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  1. #11
    Roger H
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    Hi Nancy,
    No, it is one of my oldest sites, and page one on Google as well. I must
    have started it in NOF 4. I'm always aware of bringing stuff in from Word,
    and suchlike and I don't think I've got any bad stuff. The site is
    www.investment-homes-orlando.com I don't know if this is relevant but the
    ..nod file is $29.8 MB and the local publish file is 12.1 MB. I just looked
    and the next largest site .nod is actually only 13.2 - less than half. So
    maybe it's too big? How large can Fusion handle before you need to split it
    up?

    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
    news:gm7mip$a3i2@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > <this only occurs on one site, others which are nearly as big are just
    > fine>
    >
    > That sort of narrows the problem down - don't you think? You obviously
    > have
    > something going on with this particular nod file. Either too many assets
    > for NOF to manage. Spurious code pasted into wrong parts of your
    > document.
    > MS Office junk. Bad MasterBorder.... Was this a legacy site that you
    > migrated into NOF10 or did you build this in 10 from scratch?
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > Nancy O.
    > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    > www.alt-web.com
    >
    >
    >


  2. #12
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    If you switch your site output to CSS instead of inline (HTML formatting),
    your code will be much leaner and lighter than it is now. At the moment,
    your site contains hundreds of redundant entries like these which are
    inefficient, bloated and deprecated by today's web standards.

    <P ALIGN="CENTER">

    <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Interested in an...</FONT>

    <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Orlando investment
    property...</FONT>

    <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1" FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">
    mail link... </FONT>

    Remove all the old html formatting from your site by highlighting text on
    pages, hit the Clear button on text properties box. Go into Style View and
    create CSS rules for paragraphs, links, H1, h2, h3, etc... Republish entire
    site.

    One CSS statement is all it takes to format paragraphs sitewide.

    p {font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Sans-serif;
    color: #FF0000;
    font-size: 1em;}

    After you switch to CSS, you'll probably see an improvement in NOF's
    performance on this nod file, too.

    Let us know how you come out on this.


    --
    Nancy O.
    Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    www.alt-web.com



  3. #13
    Roger H
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    Hi Nancy,
    I just waited eight minutes for the damn site to even open! I then
    highlighted the text on the home page and pressed clear, which sent the text
    haywire into different formatting different sizes and colors. Nor can I find
    anything in the user guide which tells me what the Clear button is supposed
    to do?
    I'm afraid I'm out of my depth with the rest of what you recommend. I don't
    have much knowledge of HTML or CSS, and I thought this was the idea of NOF -
    it wrote the stuff for you. Personally, I think it has become more and more
    complicated and they are trying to make it into a Dreamweaver or similar
    programme, but introducing all sorts of gismos, which most people who use
    this type of programme don't understand.
    I read somewhere in the book that if a site became too large you should
    split it into two. Could you tell me how this is done. I have already
    deleted about 3 mb of files which I can manage without, but it hasn't made
    much difference. It still takes five minutes to do a simple page local
    publish, so I can't live with that.
    ROGER.

    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
    news:gmcn9q$rtl1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > If you switch your site output to CSS instead of inline (HTML formatting),
    > your code will be much leaner and lighter than it is now. At the moment,
    > your site contains hundreds of redundant entries like these which are
    > inefficient, bloated and deprecated by today's web standards.
    >
    > <P ALIGN="CENTER">
    >
    > <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    > FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Interested in an...</FONT>
    >
    > <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    > FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Orlando investment
    > property...</FONT>
    >
    > <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1" FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">
    > mail link... </FONT>
    >
    > Remove all the old html formatting from your site by highlighting text on
    > pages, hit the Clear button on text properties box. Go into Style View
    > and
    > create CSS rules for paragraphs, links, H1, h2, h3, etc... Republish
    > entire
    > site.
    >
    > One CSS statement is all it takes to format paragraphs sitewide.
    >
    > p {font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Sans-serif;
    > color: #FF0000;
    > font-size: 1em;}
    >
    > After you switch to CSS, you'll probably see an improvement in NOF's
    > performance on this nod file, too.
    >
    > Let us know how you come out on this.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Nancy O.
    > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    > www.alt-web.com
    >
    >


  4. #14
    Ian
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    Just out of interest - what's it like for speed if you create a new site -
    maybe with 3 or 4 pages and a bit of non (notepad type) formatted text? Does
    it still seem to run as slowly. This could be a process of elimination until
    you find the cause of the dastardly slowness.

