NOFv11 not ready for prime time

[LBA]

And you actually think people in this NG are old enough to know who
Mighty Mouse is?
(Here I come to say the daaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!)

Laurence


Charles Edmonds wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:04:27 -0500, Garret Mott wrote:
>
> > And here I was figuring it was the royal "we". You mean you *don't* have a
> > mouse in your pocket? <vbg>
>
> LOL - not even Mighty Mouse<g>
>
> :-)
>
> Charles
>
>
>

[Garret Mott]

Hey - I resemble that remark!

Now - can you go back to Tom Terrific & his mighty dog _____________ (Yes,
it's a quiz)

;-)

"LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
news:gm8als$cfi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> And you actually think people in this NG are old enough to know who Mighty
> Mouse is? (Here I come to say the daaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!)
>
> Laurence
>
>
> Charles Edmonds wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:04:27 -0500, Garret Mott wrote:
>>
>> > And here I was figuring it was the royal "we". You mean you *don't*
>> > have a mouse in your pocket? <vbg>
>>
>> LOL - not even Mighty Mouse<g>
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>

[LBA]

Too easy. Manfred. Didn't even have to Google it. (I hate that I know
that.)

Laurence


Garret Mott wrote:
> Hey - I resemble that remark!
>
> Now - can you go back to Tom Terrific & his mighty dog _____________
> (Yes, it's a quiz)
>
> ;-)
>
> "LBA" <webdesigns@no2spamabramsnet.com> wrote in message
> news:gm8als$cfi1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> And you actually think people in this NG are old enough to know who
>> Mighty Mouse is? (Here I come to say the daaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!)
>>
>> Laurence
>>
>>
>> Charles Edmonds wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:04:27 -0500, Garret Mott wrote:
>>>
>>> > And here I was figuring it was the royal "we". You mean you
>>> *don't* > have a mouse in your pocket? <vbg>
>>>
>>> LOL - not even Mighty Mouse<g>
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

[David Goadby]

Ken Adam wrote:
> Boris,
> I've had the "damaged objects" message many times.
> I now keep an unused Masterborder copy of every masterborder that I use, so
> I can restore it quickly (and immediately make a new copy)
> (I'm using semantic XHTML, so it isn't a "fixed layout" issue)
>
> Most often happens on switching from Site view to page view, but I can't
> spot anything else that is common
>
> Ken
>
>
I have just started to get this problem along with the additional
message "The page is too large to be loaded..." It is driving me nuts.

So Ken, how exactly do you save a copy of the masterborder?

I will also look to see if I am using fixed layouts. I think I have
some fixed text areas but, reading this newsgroup, I am not alone in
being annoyed about this problem.

David Goadby

[Charles Edmonds]

On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:37:46 -0800, LBA wrote:

> And you actually think people in this NG are old enough to know who
> Mighty Mouse is?
> (Here I come to say the daaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!)

More than a few of us I suspect<g>

Reminds me of this joke I was sent the other day...



With age comes wisdom.

A guy is 72 years old and loves to fish.

He was sitting in his boat the other day

when he heard a voice say,

'Pick me up.'

He looked around and couldn't see any one.

He thought he was dreaming when he heard the voice say a gain,

'Pick me up.'

He looked in the water and there, floating on the top, was a frog.

The man said, 'Are you talking to me?'

The frog said, 'Yes, I'm talking to you.

Pick me up then, kiss me and I'll turn into the most beautiful woman you
have ever seen.

I'll make sure that all your friends are envious and jealous because I will
be your bride!'

The man looked at the frog for a short time, reached over, picked it up
carefully, and placed it in his front breast pocket.

Then the frog said, 'What, are you nuts? Didn't you hear what I said?

I said kiss me and I will be your beautiful bride.'

He opened his pocket, looked at the frog and said,

'Nah, at my age I'd rather have a talking frog.'


With age comes wisdom.


:-)

Charles


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[Ken Adam]

"David Goadby" <dg@pixel-plus.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gm8l8o$cfi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
> Ken Adam wrote:
> So Ken, how exactly do you save a copy of the masterborder?
David,
Just create a new masterborder based on each of your existing ones and name
it something obvious
(e.g. DefaultMasterBorder -> DefaultMasterBorderCopy) and DON'T USE IT.
when I get the problem, only one of the used masterborders has been trashed,
so in Site View I select all the pages using that border,
and set them all to the "Copy", delete the trashed one, rename the copy to
the original, and then make a new copy.
Much quicker than trying to re-create the borders (but you do need to
remember to update the copy after any changes!)
--
Regards,
Ken
WebShapeShop - http://www.akadamia.co.uk/html/downloads.html

[Boris]

Hello All,

Cant' believe what I started (LOL!)

I/we/me might have a solution. The error shows up (most of the time) when
you try to preview. If you go back to design, everything is still there. I
then Export to a template ( Guess you can see where that is leading).
Lastly I then start a new version using that template. Everything seems to
be there and you continue on. Not pretty but gets the job done. Didn't
get that error back yet, after adding a few more objects.

