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  1. #1
    jeff
    Guest

    Default that didn't take long to break.

    Bought and installed the product.
    Opened it up for the first time, clicked on "Blank Site". It then prompts me to
    save it, so I type in a name and then click save. I am now in a loop where it
    won't accept any name I get my new blank site. No error message, just back to
    the save dialog.

    Ok, so that didn't work, so then I try "Open from Template" - and select
    AutoSites/Blank Site/Blank Site.zip. Same thing happens.

    Then I try "Site Wizard" just to let me play with some of the new features. When
    it came to the point where it asks to save the .nod, the same thing happens. No
    matter what name I attempt to give it, nothing will save and my only open is to
    click "Cancel" on the save dialog.

    Finally got a few pages going so that I can look at the new stuff. And what is
    the name of the file? .nod Yep, that's right, no name before the extension but
    that must be the best that it can do.

    Ok, so far, not so good.
    Now I try to open up one of my old sites that I created in NOF 8. It makes a
    copy of the ntf file but with each site that I open, I am greeted with the same
    error messages when I try to open up any page: Damage objects have been found on
    the page and have been deleted. OK

    So, lets play with nPower.
    Open it up and with the exception of some simple yet pretty graphics, it's
    pretty much tabula rasa. Everything on the first screen is just a link to either
    a pdf or a movie. Guess it will take a bit of time for me to read and watch the
    pdf/movies before getting any further than that - not what I hoped for. I was
    hoping that it would be a simple and easy to use program that I can give to
    someone with little computer skills to keep a web site updated that I've been
    trying to pass off for years. Intuitive? Hardly when it is going to take some
    reading from a professional geek to figure out. Sure, now once I understand it,
    I get to explain it to someone who doesn't work with computers for a living;
    great - can't wait.

    So far, I'm not impressed. Guess it's more Dreamweaver/VS.NET/EditPlus in my
    future.

    As those who have been around for a while will note that before I have always
    had little quips about NOF but at least the older versions did the job for which
    it was intended. This thing I can't even get started with. Dusting off my
    crystal ball: NOF 9 - the last and final NetObject ever produced. This has to be
    the shoddiest product that I have ever had the embarrassment of paying money
    for.

  2. #2
    Chuck «BeyondFusion»
    Guest

    Default Re: that didn't take long to break.

    Doesn't occur to you that this problem you're having could have been caused
    by you, eh?

    You never know.

    Why don't you uninstall and then re-install...making sure you allow all
    setup windows to close on their own.

    Before you do, rename the original install folder you used. Install fresh to
    a new folder.

    A bunch of us have been working with 9 and no one has ever reported such an
    experience as yours.

    Something as bizarre as this...... have you considered an exorcist?

    --
    Chuck Joslin - Team NetObjects
    BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    www.beyondfusion.com

    Fusion Wish List - www.beyondfusion.com/wish
    Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com

    "jeff" <jeff.turbofish@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:dl32d5$rnm7@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Bought and installed the product.
    > Opened it up for the first time, clicked on "Blank Site". It then prompts
    > me to
    > save it, so I type in a name and then click save. I am now in a loop where
    > it
    > won't accept any name I get my new blank site. No error message, just back
    > to
    > the save dialog.
    >
    > Ok, so that didn't work, so then I try "Open from Template" - and select
    > AutoSites/Blank Site/Blank Site.zip. Same thing happens.
    >
    > Then I try "Site Wizard" just to let me play with some of the new
    > features. When
    > it came to the point where it asks to save the .nod, the same thing
    > happens. No
    > matter what name I attempt to give it, nothing will save and my only open
    > is to
    > click "Cancel" on the save dialog.
    >
    > Finally got a few pages going so that I can look at the new stuff. And
    > what is
    > the name of the file? .nod Yep, that's right, no name before the extension
    > but
    > that must be the best that it can do.
    >
    > Ok, so far, not so good.
    > Now I try to open up one of my old sites that I created in NOF 8. It makes
    > a
    > copy of the ntf file but with each site that I open, I am greeted with the
    > same
    > error messages when I try to open up any page: Damage objects have been
    > found on
    > the page and have been deleted. OK
    >
    > So, lets play with nPower.
    > Open it up and with the exception of some simple yet pretty graphics, it's
    > pretty much tabula rasa. Everything on the first screen is just a link to
    > either
    > a pdf or a movie. Guess it will take a bit of time for me to read and
    > watch the
    > pdf/movies before getting any further than that - not what I hoped for. I
    > was
    > hoping that it would be a simple and easy to use program that I can give
    > to
    > someone with little computer skills to keep a web site updated that I've
    > been
    > trying to pass off for years. Intuitive? Hardly when it is going to take
    > some
    > reading from a professional geek to figure out. Sure, now once I
    > understand it,
    > I get to explain it to someone who doesn't work with computers for a
    > living;
    > great - can't wait.
    >
    > So far, I'm not impressed. Guess it's more Dreamweaver/VS.NET/EditPlus in
    > my
    > future.
    >
    > As those who have been around for a while will note that before I have
    > always
    > had little quips about NOF but at least the older versions did the job for
    > which
    > it was intended. This thing I can't even get started with. Dusting off my
    > crystal ball: NOF 9 - the last and final NetObject ever produced. This has
    > to be
    > the shoddiest product that I have ever had the embarrassment of paying
    > money
    > for.