    --
    Ian
    1AHost

    Free Web Hosting - PHP & MySQL Hosting
    Resellers and Affiliates Schemes
    www.1ahost.co.uk


    "Roger H" <hughes_roger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    news:gmd6av$n51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
    > Hi Nancy,
    > I just waited eight minutes for the damn site to even open! I then
    > highlighted the text on the home page and pressed clear, which sent the
    > text haywire into different formatting different sizes and colors. Nor can
    > I find anything in the user guide which tells me what the Clear button is
    > supposed to do?
    > I'm afraid I'm out of my depth with the rest of what you recommend. I
    > don't have much knowledge of HTML or CSS, and I thought this was the idea
    > of NOF - it wrote the stuff for you. Personally, I think it has become
    > more and more complicated and they are trying to make it into a
    > Dreamweaver or similar programme, but introducing all sorts of gismos,
    > which most people who use this type of programme don't understand.
    > I read somewhere in the book that if a site became too large you should
    > split it into two. Could you tell me how this is done. I have already
    > deleted about 3 mb of files which I can manage without, but it hasn't made
    > much difference. It still takes five minutes to do a simple page local
    > publish, so I can't live with that.
    > ROGER.
    >
    > "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
    > news:gmcn9q$rtl1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >> If you switch your site output to CSS instead of inline (HTML
    >> formatting),
    >> your code will be much leaner and lighter than it is now. At the moment,
    >> your site contains hundreds of redundant entries like these which are
    >> inefficient, bloated and deprecated by today's web standards.
    >>
    >> <P ALIGN="CENTER">
    >>
    >> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Interested in an...</FONT>
    >>
    >> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Orlando investment
    >> property...</FONT>
    >>
    >> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1" FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">
    >> mail link... </FONT>
    >>
    >> Remove all the old html formatting from your site by highlighting text on
    >> pages, hit the Clear button on text properties box. Go into Style View
    >> and
    >> create CSS rules for paragraphs, links, H1, h2, h3, etc... Republish
    >> entire
    >> site.
    >>
    >> One CSS statement is all it takes to format paragraphs sitewide.
    >>
    >> p {font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Sans-serif;
    >> color: #FF0000;
    >> font-size: 1em;}
    >>
    >> After you switch to CSS, you'll probably see an improvement in NOF's
    >> performance on this nod file, too.
    >>
    >> Let us know how you come out on this.
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> Nancy O.
    >> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    >> www.alt-web.com
    >>
    >>




  5. #15
    Roger H
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    Firstly, I want to thank you guys for your attention on this one. Iíve
    sorted many of the problems I have had with NOF over the years, but I donít
    know much about HTML or CSS, and this one has me beat. I agree with Ian, it
    needs to be a process of elimination, but that takes time. I have a few
    other sites and the next biggest is 13.4 MB and it works perfectly, just
    like I have always experienced with NOF. By the way Nancy, that site is
    outputted in CSS Ė donít ask me why, I guess I must have just built it with
    the CSS output set, instead of HTML. My smaller sites are also fast. So is
    this particular site too big at 30 MB, or too big for my computer? What
    would be a ďlargeĒ site in NOF? I read somewhere that as they get bigger
    they need to be split up? Maybe this would be the answer, but I donít know
    how to work two .nod files into one site.