Also the reason I'm using Fixed Layout was I thought a switch would keep it
more stable.

Hope someone from NOF is monitoring for this can get annoying. Just lucky
that can recover from it with out much re-doing work.

Cheers.




"Ken Adam" <codegear@NOTakadamia.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gm9dku$g0q1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>
> "David Goadby" <dg@pixel-plus.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:gm8l8o$cfi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> Ken Adam wrote:
>> So Ken, how exactly do you save a copy of the masterborder?
> David,
> Just create a new masterborder based on each of your existing ones and
> name it something obvious
> (e.g. DefaultMasterBorder -> DefaultMasterBorderCopy) and DON'T USE IT.
> when I get the problem, only one of the used masterborders has been
> trashed, so in Site View I select all the pages using that border,
> and set them all to the "Copy", delete the trashed one, rename the copy to
> the original, and then make a new copy.
> Much quicker than trying to re-create the borders (but you do need to
> remember to update the copy after any changes!)
> --
> Regards,
> Ken
> WebShapeShop - http://www.akadamia.co.uk/html/downloads.html
>
>

[Mark]

Boris wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Cant' believe what I started (LOL!)
>
> I/we/me might have a solution. The error shows up (most of the time) when
> you try to preview. If you go back to design, everything is still there. I
> then Export to a template ( Guess you can see where that is leading).
> Lastly I then start a new version using that template. Everything seems to
> be there and you continue on. Not pretty but gets the job done. Didn't
> get that error back yet, after adding a few more objects.
>
> Also the reason I'm using Fixed Layout was I thought a switch would keep it
> more stable.
>
> Hope someone from NOF is monitoring for this can get annoying. Just lucky
> that can recover from it with out much re-doing work.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
>
> "Ken Adam" <codegear@NOTakadamia.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:gm9dku$g0q1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>> "David Goadby" <dg@pixel-plus.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:gm8l8o$cfi3@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>> Ken Adam wrote:
>>> So Ken, how exactly do you save a copy of the masterborder?
>> David,
>> Just create a new masterborder based on each of your existing ones and
>> name it something obvious
>> (e.g. DefaultMasterBorder -> DefaultMasterBorderCopy) and DON'T USE IT.
>> when I get the problem, only one of the used masterborders has been
>> trashed, so in Site View I select all the pages using that border,
>> and set them all to the "Copy", delete the trashed one, rename the copy to
>> the original, and then make a new copy.
>> Much quicker than trying to re-create the borders (but you do need to
>> remember to update the copy after any changes!)
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Ken
>> WebShapeShop - http://www.akadamia.co.uk/html/downloads.html
>>
>>
>
>
No one from tech support or NOF is responding to tickets I've submitted
or calls I've made many times over so I doubt they're trolling the
boards looking to help. I'm new to NOF11, I bought this software to
build my own site for a business my wife and I are opening - I thought
it would save me time and money.

For practice I built a site for my friends business during which I've
found several bugs with catalogs that I've logged without reply. I've
worked in software QA for the past 10 years and I've seen this with
startups before - just before a company tanks it kills all extraneous
expenses like tech support yet keeps sales up and running until the 11th
hour. I hope people from the company are reading this to prove me wrong
but after I called their main office and received the endless phone
transfer regarding support without a resolution I think this is the
case. Maybe they'll be bought by a competitor but in that case this will
be turned into a legacy product; in either case current owners will lose
support.

[Twayne]

Ian wrote:
> Twayne,
>
> The "We" Charles is using, I am sure is the same "WE" that I use and
> refers to the collective of his or my company not the collective of
> these news groups. It is a common term for expressing the collective
> for a company and one that I am certainly not going to stop using.
> Many people use it in these groups and it's never been
> mis-interpreted before. Would you rather he said "My company and I"
> in much the same way as the Queen in the UK refers to "My husband and
> I" Sounds a bit condescending! I think you totally over reacted
> there and (if I am correct) then I believe Charles deserves an
> apology.

Curious: NOW you have chosen to speak for Charles! Don't you consider
him capable of speaking for himself?
Were you not of a closed mind and used any people skills at all, we
might have come to an amicable solution to this issue. "We" is NOT as
you defined it to be either; you need a better dictionary if yours
relates it primarily to companies. Without clarification, the "we"
under discussion spoke for the entire group.

You (and Charles, though I intend NONE of these words for him; only you)
are certainly entitled to your own opinions, just as I am to mine.
Apparently you take pretty serious exception to something considered bad
netiquette as it was contextually stated. You are actually objecting to
saying perhaps
"In my area we do a lot of work with NOF11..." making it contextually
correct, as opposed to "We do a lot of work with NOF11" which is an
implication the "we" is "we here in this group"?
Your sarcasm is noted, along with your refusal to improve your
manners and use contextually correct language and your lack of
netiquette in this situation. Perhaps what you need is a refresher
course in Interpersonal Skills, Common Etiquette, and how to make
applicable analogies.