  3. #3
    Bill Patterson
    Guest

    Default Re: that didn't take long to break.

    Could it even be that something else was running during the install. I
    found with winxp pro that going into services and shutting down virus
    protection that now has spam guards etc. is very important. Some of those
    protection tools protect too much and cripple the good apps.
    Been there done that and I learned my lesson. Even to the point of having
    to load some software while in safe mode. That REALLY makes sure nothing is
    running

    Cheers
    "Chuck «BeyondFusion»" <chuck@beyond-nospam-fusion.com> wrote in message
    news:dl33fd$ro015@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Doesn't occur to you that this problem you're having could have been

    caused
    > by you, eh?
    >
    > You never know.
    >
    > Why don't you uninstall and then re-install...making sure you allow all
    > setup windows to close on their own.
    >
    > Before you do, rename the original install folder you used. Install fresh

    to
    > a new folder.
    >
    > A bunch of us have been working with 9 and no one has ever reported such

    an
    > experience as yours.
    >
    > Something as bizarre as this...... have you considered an exorcist?
    >
    > --
    > Chuck Joslin - Team NetObjects
    > BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    > www.beyondfusion.com
    >
    > Fusion Wish List - www.beyondfusion.com/wish
    > Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com
    >
    > "jeff" <jeff.turbofish@gmail.com> wrote in message
    > news:dl32d5$rnm7@news01.netobjects.com...
    > > Bought and installed the product.
    > > Opened it up for the first time, clicked on "Blank Site". It then

    prompts
    > > me to
    > > save it, so I type in a name and then click save. I am now in a loop

    where
    > > it
    > > won't accept any name I get my new blank site. No error message, just

    back
    > > to
    > > the save dialog.
    > >
    > > Ok, so that didn't work, so then I try "Open from Template" - and select
    > > AutoSites/Blank Site/Blank Site.zip. Same thing happens.
    > >
    > > Then I try "Site Wizard" just to let me play with some of the new
    > > features. When
    > > it came to the point where it asks to save the .nod, the same thing
    > > happens. No
    > > matter what name I attempt to give it, nothing will save and my only

    open
    > > is to
    > > click "Cancel" on the save dialog.
    > >
    > > Finally got a few pages going so that I can look at the new stuff. And
    > > what is
    > > the name of the file? .nod Yep, that's right, no name before the

    extension
    > > but
    > > that must be the best that it can do.
    > >
    > > Ok, so far, not so good.
    > > Now I try to open up one of my old sites that I created in NOF 8. It

    makes
    > > a
    > > copy of the ntf file but with each site that I open, I am greeted with

    the
    > > same
    > > error messages when I try to open up any page: Damage objects have been
    > > found on
    > > the page and have been deleted. OK
    > >
    > > So, lets play with nPower.
    > > Open it up and with the exception of some simple yet pretty graphics,

    it's
    > > pretty much tabula rasa. Everything on the first screen is just a link

    to
    > > either
    > > a pdf or a movie. Guess it will take a bit of time for me to read and
    > > watch the
    > > pdf/movies before getting any further than that - not what I hoped for.

    I
    > > was
    > > hoping that it would be a simple and easy to use program that I can give
    > > to
    > > someone with little computer skills to keep a web site updated that I've
    > > been
    > > trying to pass off for years. Intuitive? Hardly when it is going to take
    > > some
    > > reading from a professional geek to figure out. Sure, now once I
    > > understand it,
    > > I get to explain it to someone who doesn't work with computers for a
    > > living;
    > > great - can't wait.
    > >
    > > So far, I'm not impressed. Guess it's more Dreamweaver/VS.NET/EditPlus

    in
    > > my
    > > future.
    > >
    > > As those who have been around for a while will note that before I have
    > > always
    > > had little quips about NOF but at least the older versions did the job

    for
    > > which
    > > it was intended. This thing I can't even get started with. Dusting off

    my
    > > crystal ball: NOF 9 - the last and final NetObject ever produced. This

    has
    > > to be
    > > the shoddiest product that I have ever had the embarrassment of paying
    > > money
    > > for.