    "Ian" <ianh@1ahost.co.uk> wrote in message
    news:gmd90p$n55@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
    > Just out of interest - what's it like for speed if you create a new site -
    > maybe with 3 or 4 pages and a bit of non (notepad type) formatted text?
    > Does it still seem to run as slowly. This could be a process of
    > elimination until you find the cause of the dastardly slowness.
    >
    > --
    > Ian
    > 1AHost
    >
    > Free Web Hosting - PHP & MySQL Hosting
    > Resellers and Affiliates Schemes
    > www.1ahost.co.uk
    >
    >
    > "Roger H" <hughes_roger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:gmd6av$n51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
    >> Hi Nancy,
    >> I just waited eight minutes for the damn site to even open! I then
    >> highlighted the text on the home page and pressed clear, which sent the
    >> text haywire into different formatting different sizes and colors. Nor
    >> can I find anything in the user guide which tells me what the Clear
    >> button is supposed to do?
    >> I'm afraid I'm out of my depth with the rest of what you recommend. I
    >> don't have much knowledge of HTML or CSS, and I thought this was the idea
    >> of NOF - it wrote the stuff for you. Personally, I think it has become
    >> more and more complicated and they are trying to make it into a
    >> Dreamweaver or similar programme, but introducing all sorts of gismos,
    >> which most people who use this type of programme don't understand.
    >> I read somewhere in the book that if a site became too large you should
    >> split it into two. Could you tell me how this is done. I have already
    >> deleted about 3 mb of files which I can manage without, but it hasn't
    >> made much difference. It still takes five minutes to do a simple page
    >> local publish, so I can't live with that.
    >> ROGER.
    >>
    >> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
    >> news:gmcn9q$rtl1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>> If you switch your site output to CSS instead of inline (HTML
    >>> formatting),
    >>> your code will be much leaner and lighter than it is now. At the
    >>> moment,
    >>> your site contains hundreds of redundant entries like these which are
    >>> inefficient, bloated and deprecated by today's web standards.
    >>>
    >>> <P ALIGN="CENTER">
    >>>
    >>> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >>> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Interested in an...</FONT>
    >>>
    >>> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >>> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Orlando investment
    >>> property...</FONT>
    >>>
    >>> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >>> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">
    >>> mail link... </FONT>
    >>>
    >>> Remove all the old html formatting from your site by highlighting text
    >>> on
    >>> pages, hit the Clear button on text properties box. Go into Style View
    >>> and
    >>> create CSS rules for paragraphs, links, H1, h2, h3, etc... Republish
    >>> entire
    >>> site.
    >>>
    >>> One CSS statement is all it takes to format paragraphs sitewide.
    >>>
    >>> p {font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Sans-serif;
    >>> color: #FF0000;
    >>> font-size: 1em;}
    >>>
    >>> After you switch to CSS, you'll probably see an improvement in NOF's
    >>> performance on this nod file, too.
    >>>
    >>> Let us know how you come out on this.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Nancy O.
    >>> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    >>> www.alt-web.com
    >>>
    >>>

    >
    >


  6. #16
    Keith
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    Roger,

    I've been using NOF since the beginning as a full-time website designer
    and I've never exceeded 6MB. I am very careful to minimize the file size
    of all images and seldom copy and paste anything (I looked at yours and
    it seems that you do the same with images). NOF is much better these
    days as regards nod size. You may remember that when things went wrong
    with v2 and v4, the nod used to bloat up like a dead pig and you knew
    you had bad news ahead. I think your computer and NOF are not happy
    with the 30MB nod. You won't like my next suggestion, but I've done it
    on a few occasions myself ... start over! Purge what you can from the
    design, keep it simple, copy and paste from old to new through NOTEPAD
    or some other editor. There's also a good chance that there's a flaw in
    your nod file. Starting over with a fresh nod may be the only way to
    cure it. By the way, you probably know the site like the back of your
    hand ... it likely won't take as long to re-create as it will be to
    fight it.

