >
> > Michelle wrote:
> >> I agree with Pascal. This "newsgroup" is virtually useless. I NEVER
> >> find anything helpful here. There are forums for all the other
> >> software I use and it's nearly always easy to find an answer to your
> >> problems/questions.
> >>
> >> There's a reason so many companies use forums as opposed to
> >> newsgroups!!!!!!!!!!! They're BETTER!
> >> Mich
> >> "Garret Mott" <Garret_at_AutoMateSoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
> >> news:fod0gc$bji4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> >>> Well said Nancy.
> >>>
> >>> It also has the advantage (if one uses Outlook Express, Thunderbird,
> >>> or some such) of being right there in front of you. This means that
> >>> more people are likely to see a post & therefore respond. I know I
> >>> would monitor a NG that was only on the web far less (not that I'm a
> >>> major contributor ;-).
> >>>
> >>> If you can't run Outlook or Outlook Express (it's included with XP),
> >>> Thunderbird is free & handles NG's very well. You can get Windows
> >>> LiveMail for Vista (free also), but I found it awkward to set up &
> >>> even more so to use.
> >>>
> >>> Garret Mott
> >>>
> >>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
> >>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
> >>>
> >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:focvag$bji2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> >>>> Use NNTP (Network News Transfer Protocol) instead of the
browser-based
> >>>> version. I think your experience will be more enjoyable. NNTP is
the
> >>>> predominant protocol used by computer clients and servers for
> >>>> managing the
> >>>> notes posted on Usenet newsgroups. I use Outlook Express as my news
> >>>> reader.
> >>>> Very easy to use. You can search newsgroups by keywords, subjects or
> >>>> individual posters.
> >>>>
> >>>> How to subscribe to newsgroups in Outlook Express:
> >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --Nancy O.
> >>>> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
> >>>> www.alt-web.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "XSNET" <pyap@xtraweb-solutions.net> wrote in message
> >>>> news:foctei$amg2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> >>>>> Morming,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I post here because I do not know where talking about this!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I turn around this very old NewsGroup since many and many years
> >>>>> (since NOF 4.0 in fact)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please, you Support Team, can you make something more usefull than
an
> >>>>> Old Technologie like this deprecated NewsGroup.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are billion free ultra powerfull Forums now...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personnally i use SMF since two or three years with a lot of
> >>>>> satisfaction. (for a Software support)
> >>>>> A forum is very usefull to find some informations (by keywords) or
> >>>>> classify informations or users.
> >>>>> It's extremely easy to start and it's much more aesthetic than a
> >>>>> newsgroup dated neanderthal!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please make a small effort for all of us, your loyal customers.
Please
> >>>>> forward this complaint to your superiors.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We are in 2008 you know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanx
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pascal
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ps: sorry for my poor english, it's my mother language :-))
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>
> --
> Murray Eisenberg murray@math.umass.edu
> Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
> Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H)
> University of Massachusetts 413 545-2859 (W)
> 710 North Pleasant Street fax 413 545-1801
> Amherst, MA 01003-9305

[Michelle]

This sounds like an outstanding solution! Does anyone from NOF read these
messages so this option can be evaluated?
Michelle

"Charles Edmonds" <cje_ByteMeSpammers_@lansrad.com> wrote in message
news:rsp0d3b04p4$.kbjypla11trs$.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 13:13:08 -0800, Nancy O wrote:
>
>> To each his/her own. I find most Web-based forums are clumsy and slow.
>> I
>> really like this Newsgroup. I've gotten lots of help here. When Adobe
>> attempted to move their highly popular Dreamweaver usenet group to a
>> web-based-only forum, people went ballistic. Adobe then switched it back
>> to
>> permit NNTP access. This system works just fine for me.
>
> The best solution would be to use a service like www.newsgrouphosting.com
>
> Then the same content would be available via nntp, web forums and all
> flavors of RSS/Atom feeds.
>
>
> As Nancy says, to each their own, but for anyone who monitors a lot of
> different newsgroups (I monitor about 50), NNTP is MUCH more efficient
> because I can load the newsreader, click one button and see all new posts
> across 50 newsgroups.
>
> This takes seconds to check all 50.
>
> There is no way I would (or could) do this with web forums.
>
>
> As far as searching goes - nothing beats having your own newsreader (with
> a
> good search capability).
>
> Again you can search across multiple groups and also in archived content.
>
>
> Almost all web forums eventually expire data. If it is on your PC (and
> drive space is cheap), you can keep it as long as you like.
>
>
> The only time web forums ever appealed to me was years ago when I was
> doing
> onsite service (because I could access my groups from a customer PC).
>
> Just my $.02
>
> ;-)
>
> Charles
>
>
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Charles Edmonds
> cje_ByteMeSpammers_@lansrad.com (remove the _ByteMeSpammers_ to email me)
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[Charles Edmonds]