    >
    >




  4. #4
    Chuck «BeyondFusion»
    Guest

    Default Re: that didn't take long to break.

    Very true. It's something.....but it isn't Fusion 9.

    --
    Chuck Joslin - Team NetObjects
    BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    www.beyondfusion.com

    Fusion Wish List - www.beyondfusion.com/wish
    Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com

    "Bill Patterson" <webmaster@wwmgmt.com> wrote in message
    news:dl39l3$rqh3@news01.netobjects.com...
    > Could it even be that something else was running during the install. I
    > found with winxp pro that going into services and shutting down virus
    > protection that now has spam guards etc. is very important. Some of
    > those
    > protection tools protect too much and cripple the good apps.
    > Been there done that and I learned my lesson. Even to the point of having
    > to load some software while in safe mode. That REALLY makes sure nothing
    > is
    > running
    >
    > Cheers
    > "Chuck «BeyondFusion»" <chuck@beyond-nospam-fusion.com> wrote in message
    > news:dl33fd$ro015@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> Doesn't occur to you that this problem you're having could have been

    > caused
    >> by you, eh?
    >>
    >> You never know.
    >>
    >> Why don't you uninstall and then re-install...making sure you allow all
    >> setup windows to close on their own.
    >>
    >> Before you do, rename the original install folder you used. Install fresh

    > to
    >> a new folder.
    >>
    >> A bunch of us have been working with 9 and no one has ever reported such

    > an
    >> experience as yours.
    >>
    >> Something as bizarre as this...... have you considered an exorcist?
    >>
    >> --
    >> Chuck Joslin - Team NetObjects
    >> BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    >> www.beyondfusion.com
    >>
    >> Fusion Wish List - www.beyondfusion.com/wish
    >> Register domain names at www.awavedomains.com
    >>
    >> "jeff" <jeff.turbofish@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >> news:dl32d5$rnm7@news01.netobjects.com...
    >> > Bought and installed the product.
    >> > Opened it up for the first time, clicked on "Blank Site". It then

    > prompts
    >> > me to
    >> > save it, so I type in a name and then click save. I am now in a loop

    > where
    >> > it
    >> > won't accept any name I get my new blank site. No error message, just

    > back
    >> > to
    >> > the save dialog.
    >> >
    >> > Ok, so that didn't work, so then I try "Open from Template" - and
    >> > select
    >> > AutoSites/Blank Site/Blank Site.zip. Same thing happens.
    >> >
    >> > Then I try "Site Wizard" just to let me play with some of the new
    >> > features. When
    >> > it came to the point where it asks to save the .nod, the same thing
    >> > happens. No
    >> > matter what name I attempt to give it, nothing will save and my only

    > open
    >> > is to
    >> > click "Cancel" on the save dialog.
    >> >
    >> > Finally got a few pages going so that I can look at the new stuff. And
    >> > what is
    >> > the name of the file? .nod Yep, that's right, no name before the

    > extension
    >> > but
    >> > that must be the best that it can do.
    >> >
    >> > Ok, so far, not so good.
    >> > Now I try to open up one of my old sites that I created in NOF 8. It

    > makes
    >> > a
    >> > copy of the ntf file but with each site that I open, I am greeted with

    > the
    >> > same
    >> > error messages when I try to open up any page: Damage objects have been
    >> > found on
    >> > the page and have been deleted. OK
    >> >
    >> > So, lets play with nPower.
    >> > Open it up and with the exception of some simple yet pretty graphics,

    > it's
    >> > pretty much tabula rasa. Everything on the first screen is just a link

    > to
    >> > either
    >> > a pdf or a movie. Guess it will take a bit of time for me to read and
    >> > watch the
    >> > pdf/movies before getting any further than that - not what I hoped for.