    Keith


    Roger H wrote:
    > Firstly, I want to thank you guys for your attention on this one. Iíve
    > sorted many of the problems I have had with NOF over the years, but I
    > donít know much about HTML or CSS, and this one has me beat. I agree
    > with Ian, it needs to be a process of elimination, but that takes time.
    > I have a few other sites and the next biggest is 13.4 MB and it works
    > perfectly, just like I have always experienced with NOF. By the way
    > Nancy, that site is outputted in CSS Ė donít ask me why, I guess I must
    > have just built it with the CSS output set, instead of HTML. My smaller
    > sites are also fast. So is this particular site too big at 30 MB, or too
    > big for my computer? What would be a ďlargeĒ site in NOF? I read
    > somewhere that as they get bigger they need to be split up? Maybe this
    > would be the answer, but I donít know how to work two .nod files into
    > one site.
    >
    > "Ian" <ianh@1ahost.co.uk> wrote in message
    > news:gmd90p$n55@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
    >> Just out of interest - what's it like for speed if you create a new
    >> site - maybe with 3 or 4 pages and a bit of non (notepad type)
    >> formatted text? Does it still seem to run as slowly. This could be a
    >> process of elimination until you find the cause of the dastardly
    >> slowness.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Ian
    >> 1AHost
    >>
    >> Free Web Hosting - PHP & MySQL Hosting
    >> Resellers and Affiliates Schemes
    >> www.1ahost.co.uk
    >>
    >>
    >> "Roger H" <hughes_roger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:gmd6av$n51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
    >>> Hi Nancy,
    >>> I just waited eight minutes for the damn site to even open! I then
    >>> highlighted the text on the home page and pressed clear, which sent
    >>> the text haywire into different formatting different sizes and
    >>> colors. Nor can I find anything in the user guide which tells me what
    >>> the Clear button is supposed to do?
    >>> I'm afraid I'm out of my depth with the rest of what you recommend. I
    >>> don't have much knowledge of HTML or CSS, and I thought this was the
    >>> idea of NOF - it wrote the stuff for you. Personally, I think it has
    >>> become more and more complicated and they are trying to make it into
    >>> a Dreamweaver or similar programme, but introducing all sorts of
    >>> gismos, which most people who use this type of programme don't
    >>> understand.
    >>> I read somewhere in the book that if a site became too large you
    >>> should split it into two. Could you tell me how this is done. I have
    >>> already deleted about 3 mb of files which I can manage without, but
    >>> it hasn't made much difference. It still takes five minutes to do a
    >>> simple page local publish, so I can't live with that.
    >>> ROGER.
    >>>
    >>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
    >>> news:gmcn9q$rtl1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>> If you switch your site output to CSS instead of inline (HTML
    >>>> formatting),
    >>>> your code will be much leaner and lighter than it is now. At the
    >>>> moment,
    >>>> your site contains hundreds of redundant entries like these which are
    >>>> inefficient, bloated and deprecated by today's web standards.
    >>>>
    >>>> <P ALIGN="CENTER">
    >>>>
    >>>> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >>>> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Interested in an...</FONT>
    >>>>
    >>>> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >>>> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Orlando investment
    >>>> property...</FONT>
    >>>>
    >>>> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >>>> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">
    >>>> mail link... </FONT>
    >>>>
    >>>> Remove all the old html formatting from your site by highlighting
    >>>> text on
    >>>> pages, hit the Clear button on text properties box. Go into Style
    >>>> View and
    >>>> create CSS rules for paragraphs, links, H1, h2, h3, etc...
    >>>> Republish entire
    >>>> site.
    >>>>
    >>>> One CSS statement is all it takes to format paragraphs sitewide.
    >>>>
    >>>> p {font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Sans-serif;
    >>>> color: #FF0000;
    >>>> font-size: 1em;}
    >>>>
    >>>> After you switch to CSS, you'll probably see an improvement in NOF's
    >>>> performance on this nod file, too.
    >>>>
    >>>> Let us know how you come out on this.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Nancy O.
    >>>> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    >>>> www.alt-web.com
    >>>>
    >>>>

    >>
    >>


  7. #17
    Roger H
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    Thanks Keith, thatís daunting, but interesting. Iíve already downsized it as
    best I can, to about 28MB. My main skill is photography, not web writing,
    (as you will have gathered). The site consists of some 80 virtual tour .jpgs
    of houses, about 150kb each, plus a ton of still photos which I keep small,
    between 6 to 25 kb each, but they add up. There are 109 pages in total.
    I guess I could start a new .nod file and do it bit by bit, but it would be
    disappointing if after all that it didnít make much improvement. What do you
    think are the chances?
    ROGER.


