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  1. #61
    Leroy Schulz
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    Default Re: NOF 11 - pricing

    > I'd love to help. but there are only 40 hours in a day!

    What a cop out. <g>

    [L]



    "Charles Edmonds" <cje_ByteMeSpammers_@lansrad.com> wrote in message
    news:18pokyzfqn98r$.2hrm9qfxrhp4.dlg@40tude.net...
    > On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:09:23 -0600, Leroy Schulz wrote:
    >
    >>> Does that help?

    >> It answers my question, but it doesn't get me through my to-do list.

    >
    > I was in a quandary as to whether to read "War and Peace" or "My ToDo
    > List".
    >
    > I elected to go with the shorter of the two.
    >
    > War and Peace is not too bad<g>.
    >
    >> Saaaay, I hear you never sleep. If you have nothing else to do... <G>

    >
    > LOL - I'd love to help. but there are only 40 hours in a day!
    >
    > ;-)
    >
    > Charles
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  2. #62
    Charles Edmonds
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    Default Re: NOF 11 - pricing

    On Sat, 31 May 2008 13:41:14 -0600, Leroy Schulz wrote:

    >> I'd love to help. but there are only 40 hours in a day!

    > What a cop out. <g>


    Busted!

    ;-)

    Charles


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  3. #63
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF 11

    I am afraid that this is the best that code writers can do with CSS.

    Derek wrote:
    > Nancy,
    >
    > Just had a look at one of my pages generated with Semantic XHTML. Looks
    > like it's mostly relative (nested divs rather than nested tables - at
    > least it's easier to read) with some absolutes. None of the divs appear
    > to carry an id attribute by default and several go by default (no class,
    > inline style declarations). So not quite Zen Garden territory yet
    > (http://www.csszengarden.com/ for those that haven't seen what can be
    > achieved).
    >
    > Some extracts from the fusion.css file (the nof-positioning class seems
    > to be popular):
    >
    > .nof-positioning {
    > margin: 0;
    > padding: 0;
    > border: 0;
    > background: transparent;
    > font-weight: inherit;
    > font-style: inherit;
    > font-size: 100%;
    > font-family: inherit;
    > }
    >
    > .NavBar_ul {
    > position: relative;
    > margin: 0px;
    > padding: 0px;
    > }
    > .NavBar_li {
    > position: absolute;
    > margin: 0px;
    > padding: 0px;
    > list-style: none;
    > }
    > .NavBar_a {
    > margin: 0px;
    > padding: 0px;
    > cursor: pointer;
    > text-decoration: none;
    > display: block;
    > }
    >
    >
    > Nancy O wrote:
    >> Does 11 produce absolutely positioned or relative positioned CSS divs?
    >>
    >>
    >> --Nancy O.
    >> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    >> www.alt-web.com
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Chuck «BeyondFusion»" <supportno@spambeyondfusion.com> wrote in message
    >> news:g1koib$q11@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
    >>> Hey, Karl!
    >>>
    >>> Yes, 11 can do XHTML with CSS for positioning DIVs. As one option.
    >>>
    >>> I'd recommend using it for new sites only. Imported sites will be mostly

    >> ok,
    >>> but if the site came from pre-9.1, some simplifications may be needed
    >>> if a
    >>> lot of nested tables were used originally.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Chuck Joslin
    >>> BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    >>> www.beyondfusion.com
    >>>
    >>> Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com
    >>>
    >>> "Karl Strieby" <karlDOTstrieby@kDASHcDASHp.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:g1knjo$std11@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com. ..
    >>>> Chuck «BeyondFusion» wrote:
    >>>>> Derek,
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Only the ESD version is available at the moment.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Boxed won't be available until late June.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> AJAX isn't rocket science. 11 has a lot of positive improvements over

    >> 10.
    >>>>> It's very fast and the design view interface has some solid new

    >> features
    >>>>> that make the program a pleasure to work with.
    >>>>>
    >>>> Hi Chuck, long time no type :-).
    >>>>
    >>>> Does NOF 11 allow CSS-driven table-free layout, or is it still
    >>>> table-bound? (I suspect not, otherwise it probably would have been
    >>>> mentioned in the "what's new" page on the NetObjects web site...)
    >>>>
    >>>> Cheers,
    >>>> Karl

    >>
    >>


  4. #64
    William Patterson
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF 11 - Looking forward to greatness!