On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:41:54 -0500, Michelle wrote:

> This sounds like an outstanding solution! Does anyone from NOF read these
> messages so this option can be evaluated?

Hi Michelle,

I don't know if it has ever been seriously considered or not. I've been
suggesting the service for a few years now (since we started using it) and
have sent an email or two to WSP during that timeframe, but here we are...

OTOH maybe what WSP needs is enough emails from folks interested in that
option to let them know to seriously consider the option.


The Newsgrouphosting.com solution is dead nuts simple to implement and with
a simple DNS entry at the data center where their webserver is hosted it
would still be accessible as news.netobjects.com

The service has been quite reliable (almost zero down time) and we've been
quite happy with it.

;-)

Charles




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www.pagesnip.com - "Print and Save the Web, just the way you want it!"
www.clarionproseries.com - "Serious imaging tools for Clarion Developers"
www.ezround.com - "Round Corner HTML tables with matching Banners, Buttons
and Forms!"
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www.fotokiss.com - "World's Best Auction Photo Editor"
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[Murray Eisenberg]

But that forum doesn't have the same content as what's here, does it?

Nancy O wrote:
> Murray,
> Go to www.GotFusion.com and use the web-based NetObjects forums.
>
> I think this group would suffer from the lose of several people (myself
> included) if it went to web-based only format. There are a handful of
> web-based forums I would happily monitor regularly if they were available on
> NNTP - but they're not, so I don't.
>
> --Nancy O.
> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
> www.alt-web.com
>
>
>
> "Murray Eisenberg" <murray@math.umass.edu> wrote in message
> news:fog05t$lrn3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> It's a lot easier to search a web-based forum than a newsgroup that I'm
>> reading inside a client such as Thunderbird -- at least if the message
>> header has been cleared out from the client, as one must absolutely do
>> from time to time.
>>
>> I would MUCH prefer a web-based forum!
>>
>> Stephen Caudill wrote:
>>> If WP killed this newsgroup and changed over to a web-based forum, the
>>> information and support would be exactly the same. Same people. Same
>>> information. Same bunch of super cool Fusion users that have helped me
>>> greatly over the years :-)
>>>
>>> Unless I totally missed the point...
>>> -sc
>>>
>>>
>>> Michelle wrote:
>>>> I agree with Pascal. This "newsgroup" is virtually useless. I NEVER
>>>> find anything helpful here. There are forums for all the other
>>>> software I use and it's nearly always easy to find an answer to your
>>>> problems/questions.
>>>>
>>>> There's a reason so many companies use forums as opposed to
>>>> newsgroups!!!!!!!!!!! They're BETTER!
>>>> Mich
>>>> "Garret Mott" <Garret_at_AutoMateSoftware_dot_com> wrote in message
>>>> news:fod0gc$bji4@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>>> Well said Nancy.
>>>>>
>>>>> It also has the advantage (if one uses Outlook Express, Thunderbird,
>>>>> or some such) of being right there in front of you. This means that
>>>>> more people are likely to see a post & therefore respond. I know I
>>>>> would monitor a NG that was only on the web far less (not that I'm a
>>>>> major contributor ;-).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't run Outlook or Outlook Express (it's included with XP),
>>>>> Thunderbird is free & handles NG's very well. You can get Windows
>>>>> LiveMail for Vista (free also), but I found it awkward to set up &
>>>>> even more so to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Garret Mott
>>>>>
>>>>> Auto-Mate Software www.automatesoftware.com
>>>>> Northeast DataFlex Consortium www.nedataflex.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:focvag$bji2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>>>> Use NNTP (Network News Transfer Protocol) instead of the
> browser-based
>>>>>> version. I think your experience will be more enjoyable. NNTP is
> the
>>>>>> predominant protocol used by computer clients and servers for
>>>>>> managing the
>>>>>> notes posted on Usenet newsgroups. I use Outlook Express as my news
>>>>>> reader.
>>>>>> Very easy to use. You can search newsgroups by keywords, subjects or
>>>>>> individual posters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How to subscribe to newsgroups in Outlook Express:
>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/171190
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Nancy O.
>>>>>> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
>>>>>> www.alt-web.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "XSNET" <pyap@xtraweb-solutions.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:foctei$amg2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>>>>> Morming,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I post here because I do not know where talking about this!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I turn around this very old NewsGroup since many and many years
>>>>>>> (since NOF 4.0 in fact)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, you Support Team, can you make something more usefull than
> an
>>>>>>> Old Technologie like this deprecated NewsGroup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are billion free ultra powerfull Forums now...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personnally i use SMF since two or three years with a lot of
>>>>>>> satisfaction. (for a Software support)
>>>>>>> A forum is very usefull to find some informations (by keywords) or
>>>>>>> classify informations or users.
>>>>>>> It's extremely easy to start and it's much more aesthetic than a
>>>>>>> newsgroup dated neanderthal!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please make a small effort for all of us, your loyal customers.
> Please
>>>>>>> forward this complaint to your superiors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are in 2008 you know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ps: sorry for my poor english, it's my mother language :-))
>>>>
>> --
>> Murray Eisenberg murray@math.umass.edu
>> Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
>> Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H)
>> University of Massachusetts 413 545-2859 (W)
>> 710 North Pleasant Street fax 413 545-1801
>> Amherst, MA 01003-9305
>
>