    "Keith" <kcolgan@softcom.net> wrote in message
    news:gmdlu2$1q94@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > Roger,
    >
    > I've been using NOF since the beginning as a full-time website designer
    > and I've never exceeded 6MB. I am very careful to minimize the file size
    > of all images and seldom copy and paste anything (I looked at yours and it
    > seems that you do the same with images). NOF is much better these days as
    > regards nod size. You may remember that when things went wrong with v2
    > and v4, the nod used to bloat up like a dead pig and you knew you had bad
    > news ahead. I think your computer and NOF are not happy with the 30MB
    > nod. You won't like my next suggestion, but I've done it on a few
    > occasions myself ... start over! Purge what you can from the design, keep
    > it simple, copy and paste from old to new through NOTEPAD or some other
    > editor. There's also a good chance that there's a flaw in your nod file.
    > Starting over with a fresh nod may be the only way to cure it. By the
    > way, you probably know the site like the back of your hand ... it likely
    > won't take as long to re-create as it will be to fight it.
    >
    > Keith
    >
    >
    > Roger H wrote:
    >> Firstly, I want to thank you guys for your attention on this one. Iíve
    >> sorted many of the problems I have had with NOF over the years, but I donít
    >> know much about HTML or CSS, and this one has me beat. I agree with Ian,
    >> it needs to be a process of elimination, but that takes time. I have a
    >> few other sites and the next biggest is 13.4 MB and it works perfectly,
    >> just like I have always experienced with NOF. By the way Nancy, that site
    >> is outputted in CSS Ė donít ask me why, I guess I must have just built it
    >> with the CSS output set, instead of HTML. My smaller sites are also fast.
    >> So is this particular site too big at 30 MB, or too big for my computer?
    >> What would be a ďlargeĒ site in NOF? I read somewhere that as they get
    >> bigger they need to be split up? Maybe this would be the answer, but I
    >> donít know how to work two .nod files into one site.
    >>
    >> "Ian" <ianh@1ahost.co.uk> wrote in message
    >> news:gmd90p$n55@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
    >>> Just out of interest - what's it like for speed if you create a new
    >>> site - maybe with 3 or 4 pages and a bit of non (notepad type) formatted
    >>> text? Does it still seem to run as slowly. This could be a process of
    >>> elimination until you find the cause of the dastardly slowness.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Ian
    >>> 1AHost
    >>>
    >>> Free Web Hosting - PHP & MySQL Hosting
    >>> Resellers and Affiliates Schemes
    >>> www.1ahost.co.uk
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> "Roger H" <hughes_roger@hotmail.com> wrote in message
    >>> news:gmd6av$n51@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com...
    >>>> Hi Nancy,
    >>>> I just waited eight minutes for the damn site to even open! I then
    >>>> highlighted the text on the home page and pressed clear, which sent the
    >>>> text haywire into different formatting different sizes and colors. Nor
    >>>> can I find anything in the user guide which tells me what the Clear
    >>>> button is supposed to do?
    >>>> I'm afraid I'm out of my depth with the rest of what you recommend. I
    >>>> don't have much knowledge of HTML or CSS, and I thought this was the
    >>>> idea of NOF - it wrote the stuff for you. Personally, I think it has
    >>>> become more and more complicated and they are trying to make it into a
    >>>> Dreamweaver or similar programme, but introducing all sorts of gismos,
    >>>> which most people who use this type of programme don't understand.
    >>>> I read somewhere in the book that if a site became too large you should
    >>>> split it into two. Could you tell me how this is done. I have already
    >>>> deleted about 3 mb of files which I can manage without, but it hasn't
    >>>> made much difference. It still takes five minutes to do a simple page
    >>>> local publish, so I can't live with that.
    >>>> ROGER.
    >>>>
    >>>> "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
    >>>> news:gmcn9q$rtl1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    >>>>> If you switch your site output to CSS instead of inline (HTML
    >>>>> formatting),
    >>>>> your code will be much leaner and lighter than it is now. At the
    >>>>> moment,
    >>>>> your site contains hundreds of redundant entries like these which are
    >>>>> inefficient, bloated and deprecated by today's web standards.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> <P ALIGN="CENTER">
    >>>>>
    >>>>> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >>>>> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Interested in an...</FONT>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >>>>> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">Orlando investment
    >>>>> property...</FONT>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> <FONT COLOR="#FF0000" SIZE="+1"
    >>>>> FACE="Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Sans-serif">
    >>>>> mail link... </FONT>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Remove all the old html formatting from your site by highlighting text
    >>>>> on
    >>>>> pages, hit the Clear button on text properties box. Go into Style
    >>>>> View and
    >>>>> create CSS rules for paragraphs, links, H1, h2, h3, etc... Republish
    >>>>> entire
    >>>>> site.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> One CSS statement is all it takes to format paragraphs sitewide.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> p {font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Sans-serif;
    >>>>> color: #FF0000;
    >>>>> font-size: 1em;}
    >>>>>
    >>>>> After you switch to CSS, you'll probably see an improvement in NOF's
    >>>>> performance on this nod file, too.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Let us know how you come out on this.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> --
    >>>>> Nancy O.
    >>>>> Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    >>>>> www.alt-web.com
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>
    >>>