    > I
    >> > was
    >> > hoping that it would be a simple and easy to use program that I can
    >> > give
    >> > to
    >> > someone with little computer skills to keep a web site updated that
    >> > I've
    >> > been
    >> > trying to pass off for years. Intuitive? Hardly when it is going to
    >> > take
    >> > some
    >> > reading from a professional geek to figure out. Sure, now once I
    >> > understand it,
    >> > I get to explain it to someone who doesn't work with computers for a
    >> > living;
    >> > great - can't wait.
    >> >
    >> > So far, I'm not impressed. Guess it's more Dreamweaver/VS.NET/EditPlus

    > in
    >> > my
    >> > future.
    >> >
    >> > As those who have been around for a while will note that before I have
    >> > always
    >> > had little quips about NOF but at least the older versions did the job

    > for
    >> > which
    >> > it was intended. This thing I can't even get started with. Dusting off

    > my
    >> > crystal ball: NOF 9 - the last and final NetObject ever produced. This

    > has
    >> > to be
    >> > the shoddiest product that I have ever had the embarrassment of paying
    >> > money
    >> > for.

    >>
    >>

    >
    >




  5. #5
    jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: that didn't take long to break.

    On 11/11/2005 5:42:51 PM, "Chuck «BeyondFusion»" wrote:
    >Very true. It's something.....but it isn't Fusion 9.
    >
    >--
    >Chuck Joslin - Team NetObjects
    >BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    >www.beyondfusion.com
    >


    Yeah, right.

    Just finished uninstalling it, rename the folder, shutting down all other
    software including my MySQL/MS-SQL server, AntiVirus, firewall,...
    Then I reinstalled NOF 9.
    Rebooted
    Opened up NOF 9 and guess what? Nothing changed - same issues.

    Could it be hardware?
    The two machines are nothing like each other. The ONLY things that are the same
    hardware wise is dual monitor support [I run two monitors].

    Could it be some other software running on my machines?
    Well, both are running a lot of the same types of software but do run different
    firewalls/antivirus software. Yes, both machines I use for development so I do
    have a lot of development related software installed such as Dreamweaver,
    VS.NET, VFP 9, MySql and MS-SQL developers editions but I don't have a problem
    with anything else not working.

    Could it be the OS?
    XP Pro running on a domain and Windows Media Edition 2005 not running on a
    domain. Yes, I know that WME is pretty much XP Pro without domain support but
    with extra added goodies. I do have some W2K Pro/Server, 2003 boxes I could try
    but I can't really seeing this to be a problem with the OS.

    Could it be a problem with getting the upgrade version instead of the full
    version? That is a possibility. I didn't uninstall version 8

    Could it be an issue with the antiquated WinZIP installation?
    Well, I haven't bought any serious software that still uses it in quite some
    time but I don't think it is an installation issue.

    Could it be a 'user issue'?
    I'm not your typical user. I write software for a living, I develop web
    applications for a living [asp.net mostly with MS-SQL backends running on web
    servers that are in my office and under my control], I am the system
    admin/dba/web-email server admin, anything else that is plugged in admin for
    over 50 users in two states, three cities. I have been developing sites using
    Dreamweaver, NOF, .NET, text editors for years. You would think that I would
    know enough to create and save a file.

    But of course, it couldn't be NOF could it. The first flawless software that has
    ever been developed.

    Developer:
    "But it works on my system"

    Oops, found another bug while attempting to file a problem ticket, if you enter
    a login that it doesn't exist in the system, you will get a 404 error.

    And yet another bug. When you try to create a login to "open a ticket', you will
    get a friendly message: http://www.turbofish.com/nof9-5.gif

    Come on folks, haven't you all heard of Q/A?

  6. #6
    Russell B. Eggen
    Guest

    Default Re: that didn't take long to break.

    Jeff,

    I think the point is that if a developer cannot reproduce a bug, there is no
    fix possible. As a fellow software developer, you should be aware of this.

    The second point is there are some folks here trying to help you figure this
    out. Getting frustrated is one thing, but biting the helping hand?

    --
    Russ Eggen
    www.radfusion.com


    "jeff" <jeff.turbofish@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:dl5egn$s5q5@news01.netobjects.com...

    But of course, it couldn't be NOF could it. The first flawless software that
    has
    ever been developed.

    Developer:
    "But it works on my system"




  7. #7
    Rev. Mike
    Guest

    Default Re: that didn't take long to break.

    Are you logged onto a domain when trying to install?
    Are you logged on as administrator on the domain?
    Are you logged on as Administrator "locally"?

    Sometimes you have to install applications as
    administrator "locally" to get everything registered right.

    After watching your video I would say you have no write
    permissions to the box which means you did not install locally
    as administrator.

    I would try that. Logon as administrator locally
    then add an account for the user at the domain level
    "locally" giving the user power user rights.