    My two cents worth; I have been using NOF since the beginning and have been
    able to produce some nice sites and been able to support several non-profits
    etc.. In my business dealings outside of my web business I have had to
    learn and use Dreamweaver over the various versions. Had recently thought
    because of 508 compliancy issues that getting rid of table based sites would
    be having to re-build all my sites using Dreamweaver so I could use CSS and
    dump the tables. In reading all the great attributes that 11 seems to have
    I may change my mind and see what it can do in taking what I have worked on
    over the years and getting the tables removed.
    I have always been impressed with the quick and intuitive way NOF allowed
    web sites to be built. I basically learned the web business using NOF and
    still use it for "show and tell" when a client is trying to decide on a look
    and feel. Sometimes depending on their needs I use DW to finish the site
    because they needed the site without tables and because there where
    applications that just did not run very well inside of NOF.
    I am excited to try the new version to see what it can do with my old sites
    and new ones.
    Thanks again for the discussion groups. Without them I'm not sure I would
    have been successful in a lot of my sites. There are so many smart people
    out there who are willing to share their knowledge. CHEERS!!
    "Leroy Schulz" <mail@frostbytes.ca> wrote in message
    news:g1pp7f$hqt5@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Excellent. Thanks for the commentary.
    >
    > [L]
    >
    >
    >
    > "Charles Edmonds" <cje_ByteMeSpammers_@lansrad.com> wrote in message
    > news:15sxira3wlwis$.31h0b9ptxxk5$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
    >> On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:09:06 -0600, Leroy Schulz wrote:
    >>
    >>>> IMHO it is the most positive step forward that the company has taken in
    >>>> years.
    >>>
    >>> What sorts of improvements stand out to you?

    >>
    >> The ability to generate XHTML is a big one.
    >>
    >> Since that also generates a correct DOCTYPE, all sorts of scripts and
    >> things that weren't quite right for me in earlier versions now work fine.
    >>
    >> The MLR (Multiple Layout Region) features are very cool. This brings
    >> jQuery Accordion Panels, and tabs (just to name a couple) into play.
    >> Again
    >> - very cool and very state of the art.
    >>
    >> Being able to hook up to an XML data source for these is also very cool
    >> (that should strike a chord with you - think NetTalk).
    >>
    >> The new interface is faster and seems quite solid.
    >>
    >> I've been an NOF user since day one.
    >>
    >> But my primary platform was always V7.5. V10 (with all the updates) was
    >> a
    >> nice step forward, but V11 outshines it in a lot of ways as far as I am
    >> concerned.
    >>
    >> My feelings are that if V11 is this good "out of the box" that it will
    >> continue to evolve into a serious contender for web design tools.
    >>
    >> There will always be those purists who feel the need to get their fingers
    >> dirty with a full on source view product like Dreamweaver. But IMHO
    >> there
    >> are a lot more web designers out there who simply want a good solid tool
    >> that is fast and easy to learn - and that just works well. NOF has
    >> always
    >> been a good choice in that regard, but has taken some heat for still
    >> using
    >> table based layouts and not having all the modern bells and whistles.
    >>
    >> V11 is changing all that and so far is proving itself to be quite capable
    >> of holding it's own in the modern web design tool market.
    >>
    >> ;-)
    >>
    >> Charles
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >> Charles Edmonds
    >> cje_ByteMeSpammers_@lansrad.com (remove the _ByteMeSpammers_ to email
    >> me)
    >> www.pagesnip.com - "Print and Save the Web, just the way you want it!"
    >> www.clarionproseries.com - "Serious imaging tools for Clarion Developers"
    >> www.ezround.com - "Round Corner HTML tables with matching Banners,
    >> Buttons
    >> and Forms!"
    >> www.lansrad.com - "Intelligent Solutions for Universal Problems"
    >> www.fotokiss.com - "World's Best Auction Photo Editor"
    >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    >




  5. #65
    Richard Wayne Garganta
    Guest

    Default Re: NOF 11 - Looking forward to greatness!