  8. #18
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    I agree with Keith. It's time for a fresh re-build and while you're at it,
    give some thought to how you could best split the site into two nods. Maybe
    you could put the virtual tours into one file, and have the other site pages
    in your main nod. It isn't so much the number of pages, but the quantity of
    inline formatting on those pages plus the assets (images, links, etc..). NOF
    is being asked to manage more than it can handle, that's why your site is
    slow.

    Consumer software has its limits. Half the battle for me with NOF was
    learning to work within those limits. CSS is very easy to implement using
    the CSS editor or panel. Actually its much easier to style your site with
    CSS than it is to manually highlight and format individual strings of text
    across 109 pages. Don't give up on CSS until you've given it a try.


    --
    Nancy O.
    Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    www.alt-web.com



  9. #19
    Roger H
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    Nancy and Keith:
    OK, if you two think this is the way to go I guess I better buckle up and
    get on with it. I'm happy to give CSS a go but were do I learn? I assume
    it's not just a question of putting CSS in the text formatting of the site
    options. What else should I be doing. Also Keith mentioned when I transfer
    text I should do it through Notepad; could you just explain the procedure
    please. I certainly don't want to import any bad stuff into the new site. As
    regards splitting: I can easily decide what to put in one .nod or the other,
    but how do you link them together to make one site?
    Just to add fuel to the fire, the site has gone down because I forgot to
    re-register the domain for another year. I should be back tomorrow.

    "Nancy O" <nancyoshea1@NOSPAMatt.net> wrote in message
    news:gmf3iv$7io1@flsun90netnews01.netobjects.com.. .
    > I agree with Keith. It's time for a fresh re-build and while you're at
    > it,
    > give some thought to how you could best split the site into two nods.
    > Maybe
    > you could put the virtual tours into one file, and have the other site
    > pages
    > in your main nod. It isn't so much the number of pages, but the quantity
    > of
    > inline formatting on those pages plus the assets (images, links, etc..).
    > NOF
    > is being asked to manage more than it can handle, that's why your site is
    > slow.
    >
    > Consumer software has its limits. Half the battle for me with NOF was
    > learning to work within those limits. CSS is very easy to implement
    > using
    > the CSS editor or panel. Actually its much easier to style your site with
    > CSS than it is to manually highlight and format individual strings of text
    > across 109 pages. Don't give up on CSS until you've given it a try.
    >
    >
    > --
    > Nancy O.
    > Alt-Web Design & Publishing
    > www.alt-web.com
    >
    >


  10. #20
    Nancy O
    Guest

    Default Re: really slow site.

    <I forgot to re-register the domain for another year. I should be back
    tomorrow.>

    For your sake, I hope a squatter hasn't grabbed it.

    <I'm happy to give CSS a go but were do I learn?>

    Start here: http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp
    and here: http://www.westciv.com/
    When you use Style View to set up your global site styles, NOF writes the
    majority of CSS code for you.

    <Also Keith mentioned when I transfer text I should do it through Notepad;
    could you just explain the procedure please. >

    In NOF Design View > Paste > Special > Unformatted Text. Set this as your
    default paste setting and you should be fine. Alternatively, paste into a
    text only editor like Notepad first to strip out the formatting. Then copy
    & paste from Notepad into NOF. It's an extra step which I hardly ever use
    anymore.

    <I can easily decide what to put in one .nod or the other, but how do you
    link them together to make one site?>

    Your nod files will need to contain both internal and external links.

    Examples
    --------------
    internal link: ../html/about_us.html
    external link: http://yoursite.com/vitrual_tours.html


    --
    Nancy O.
    www.alt-web.com/Tutorials/
    NOF Tips & Tutorials




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