Fusion 9 memory problem!

[sean]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:19:56 +0100, "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote:

>> So I guess what you are saying is essentially: if you EVER anticipate your
>> site may grow beyond 50 or 100 pages, DO NOT USE FUSION from the start or
>> you will end up REDOING IT FROM SCRATCH?
>>
>
>YES, Sean wants us to switch from Fusion to Websmith..... )

No.
I suggest YOU change from NOF to Websmith as an easy solution,

OR

you can keep using Fusion to design your site, but port it to a
database backend.

>
>Why should someone buy Fusion if he knows that´s only up to 100 pages???

who said "only 100 pages"?? Not me.

If you have been a Fusion user since 1.0, you have known for YEARS
that it is recommended to keep your page count below approximately
500.


>
>Didn´t they say it´s a PROFESSIONAL tool??? Well.. a professional website
>could grow over 100 pages... NOT?!! And then we all have to change the
>software??
>
>WOW.. good strategy....

once again, I did NOT say that.
I said to split your existing site into 3 sites, based on language.
That should give you three sites under 500 pages each.

You have to do some work here Marc.
Fusion cannot fix a management problem you have created yourself,
against the recommendations of the program developers and the user
community.

Once you have three sites of less than 500 pages per site, then you
can consider strategies to move forward for the future.

You have outgrown NOF as your primary web development tool.
It is as simple as that.

"You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink"

Sean

[Marc]

> As to NOF being suitable for large sites I see no reason why it should not
> be but there are a number of issues with the stacked page technology {any
> idea if that's been improved in 9} which underpins the gallery and shop
> processes, that any site which makes considerable use of that facility
> would be likely to have issues, irrespective of the number of pages.


by the way, my 1300+ pages site has about 40 galleries for each language,
that´s 120 galleries with 10 to 30 images each. So..
[calculating]... :-)
that´s roughly 2.400 stacked pages....

is this toooo much????

:-))

marc

[sean]

On Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:51:16 -0500, "Jeff" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>"sean" <diggo@westnet.com.au> wrote in message
>news:8mejn150qkrhqc03kij37r307797lpdts3@4ax.com.. .

>
>So I guess what you are saying is essentially: if you EVER anticipate your
>site may grow beyond 50 or 100 pages, DO NOT USE FUSION from the start or
>you will end up REDOING IT FROM SCRATCH?

when, exactly, did I say that??

the limit is approximately 500 pages.
This has been well known for YEARS.
Marc has known this for YEARS.

quit trolling for an argument and suggest something positive which
will get Marc out of long term trouble.

sean

[Marc]

> That means you do NOT have a 1300 page NOF site.
> You have three linked 400+ page NOF sites.
> Those should be within acceptable size limits.

No Sean, read carefullly... :-))

I have 400 pages for each language, packed in 1 nod file = 1400 pages

[sean]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:27:10 +0100, "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote:

>> Actually, I've had sites around 600 pages in Fusion with no issues.
>
>I had this site with 1300 pages with Fusion 7, NO problem, with 7.5, NO
>problem, with MX, NO problem, with 8.0, NO problem!!!!
>
>C`mon!!!!! Just 9 gives me problems??????
>
>Do NOT tell me the site is toooo big... I used ALL Fusion versions with this
>site withOUT any errors!!!!!
>(besides the last one or two updates in v.8).
>
>So.. that can NOT be the point!!!

----------------------------------------------------------
can THIS be the point??: if you are experiencing problems with 9, then
stay with the version that works.
Dont spend time with the new version until you have time to spare.

--------------------------------------------------->
>And for ME, 1300 pages with Fusion is NOT a lot of work, because the site
>has about 400+ pages in each version, I just copy and paste the language
>versions. So, it´s just 400 pages I have to create and I created them since
>Fusion 5.0 !!!
>

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You have not said this before.
That means you do NOT have a 1300 page NOF site.
You have three linked 400+ page NOF sites.
Those should be within acceptable size limits.
Something else is likely the cause of your problem, rather than an
issue purely related to page count (although the number of pages may
still be related in some way to whatever is causing your problem)

sean

[Mark Reed]

"jeff" <jeff.turbofish@gmail.com> wrote in
news:dlfcrd$1r72@news01.netobjects.com:

> It's just a question you would have to ask before working with NOF. As
> I have stated many times before, NOF has it's place, dynamic DB sites
> is not one of them

I have to disagree... NOF is great for developing the shell for housing
your ASP/PHP code and letting it feed that shell. Many people here have
dymanic sites where they used fusion to create the look and feel, then
inserted their own code for the dynamic aspect.

Just a quick example - http://www.paguard.com/content/recruits
not quite as dynamic as some, but it illustrates that nof can be used
nicely in conjunction with your own dynamic code.

While NOF is not a development environment for dynamic DB code, it is great
as an assembly tool for your code.

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[jeff]

On 11/16/2005 6:17:08 AM, "Hugo Snellen" wrote:
>Apperently you have the experience Jeff.
>How have you integreted PHP/MySQL int NOF?
>I am studying on how to attack this way of working.
>TIA
>

Since all of my servers are windows, I program in ASP/ASP.NET w/MS-SQL. I do use
MySQL but not for web stuff. I can not recommend using NOF for dynamic web
sites.