    That being said understand that the way code writers implement CSS is to
    have what is called "div mania". In essence all the tables, rows and
    cells are replaced with div tags which is NOT what real CSS is all
    about. This "div mania" still creates code bloat but appears to be the
    best that code writers can do. It is a step up but not true CSS layout
    as it is supposed to be.

    William Patterson wrote:
    > My two cents worth; I have been using NOF since the beginning and have been
    > able to produce some nice sites and been able to support several non-profits
    > etc.. In my business dealings outside of my web business I have had to
    > learn and use Dreamweaver over the various versions. Had recently thought
    > because of 508 compliancy issues that getting rid of table based sites would
    > be having to re-build all my sites using Dreamweaver so I could use CSS and
    > dump the tables. In reading all the great attributes that 11 seems to have
    > I may change my mind and see what it can do in taking what I have worked on
    > over the years and getting the tables removed.
    > I have always been impressed with the quick and intuitive way NOF allowed
    > web sites to be built. I basically learned the web business using NOF and
    > still use it for "show and tell" when a client is trying to decide on a look
    > and feel. Sometimes depending on their needs I use DW to finish the site
    > because they needed the site without tables and because there where
    > applications that just did not run very well inside of NOF.
    > I am excited to try the new version to see what it can do with my old sites
    > and new ones.
    > Thanks again for the discussion groups. Without them I'm not sure I would
    > have been successful in a lot of my sites. There are so many smart people
    > out there who are willing to share their knowledge. CHEERS!!
    > "Leroy Schulz" <mail@frostbytes.ca> wrote in message
    > news:g1pp7f$hqt5@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> Excellent. Thanks for the commentary.
    >>
    >> [L]
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> "Charles Edmonds" <cje_ByteMeSpammers_@lansrad.com> wrote in message
    >> news:15sxira3wlwis$.31h0b9ptxxk5$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
    >>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:09:06 -0600, Leroy Schulz wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>> IMHO it is the most positive step forward that the company has taken in
    >>>>> years.
    >>>> What sorts of improvements stand out to you?
    >>> The ability to generate XHTML is a big one.
    >>>
    >>> Since that also generates a correct DOCTYPE, all sorts of scripts and
    >>> things that weren't quite right for me in earlier versions now work fine.
    >>>
    >>> The MLR (Multiple Layout Region) features are very cool. This brings
    >>> jQuery Accordion Panels, and tabs (just to name a couple) into play.
    >>> Again
    >>> - very cool and very state of the art.
    >>>
    >>> Being able to hook up to an XML data source for these is also very cool
    >>> (that should strike a chord with you - think NetTalk).
    >>>
    >>> The new interface is faster and seems quite solid.
    >>>
    >>> I've been an NOF user since day one.
    >>>
    >>> But my primary platform was always V7.5. V10 (with all the updates) was
    >>> a
    >>> nice step forward, but V11 outshines it in a lot of ways as far as I am
    >>> concerned.
    >>>
    >>> My feelings are that if V11 is this good "out of the box" that it will
    >>> continue to evolve into a serious contender for web design tools.
    >>>
    >>> There will always be those purists who feel the need to get their fingers
    >>> dirty with a full on source view product like Dreamweaver. But IMHO
    >>> there
    >>> are a lot more web designers out there who simply want a good solid tool
    >>> that is fast and easy to learn - and that just works well. NOF has
    >>> always
    >>> been a good choice in that regard, but has taken some heat for still
    >>> using
    >>> table based layouts and not having all the modern bells and whistles.
    >>>
    >>> V11 is changing all that and so far is proving itself to be quite capable
    >>> of holding it's own in the modern web design tool market.
    >>>
    >>> ;-)
    >>>
    >>> Charles
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    >>> Charles Edmonds
    >>> cje_ByteMeSpammers_@lansrad.com (remove the _ByteMeSpammers_ to email
    >>> me)
    >>> www.pagesnip.com - "Print and Save the Web, just the way you want it!"
    >>> www.clarionproseries.com - "Serious imaging tools for Clarion Developers"
    >>> www.ezround.com - "Round Corner HTML tables with matching Banners,
    >>> Buttons
    >>> and Forms!"
    >>> www.lansrad.com - "Intelligent Solutions for Universal Problems"
    >>> www.fotokiss.com - "World's Best Auction Photo Editor"
    >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    >
    >


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