    "jeff" <jeff.turbofish@gmail.com> wrote in message
    news:dl5egn$s5q5@news01.netobjects.com...
    > On 11/11/2005 5:42:51 PM, "Chuck «BeyondFusion»" wrote:
    >>Very true. It's something.....but it isn't Fusion 9.
    >>
    >>--
    >>Chuck Joslin - Team NetObjects
    >>BeyondFusion.com - Your Fusion Community
    >>www.beyondfusion.com
    >>

    >
    > Yeah, right.
    >
    > Just finished uninstalling it, rename the folder, shutting down all other
    > software including my MySQL/MS-SQL server, AntiVirus, firewall,...
    > Then I reinstalled NOF 9.
    > Rebooted
    > Opened up NOF 9 and guess what? Nothing changed - same issues.
    >
    > Could it be hardware?
    > The two machines are nothing like each other. The ONLY things that are the
    > same
    > hardware wise is dual monitor support [I run two monitors].
    >
    > Could it be some other software running on my machines?
    > Well, both are running a lot of the same types of software but do run
    > different
    > firewalls/antivirus software. Yes, both machines I use for development so
    > I do
    > have a lot of development related software installed such as Dreamweaver,
    > VS.NET, VFP 9, MySql and MS-SQL developers editions but I don't have a
    > problem
    > with anything else not working.
    >
    > Could it be the OS?
    > XP Pro running on a domain and Windows Media Edition 2005 not running on a
    > domain. Yes, I know that WME is pretty much XP Pro without domain support
    > but
    > with extra added goodies. I do have some W2K Pro/Server, 2003 boxes I
    > could try
    > but I can't really seeing this to be a problem with the OS.
    >
    > Could it be a problem with getting the upgrade version instead of the full
    > version? That is a possibility. I didn't uninstall version 8
    >
    > Could it be an issue with the antiquated WinZIP installation?
    > Well, I haven't bought any serious software that still uses it in quite
    > some
    > time but I don't think it is an installation issue.
    >
    > Could it be a 'user issue'?
    > I'm not your typical user. I write software for a living, I develop web
    > applications for a living [asp.net mostly with MS-SQL backends running on
    > web
    > servers that are in my office and under my control], I am the system
    > admin/dba/web-email server admin, anything else that is plugged in admin
    > for
    > over 50 users in two states, three cities. I have been developing sites
    > using
    > Dreamweaver, NOF, .NET, text editors for years. You would think that I
    > would
    > know enough to create and save a file.
    >
    > But of course, it couldn't be NOF could it. The first flawless software
    > that has
    > ever been developed.
    >
    > Developer:
    > "But it works on my system"
    >
    > Oops, found another bug while attempting to file a problem ticket, if you
    > enter
    > a login that it doesn't exist in the system, you will get a 404 error.
    >
    > And yet another bug. When you try to create a login to "open a ticket',
    > you will
    > get a friendly message: http://www.turbofish.com/nof9-5.gif
    >
    > Come on folks, haven't you all heard of Q/A?




  8. #8
    jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: that didn't take long to break.

    >And yet another bug. When you try to create a login to "open a ticket', you will
    >get a friendly message: http://www.turbofish.com/nof9-5.gif
    >
    >Come on folks, haven't you all heard of Q/A?


    update - this is a problem on netobjects.com site. Same error message.

  9. #9
    jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: that didn't take long to break.

    On 11/11/2005 5:31:55 PM, "Bill Patterson" wrote:
    >Could it even be that something else was running during the install. I
    >found with winxp pro that going into services and shutting down virus
    >protection that now has spam guards etc. is very important. Some of those
    >protection tools protect too much and cripple the good apps.
    >Been there done that and I learned my lesson. Even to the point of having
    >to load some software while in safe mode. That REALLY makes sure nothing is
    >running
    >
    >Cheers


    Two different machines?

    Forgot to mention, one machine on a domain, the other isn't [if you know
    windows, you can figure out which machine that is]

  10. #10
    jeff
    Guest

    Default Re: that didn't take long to break.

    On 11/11/2005 3:46:22 PM, "Chuck «BeyondFusion»" wrote:
    >Doesn't occur to you that this problem you're having could have been caused
    >by you, eh?
    >
    >You never know.
    >

    I just installed it on a totally different machine - same results

    First machine is running XP pro, AMD XP 2400+ chip, 1 GB of ram
    Second machine is running Windows Media edition 2005, Intel 3.2 GB, 2 GB of ram

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