--
Murray Eisenberg murray@math.umass.edu
Mathematics & Statistics Dept.
Lederle Graduate Research Tower phone 413 549-1020 (H)
University of Massachusetts 413 545-2859 (W)
710 North Pleasant Street fax 413 545-1801
Amherst, MA 01003-9305

..
Yes, it is an exact mirror of all nntp NetO groups starting at Version MX (6) up to the current version (10).

You can use the google/Usenet archives to search version 8 and earlier posts.

http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?sel=33600670

Unfortunately WSP has not submitted version 9 or version 10 to them to be archived.

Mike


Murray Eisenberg said:

| But that forum doesn't have the same content as what's here, does
| it?
|
| Nancy O wrote:
|| Murray,
|| Go to www.GotFusion.com and use the web-based NetObjects forums.

[Micah Klesick \(www.learnNOF.com\)]

I prefer a web based forum, but I also see the advantages of a Newsgroup. I
doubt WSP will ever create a forum, so that is why I created mine (TheBox
mentioned it earler, www.forums.learnNOF.com).
It is personal preference.

--
Micah Klesick
www.learnNOF.com
Flash video and PDF tutorials on
NetObjects Fusion
--
For a Forum on NOF versions 8-10 go to
www.learnNOF.com/index.php
--

"XSNET" <pyap@xtraweb-solutions.net> wrote in message
news:47AA3D2A.5000400@xtraweb-solutions.net...
> Hum !
>
> WoW! It's totally terrifying!
>
> Everyone here plays with the web and only one person is in agreement with
> my opinion. (Thanks michelle)
> How can you compare ergonomics pleasing in a web forum and a too oldest
> newsgroup! It's enough...
>
> In addition, a newsgroup is really not attractive nor pleasant to read,
> let alone to see.
>
> NOF's customers are not necessarily gods of NET. Many and many ignore
> RSS/Atom that meaning, yet each of them using a web browser.
> Not let us stay and go backward, and go forward.
> Do not remain in some old positions just because it's like this and not
> otherwise!
>
> I bet that ten dollars the idea of a forum may attract a lot of new NOF
> users.
> At the same time, I am sure that many would never post here ...
> For example, how much have you registered users? Did you not want to
> multiply this number by 500?
> I am very disappointed by the responses that I can read.
>
> Finally I want to sponsor you for a web 1gb and install for you a brand
> new forum ... But perhaps WebSites PRO knows how to acomplish this ! ;-))
>
> Cheers
>
> Pascal