[jeff]

>> Once you get above oh lets say, 50 pages, it's time to start redo your
>> site with
>> MySQL/MS-SQL, PHP/ASP.
>
>If 50 pages is the limit, one might wonder if it's ever a wise idea to start
>most sites with fusion or if it wouldn't be better to start with a tool that
>can scale so you don't have to reformat your first 50 pages of content
>later.
>

It's just a question you would have to ask before working with NOF. As I have
stated many times before, NOF has it's place, dynamic DB sites is not one of
them

[Hugo Snellen]

Apperently you have the experience Jeff.
How have you integreted PHP/MySQL int NOF?
I am studying on how to attack this way of working.
TIA

"jeff" <jeff.turbofish@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
dla1g9$t6h7@news01.netobjects.com...
> On 11/13/2005 7:25:49 AM, "Marc" wrote:
>>Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
>>
>>Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages),
>> <snips>
>
> Once you get above oh lets say, 50 pages, it's time to start redo your
> site with
> MySQL/MS-SQL, PHP/ASP. This is not the fault of NOF, this is the fault of
> the
> developer. A site with 1300 static pages is a mind numbingly bad idea.
> Heck, I
> shutter to think what that would be like to load 1300 pages in my fast
> text
> editor.
>

[Martin Knight]

Hi Marc,

I can sympathize with you. Having your work and business in such a tenuous
position can be very unsettling. From what I have read here it seems to me
your best immediate solution is to roll back to ver 8 and dispense of your
immediate problem. Hopefully you haven't done too much work in ver 9 that
would have to be reproduced in ver 8 and that you kept your ver 8 nod file
and opened a copy in ver 9.

I haven't been using NOF since ver 1 like you but have been since ver 4 and
seem to recall it being mentioned every once in a while that NOF is really a
professional mid size business application. Huge sites of 1500 pages can
make it choke and you have been fortunate up till now. As many have
indicated here, in diverse ways, a database driven website would be easier
all around. However the expense, time and knowledge required may be too much
for you at the moment so put the project aside and get through your busy
season.

Since you have been using NOF for so long I don't think you'll abandon it
just yet and ask for a refund. Hang on for a fix or some amelioration from
NOF as I'm sure they have heard your comments. They don't want to be known
as Toy NOF ( :-)) from any of their customers let alone a dedicated one.

I may not have been of any help other than to say I understand your feeling
of defeat. Most here have probably been there once or twice and should
understand your frustration.

Martin


"Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
news:dldu6o$pa8@news01.netobjects.com...
>> Actually, I've had sites around 600 pages in Fusion with no issues.
>
> I had this site with 1300 pages with Fusion 7, NO problem, with 7.5, NO
> problem, with MX, NO problem, with 8.0, NO problem!!!!
>
> C`mon!!!!! Just 9 gives me problems??????
>
> Do NOT tell me the site is toooo big... I used ALL Fusion versions with
> this site withOUT any errors!!!!!
> (besides the last one or two updates in v.8).
>
> So.. that can NOT be the point!!!
>
> And for ME, 1300 pages with Fusion is NOT a lot of work, because the site
> has about 400+ pages in each version, I just copy and paste the language
> versions. So, it´s just 400 pages I have to create and I created them
> since Fusion 5.0 !!!
>
> marc
>
>
>>
>> Before I started doing dynamic sites. Just about any site that big or
>> bigger can probably be done more efficiently as a dynamic site with PHP
>> or APS or whatever.
>>
>> 1300 static pages is alot for any web design program. Just from a
>> management standpoint.
>>
>> 50 pages in Fusion as a limit? That's absurd.
>>
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>> "Roy Terry" <royterry@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:dldbt3$kg8@news01.netobjects.com...
>>> Ok. I'm ready to get flamed :*)
>>>
>>> I agree with Marc. If I had a site that
>>> worked under NOF8 and
>>>
>>> NOF9 dies with *same site* that is a defect
>>> in my book.
>>>
>>> Any people who say 50 pages is the limit....
>>> If that's appropriate then the product should
>>> be called Net Toy Fusion.
>>>
>>> There I said it.
>>>
>>> Now let's get back to
>>> blaming the victim and worshiping
>>> our choosen tool.
>>>
>>> Flame as much as you want but I
>>> won't be replying
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Roy
>>>
>>>
>>> "Marc" <marc@herms.it> wrote in message
>>> news:dl7en9$spl1@news01.netobjects.com...
>>>> Version 9 sucks!!! It uses ALL my memory resources and blocks my PC!!!
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I have a huge site (1300 pages), but I could at least manage it
>>>> with
>>>> version 8. With the new version, going from page to publish view, it
>>>> takes
>>>> 15 minutes and when I just change the publish settings, clicking on the
>>>> CLOSE button, it takes another 10 minutes!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> A new version should be BETTER than the older one.. NOT??!!
>>>>
>>>> With Fusion, this is apparently NOT the case!!
>>>>
>>>> a pity..
>>>>
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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