As much as I previously respected you and placed a lot of credibility on
your name, I see it was all misplaced and that you can actually be quite
a closed mind with little understanding of reaility at times. You have
let your position go to your head.

Based on past experience with many like you, I can almost predict every
word of what your response will be, so I am not going to participate in
any flame war and won't be reading your response, so don't waste your
ether. But also be aware that whenever I spot you speaking for me in
the way you did, you are going to have to put up with my indicating that
you do NOT speak for me.
You are a huge disappointment. You've damaged your ability to see
things clearly and thus IMO your credibility. We all have bad days but
we need to learn how to handle them "in public".

Twayne

>
>
> "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
> news:gm78c1$8002@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:25:12 -0500, Boris wrote:
>>>
>>>> It seems to happen more in this version often where I
>>>> get the "Damaged objects have been found on the page and
>>>> have been deleted" message when trying to Preview it or
>>>> Publish. In one case (see attachment) I have the
>>>> following setup:
>>>>
>>>> - zero margin page with background colour set
>>>> - Fixed page layout
>>>> - 1 Picture Object
>>>>
>>>> That's it! Basically one page & One object. I have
>>>> tried to optimize, same error. What I found usually
>>>> works most times is to export as a template and then
>>>> start a new version by importing.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody else experience that?
>>>
>>> Boris,
>>>
>>> We do a lot of work with NOF11, some of it with zero
>>> margins, but we never use fixed layout as it does NOT
>>> render well across all browsers.
>>>
>>> I don't know if this makes a difference to your problem
>>> or not, but we have never experienced the error you are
>>> reporting.
>>>
>>> Do you have the update to V11 applied?
>>>
>>>
>>> Charles
>>
>> Charles,
>>
>> Please do NOT use the word "we" as you just did. That includes ME
>> and I forbid anyone to speak for me! Or if it means you and another
>> user, company, whatever, please say so! Your current grammar
>> speaks for the entire group and you cannot do that.
>>
>> Twayne

[Twayne]

Chuck «BeyondFusion» wrote:
> Correct. Charles' "we" clearly meant his company, rather than
> newsgroup users en masse.

I'm curious: How so? Because YOU know? There was nothing, nada, zip to
indicate what you say.

Twayne



>
>
> "Peter Phelan" wrote in message news:1_101_2864@gfwebforum.com...
>>>> I think you totally over
>> reacted there and (if I am correct) then I believe Charles deserves
>> an apology.<<
>>
>> I agree; you are the one Twayne needing to study grammar. In no way
>> did Charles' reply indicate he was speaking on behalf of anyone, or
>> collectively,
>> for the newsgroup.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 2 2009 5:41 pm, "Ian" <ianh@1ahost.co.uk> said:
>>> Twayne,
>>>
>>> The "We" Charles is using, I am sure is the same "WE" that I use and
>>> refers
>>> to the collective of his or my company not the collective of these
>>> news groups. It is a common term for expressing the collective for
>>> a company and
>>> one that I am certainly not going to stop using. Many people use it
>>> in these
>>> groups and it's never been mis-interpreted before. Would you rather
>>> he said
>>> "My company and I" in much the same way as the Queen in the UK
>>> refers to "My
>>> husband and I" Sounds a bit condescending! I think you totally
>>> over reacted there and (if I am correct) then I believe Charles
>>> deserves an apology.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ian
>>> 1AHost
>>>
>>> Free Web Hosting - PHP & MySQL Hosting
>>> Resellers and Affiliates Schemes
>>> www.1ahost.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>> "Twayne" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gm78c1$8002@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
>>>>> On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 01:25:12 -0500, Boris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems to happen more in this version often where I
>>>>>> get the "Damaged objects have been found on the page and
>>>>>> have been deleted" message when trying to Preview it or
>>>>>> Publish. In one case (see attachment) I have the
>>>>>> following setup:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - zero margin page with background colour set
>>>>>> - Fixed page layout
>>>>>> - 1 Picture Object
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's it! Basically one page & One object. I have
>>>>>> tried to optimize, same error. What I found usually
>>>>>> works most times is to export as a template and then
>>>>>> start a new version by importing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody else experience that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Boris,
>>>>>
>>>>> We do a lot of work with NOF11, some of it with zero
>>>>> margins, but we never use fixed layout as it does NOT
>>>>> render well across all browsers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if this makes a difference to your problem
>>>>> or not, but we have never experienced the error you are
>>>>> reporting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you have the update to V11 applied?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles
>>>>
>>>> Charles,
>>>>
>>>> Please do NOT use the word "we" as you just did. That includes
>>>> ME and I
>>>> forbid anyone to speak for me! Or if it means you and another
>>>> user, company, whatever, please say so! Your current grammar
>>>> speaks for the entire group and you cannot do that.
>>>>
>>>> Twayne